Ok,that was your perspective!
Here´s is mine:
I was thinking also that woman cannot have orgasm with anal (because there is no clitoris there).And we were trieing and trieing and than we found a way that i also can have an orgasm.
Simply i am sitting on him while we anal so my clit rubs his stomach and..here we go!
And these days ppl only think how to end up WITH orgasm!Sex is NOT only having orgasm!!!!
With that act you show your partner you love him/her and i don´t see any problem deep throating(respect to thouse who can and swallowing.
It seams you have small problem about domination in bed!?
If you swallow,that doesn´t mean you are "under"him,that just show you want to give your man a pleasure and i don´t see any problem with it!
But maybe your situation is different.Does he give you any pleasure at all???
It is about giving and receiving!
If you only give you may feel like you...."under" him!

Pink Pony, every one has differing views on what's good and what's bad- what they like and what they don't like. Short of BDSM, I don't see where "domination" comes into play. Sure, there are those who prefer to be in control of the act, but I would view that more as pure sex. Not making love, which is a sharing experience.

There are times when I choose to "take control" for the pure purpose of pleasuring my wife with no expectation of returned favor. My wife will sometimes do the same to me. Neither of us views this as being subordinate to the other.

I believe if a woman ENJOYS a sex act, within the confines of the law, there is no justification for criticism. It's quite unfair to characterize them as illicit or tasteless acts, or to infer that a man has beastial and homoerotic fantasies if he and his mate enjoy anal sex.

I've seen things posted in this forum that make my blood boil and others that raise the hairs on my neck because, in my taste, they're disgusting. I simply chose not to "comment" on those posts.

If it's not your cup of tea, that's great. But just as I would not impose judgement on you for your dislike of certain acts, please don't impose judgement on those who enjoy those same acts in the privacy of their relationship.

I'm not trying to scold or come down too hard on you. Just trying to bring another perspective to the topic.

I agree with you wiseman; we are all entitled to enjoy whatever we want, however we want, as long as the people doing it both enjoy it. We don't have to agree with something, or want to do it ourselves to be tolerent of it, and open-minded to others enjoyment of it.

Pink Pony is entitled to her opinion (as we all are) about what she prefers or not, but giving negative and even derogatory labels to people who have different preferences to you is unfair and wrong. We should be tolerant and even grateful for our differences - after all, that's what makes life interesting!

i also thought i would never have anal sex w/ anyone b/c i couldn't imagine that it would be enjoyable to anyone but the guy. ive only done it once and it wasn't as bad as i thought. your right the clit isn't down there but it rarely gets stimulated through vaginal intercourse either. you usually have to do something extra to help it along so thats what we did.
i still am not comfortable w/ letting my b/f cum in my mouth and i can't deepthroat so theres no question there. one thing ive always questioned him about that seems like it would be kind of degrading is the fact he wants to cum on my face. now ive let him cum on my stomach, tits, back, etc and i dont mind that i actually like it but i just cant imagine i would enjoy him cumming on my face or in my eye...lol... not fun.
so like wiseman said its all personal preference some people love anal sex and the taste of cum...others of us do not so we choose not too. you just have to communicate w/ your partner about what you feel comfortable w/ and why some things are more degrading to you than others. like when i talked to my b/f about the cumming on the face thing he said he in no way would think it was degrading on my part and that he would find it extremely sexy. ive still yet to feel comfortable enough to do that. who knows one day i might but as the old saying goes dont knock it till you've tried it

Juse like wiseman said, everyone has their own preferences. I don't think that you should judge anyone for what they like and don't like.
I am the type of person that would try anything, I've tried anal sex and it wasn't for me. Just because someone likes something you don't like, you shouldn't judge them.
When guys go down on a girl, they get the girls juices in his mouth, so what is the problem with a girl doing the same for the guy. It's not a big deal, it doesn't make someone a whore if that is what they do.

[QUOTE=Quote (Pink Pony @ May 02 2003,15:23)]But I still think a woman can go too far in pleasing a man by letting him dominate the bedroom.

And I am rarely "under" him, I love being on top. [/QUOTE]
it's interesting that you seem to think it's ok to "dominate" him! do you see any conflict of ideals here?

also, if you love someone and they love you, no matter what you do, it is about pleasuring each other - not about oneupmanship.

just do what you both enjoy. it is a negative perspective that makes it a negative act, not the act itself!

Enjoy!

In responce to Pony's comments on oral:
Deepthroating is just another way to please us men. Another technique. It's not about dominating over the woman. I mean, most of us men stress out over pleasing the woman. I don't see why you think it's subordination to please a man.
As for swallowing, think of it this way. If a man went down on you, and went he was done, spat, and wiped his mouth out, how would you feel? Not very sexy, I bet. It's the same way for us men. If the woman grimaces, and spits it out, we get the idea that they see it as a disgusting chore.
Your opinions are your own, but it's hardly fair to call women who do such things whores. Sexual liberation is about being comfortable with one's body, and expirimenting with new forms of sexuality. It has nothing to do with the moral, or social ramifications of something.

Okay, I hate having anal sex, and don't particularly enjoy deep throating or swallowing, but...
[QUOTE=Quote ]I don't understand what kind of man would even be interested in anal sex unless he had some kind of bestial or homoerotic fixation. [/QUOTE]
Putting a penis in a tight warm place feels good to most men.  It is no more "homoerotic" than oral sex, hand-jobs, or other forms of non-vaginal stimulation of the penis.  I have no idea where you got the "bestial" thing.  Animals have vaginas too ya know.
[QUOTE=Quote ]There is no clitoris in the anus, thus, it is almost impossible for a woman to receive natural pleasure in that area. [/QUOTE]
That is quite a jump in logic.  There is also no clitoris inside the vagina.  

I have found from my own experience that a finger in or around the anus can be quite pleasurable at times.  I personally don't enjoy having something as large as a penis inside there, but other women claim to get pleasure from it, and I will take them at their word.  I am curious as to what you mean by "natural" pleasure, by the way.
[QUOTE=Quote ]However, the guy can get his rocks off without a problem. So I can therefore deduce that any woman who has anal sex with her partner abandons any chance of stimulation, and places her man over herself.

And then there are the other things like deep throating and swallowing semen. These were obviously invented by French prostitutes. I can hardly call myself a French prostitute, and I would bet many other women feel the same way. So why would a woman perform these illicit and tasteless acts (that are merely to get a guy off and place the woman in a subordinate position) and then call herself "sexually liberated"? [/QUOTE]
The fact that someone does not get much pleasure from a single activity does not mean that she "abondons any chance of stimulation."  Most men do not get physical pleasure from performing cunnilingus (an act that is merely to get a girl off).  However, most men do not see this as a reason not to do this, because they can always follow it with another activity that does stimulate them.  Likewise anal sex, swallowing, deep throating and other "illicit and tasteless acts" may not bring many women to orgasm, but they in no way prevent them from doing activities that will bring them to orgasm.  Furthermore, many people can get pleasure from the simple fact that their partner is receiving pleasure.  In a truely balanced relationship, both partners should be equally willing to engage in activities that give the other pleasure, whether these activities are backrubs or oral sex.
[QUOTE=Quote ]It would seem that a sexually liberated woman, aka a non whore, would appreciate clitoral stimulation in all its forms. [/QUOTE]
And why should appreciating clitoral stimaltion mean not appreciating other forms of stimulation?
[QUOTE=Quote ]I love to try new things with him and I consider myself relatively open-minded.[/QUOTE]
Relative to whom?  Your comments are homophobic, judgemental and misogynistic.  You express strong negative judgements about activities you have never tried, and stronger judgements about those who have tried them.  In your posts so far, you have yet to show any sort of open-mindedness toward anyone with opinions and experiences different from your own.

Sorry for being rude, but you kinda started it.

Bravo Girlygirl!!!! Well I'll just add my personal feelings about the activities at hand......quite early in life I learned that if you are going to date south americans and europeans and especially arabs, anal sex is very much the norm for them not something they do once in awhile for a treat. Depending how adventurous you are and what you know about mens fantasies, anal can be exciting. What turns me on is seeing him get hot and i will do anything to get him that way. On the subject of swallowing....I want all that hard work to pay off and the reward is his delivery.Being amongst comrades here I will admit....I get more turned on giving a man oral than he does!Thats the disadvantages of a high sex drive. Sex is to be enjoyed ...with me anything goes.

Ok, it seems the idea I had I did not see anyone say....isn't anal sex a turn on for guys and gals because it is "naughty"? Don't we enjoy being naughty once in a while.

I agree fully with Wsieman and GirlyGirl

and as far as doninace and sublisson do go (rergardless of what extent or extreme we're talking about), man couples enjoy giving control and dominance to eachother. It also help to strengthen the relationship, IMO, because it shows that you feel comfortable and safe being 'at their mercy', or 'under their control'

Personally, I find the idea of having my girl submit to me, as well as surrendering control completly to her rather enjoyable, and do not see why you find the idea so offensive

I see oral, handjobs etc in no way necasarrily homoerotic, its simply another activity you and your partner can enjoy together.

You seem like the kind of person who finds any sign of female submission at all to be offensive, and who would see the man being on top as a form of control

IMHO, you seem like a very closed minded person and rather judgemental and discriminating.

As for swallowign semsn, some women enjoy the taste, and others simply like to know that he is wnjoying their ativities, just as most men love to know that they have satisfied their woman.

Sometimes pleasure comes not from the act its self, but fromthe knowledge that your partner is enjoying him/herself

I see nothing wrong with these activities, and find your snap judgements and many of your views contradictary, discrinatry, and offensive

Many couples fulfill eachothers fantasies to some extent, and do things they they might not find find the greatest thing themselves in order to pleasure thei partner

but now I'm just rambling

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[QUOTE=Quote ]As for swallowing, think of it this way. If a man went down on you, and went he was done, spat, and wiped his mouth out, how would you feel? Not very sexy, I bet. It's the same way for us men. If the woman grimaces, and spits it out, we get the idea that they see it as a disgusting chore.[/QUOTE]

Wow, I never even thought of that! I couldn't imagine if my husband went down on me and then spit, lol. You have enlightened me I don't always swallow, sometimes it's a little thick. I was induced with castol oil when I was overdue to have my daughter, and ever since then anything really thick makes my gag reflex really strong. The last time I gave my husband oral, I swallowed and he was elated, like it made the act so much more enjoyable for him. I think he took it as a compliment that I would do that. He is very generous with oral and never spits out my "juices", so I guess I should give him the same respect! Of course we all know when he reads this he will jump for joy!

You are right honey!!!!!!

Hey you two, get a room.

Anal sex=silk

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. . .

. . .and the clitorus is not THAT far away is it?

The difference between these French whores and you are that ... you love him... you love him right? And sometimes it is ok to feel dirty and hense, you are not sleeping around with muliple partners and being permiscuious and non- respective of yourself so you have no right to feel bad for the things you do... and sometimes it is just nice to get a guy off for the simple means of pleasing him right? I mean they do do it to you... i heard also that anal could be enjoyable so just try it once and see how you like it... And no a guy doesn't have to be gay to enjoy it... actually anal intercourse is better for a guy cuz it is tight and grabs his penis mroe and give it more feeling.. so don't look at it as him being gay cause obviously he has a girl in front of him and not a guy. Just relax and try things... you are never gonna have fun if you don't stop steriotyping yourself as a whore or a gay lover to him... JUST STOP IT relax and enjoy yourself...

[QUOTE=Quote (nodoubt16pb @ Aug. 11 2003,14:06)]The difference between these French whores and you are that ... you love him... you love him right? And sometimes it is ok to feel dirty and hense, you are not sleeping around with muliple partners and being permiscuious and non- respective of yourself so you have no right to feel bad for the things you do... and sometimes it is just nice to get a guy off for the simple means of pleasing him right? I mean they do do it to you... i heard also that anal could be enjoyable so just try it once and see how you like it... And no a guy doesn't have to be gay to enjoy it... actually anal intercourse is better for a guy cuz it is tight and grabs his penis mroe and give it more feeling.. so don't look at it as him being gay cause obviously he has a girl in front of him and not a guy. Just relax and try things... you are never gonna have fun if you don't stop steriotyping yourself as a whore or a gay lover to him... JUST STOP IT relax and enjoy yourself...
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Well put

Take it from me, a nearly uncontrollable heterosexual male, that the vast majority of heterosexual men enjoy, some are even obsessed with, anal sex. There are few pleasures as exquisite as the feeling of a woman's tight sphincter grasping one's penis--s-i-l-k. Homosexual males just SEEM to have a monopoly on this act, while in reality Europeans have been exploring, with abandon, the anus for centuries.

thank you for your compliment a soldare... it made me smile

Couldn't have said it better, nodoubt

I have to say that when I started reading this post I sat straight up.
The only thing I want to add is how sad to be soo judgemental in life. Who cares what french whore or american whore (why are french whore concidered better anyway) are doing.
Nothing is a bigger turn on to my husband and myself than when he "thinks" he is getting away with something, but that is were it is fun. If I ever thought for a second that he actually thought that because I let him stick it were the sun don't shine that I was beneath him or it made me less of a person then well I never would have married that type of man and he would not have me so it doesn't matter.
I was just a little shocked by the fact that in one post she almost succeeded in insulting about 80% (maybe more) of all sexually active couples. I say almost because someones opinion would have to matter to get affended by it.

You say that you're open minded, but your statement proves otherwise. You seem very close minded and judgemental.

No, there isn't a clit in your ass. There isn't a clit in your mouth either, and you enjoy kissing right? You don't need to cum to experience pleasure. And personaly I can cum harder sometimes by having anal sex then any other way. I love it. But it really doesn't matter how many women explain to you the reasons for loving it, because A) you'll never understand if you don't try it and B) you aparently think we're all whores and don't care what we have to say anyway. And as far as your fear that my man might be gay, don't worry, because no matter what part of my body he's in, he's still in me. I have long hair(to my waist),36 DD's, curves, and the all importaint pussy, I am a woman. and besides.. anal was my idea.. he'd never done it before.

The only way I'd feel degraded or whore-like by deep throating (by the way, you know the difference in deep throating and just giving head right?), and/or swallowing his cum, is if the guy made me feel that way. Considering I've only done that with one person (deep throating/swallowing, not give head) and he loves me, he'll more than likely never do anything to make me feel bad about it. So it seems to me that the only person that considers me a whore is you. And if you consider me to be that because I'm comfortable enough with myself and my lover to experiment and find things that we both enjoy, then so be it.

Oh yes and keep this in mind too.. the all importaint saying of
"DON'T KNOCK TILL YOU'VE TRIED IT"

Sex is dirty. That's why it's so much fun. The power games enhance it.

I "degrade" my wife with anal sex and cum filled bj's. She "degrades" me with a cat-of-nine-tails and a strap on dildo. It's kinky. It's dirty. We love it. I'm sure that she doesn't believe that any of this lessens her liberated status.

At the same time, my wife and I have very conservative attitudes about promiscuity and being faithful. We love each other deeply.

Maybe we'll use your French Whore imagery in our next role playing session!

My take on it is this:

I love sex, I have no sexual hangups and just love being intimate with the man that I love. I so get off on doing all kinds of things and pushing myself to the limit sexually - I have had anal sex and I loved it. I do swallow semen and do not find it disgusting.
I don't sleep around or do anything illegal so in my opinion what I do in the bed room, be it anal or whatever is not whore like because its done in a relationship where I really love him.

I must admit that the original post got me all het up, and girlygirl-by saying a lot of what I was thinking- just added to my sense of self-righteous indignation.  I mean, why search out a site with sex in the title, join and then come off sounding like a prude?  I was all set to write something scathing and then I got to hanksnow's post.

He didn't say anything negative.  He just stated his views in an almost exuberant way.  There was a definite sense of fun.  And he even came up with something useful from the original post. Wow!  So thanks, hanksnow, for giving a nice example of how we should look at the world.

Now that I'm in a better frame of mind, I'll even try to give some useful advice.  Pink Pony, dear, you might get a better response to a post if you don't start out by refering to at least half your audience as whores.  Just something to think about.