Lovely

My first and last ever post.

1 is it wrong? people will say YES
2 Is it hot? YES
3 Is it fun? YES
4 Do I have a sister? stepsister only we hate each other!

I read about 200 posts on here. You are not very kinky kids. What is kinky? anything you dont do right? You do not need counseling. You enjoyed yourself, had fun then , and maybe fun now remembering it. Dont have some $100/hour psychologist tell you it messed you up for life. Lots of people roleplay daddy/daughter brother/sister ideas and enjoy it. Lots of these people probably have/wished they had done something in the past with their own relations. If you enjoy it, thats all that matters. It does not preclude your ability to have a normal family and children in the future, as long as you recognize that its not for everyone. I only wish i had real sister! Stuck with roleplay , which any girl that has joined in has enjoyed quite a bit. Why not roleplay to recall a moment from past with your current bf/hub/one night stand. Youll probably enjoy it The people on this website are very very mainstream in their behaviors actions. Dont let close minded people tell you what you did was wrong. Its a personal choice, and you nor your brother hurt each other. alot of people dont like anal/facials, but alot of people do. If you liked/like doing sexual acts with your brother in a consentual manner, by all means... -Josh

PS i bet your partner would enjoy a little RP action along these lines, probably shy about it

Shugotenshi--I agree that the situation you discribe is sick and wrong, but so is any situation where one person is forcing something on another. That does not necessarily mean that a situation like the one Lauren discribes, which both people appeared to have enjoyed, is sick and wrong.

So do I think this is sick and wrong? I really don't know. Whenever I hear about something like this, my first reaction is disgust. However, in a case like this there is really no logical reason for the disgust. Incest in the traditional sense of the of the word is a problem because it can result in inbreeding. However, simply masterbating in front of eachother is very unlikely to result in pregnency, and therefor also very unlikely to result in inbreeding. So why is it still a problem?

xx22xx - You answered your own question, by my opinion.

And on a side note: I find both situations of sibling incest in any form, or forcing anything on anyone to be equally disturbing and wrong. But then, as I've said in other posts in this thread or others, I'm probably viewed as the more 'conservative' minority of my generation... And since there is generally strength in numbers, I can understand how people may see things as different from myself. While I respect their opinions as opinions, as ideals and actions I still find them disgusting..

If anyone is interested, Merriam Webster's Dictionary defines incest as: "sexual intercourse between persons so closely related that they are forbidden by law to marry; also : the statutory crime of such a relationship".

Their definition of sexual intercourse is:
1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : COITUS
2 : intercourse involving genital to genital contact between individuals other than penetration of the vagina by the penis.

Therefore, by definition, mutual masturbation is not incest. Neither (up to a point) is even playing with each other! It might still be considered "icky", but then we're back to morals, innocent exploration versus exploitation (for very young kids), etc., etc.

I agree with Guido and yippi's positions on all this, so don't have much more to add.

Ah,this topic came back to life. lol

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BMC--Get a girlfriend. Don't video tape your sister. That's just going too far.

Anyways, While we're on the subject, I saw a show on TV where these parents give consent to these internet sites to take pictures of their daughters in suggestive,erotic poses. They're not nude but pretty damned close to it and it's ALL LEGAL!!!

The little girls are as young as 8 years old and I find it sick.
These girls go online once a month and chat to men all over the country and are asked certain questions like "Do you like to suck lollipops?" They are sent gifts,being paid lots of money and it's a big business because it's all all legal.

One of the mom's of a little girl was asked about what she thought of these men,mostly in their 40's and single what they thought about their little girls being asked such questions and she said nothing. When she was to be interviewed again, she refused to give an interview. Showing she IS wrong and knows it.

These parents that are actually willing to allow their children to do this are SICK and need help. They are probably the same people who would allow incest,are into beastiality and other sick sexual acts.

Little girls and little boys,CHILDREN should be allowed to be children. They should grow up in a secure,safe,healthy,nurturing,loving environment. and when you take that away, you are corrupting the child.

Anywho, I don't mean to categorize people or their actions unless they are into incest or child pornography. That is just unbelievably damaging to young children both emotionally and physically.

So, someone asked about sexual tabbo's and compared it to murder,violence and whatnot.

Well, when a murderer kills someone, they hide. Therefore, proving that they KNOW what they did IS WRONG!
Same as with incest, the people who do it, hide. They know it's wrong.

If you hide from something you know IS WRONG? Then you deserve the consequences of your actions wheather it be bubba's butt buddy in prison or death.

and onto Role playing:
Role playing is a game. But to have a fantasy where you want to play brother/sister,father/daughter,mom/son,rape scenarios is wrong. In my opinion, there are many ways to enjoy sex without going into a role play of incest,rape or beastiality to get your kicks. If you DO fantasize about it, chances are, you are probably one of these men who look at a young girl under 18 walking down the street and think something perverted.

Maybe I'm wrong on that but it is just my opinion and I make sure to stay clear of anyone into such things.

Enjoy sex. Enjoy your body and your partner.

*get's off the soap box cuz she's tired and rambling* LOL

Well, my first reaction was somewhat similar to SexGoddess (we seem to agree on many things) only less intense.

Virtually all cultures have taboos on incest. If intercourse and pregnancy result, there are obvious genetic issues. In most cultures brothers and sisters just do not do it. In relatively isolated areas, sibling incest is far from rare.

You have violated a cultural norm. If this has resulted in some sort of hangup, take SexGoddess' advice. Otherwise, be damned careful with whom you discuss it. My brother (younger) and his friends used to peek on my sister (older) and I and we would holler and scream which may have been the whole point. I guess that could have gone farther but doubt it.

Josh is right! i have been accused of being too mainstream before and as the moderator has pointed out to me several times. this is a board of free expression. i do not agree with many things but itry to avoid posts on that subject.If you enjoyed it and no one got hurt mentally or physically - so be it. Is it much different than two brothers or sister jacking or jilling off - I don't think so. the Taboo is you opposite sex masturbation. i Agree if there are mental scrs seek help if not don't worry about it.

right on Guido!

Brandye, from your posts I know you have a somewhat unconventional lifestyle yourself being bi, so am a little surprised at your reaction here and in the topic about "sex in blood".

i think you write some really great stuff here and i don't mean to be rude, but it just seems a bit hypocritical. As Guido says, i think we need to be tolerant of all lifestyles where those involved are consenting, whether we agree with them or not!

but not every one will agree with that definition of sexual intercourse (just remember Bill Clinton saying ... "i did not have sexual intercourse with her" LOL ), not even the laws, and as we saw in other post in this forum some people will consider oral sex, fingering, etc, as "sexual intercourse" some others won't.

[QUOTE=Quote (shugotenshi @ Jan. 06 2003,20:05)]xx22xx - You answered your own question, by my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, what question did I answer for myself? I'm pretty sure I only said 'Because it conflicts with MANY people morals."

OMFG That is disgusting!
get some counseling.

I hope to God neither one of you forced these things upon each other. I believe this to be one of th most depressing things I've ever read. I know a girl who was forced by her brother - an elder of almost ten years - to perform sexual acts upon him. You should seriously get some conseling because this is not right.

ALL kids, as they grow up, have a natural interest in their own and other people's bodies. The bodies they are most likely to come into contact with are their own and those of their close family. With kids of approximately the same age (siblings or not), it is not so strange that the interest might become mutual and still remain perfectly innocent in nature, with nothing more than "look and touch" and (yes) maybe even mutual masturbation - no bad motive, just because it feels good! Eventually, as they grow a little older, they understand that some things (although ok) are private, and they usually grow out of it. So far, I see no problem ... If they don't grow out of it and it is still equally consentual, then I am still not convinced there is a real problem.

The real problem does DEFINITELY arise where there are children of differing ages and levels of development, where one child has some physical or psychological influence over the other (such as an older sibling has over a younger one), and uses it to persuade or force the other child into what the older child knows are sexual acts. The younger child is being taken advantage of - that is plain wrong!

The basic point here is no different than for adults where one partner is not consenting. Any time that anyone coerces someone who does not consent to do something, THAT is what is wrong! Whether you agree with incest (or not) is not the real issue here. The issue here is that ANY sexual acts are only ok if BOTH parties are of an age and maturity to properly consent. (In the case where both kids are equally very young and innocent, it really isn't an "intended sexual act", it is just part of self-discovery.)

In the case of ADULT incest, if both partners consent (and as long as no child comes of it, because of the genetic issues), then whether it is wrong or not depends on your personal point of view. "Live and let live", I say. I don't have to condone something to believe in a person's right to make their own decision and for them not to be condemned for having an unconventional lifestyle.

[QUOTE=Quote (xx22xx @ Jan. 06 2003,17:33)]because it conflicts with MANY people's morals[/QUOTE]
true  - but MANY things conflict with many people's morals - homosexuality, drinking, smoking - even masturbation (but who hasn't done that?) to name a few.

that doesn't make those people right, or mean that they should condemn other people for what they believe and do - part of living in a free society is having the freedom to be different. as long as the people involved are all happy and it is not hurting anyone else, then so what? morals are for yourself, not something to be inflicted on everyone else!

as someone else put it "live and let live".

i saw this post long time ago and did not even bother to answer it because it sounded realy bogus, like some one put it here just to get attention. But i'll like to put my two cents now.

When i think of a situation like the one described at first (bro & sis masturbating in front of each other) i just think, what kind of people will do that? who raise that kind of people?, how do they did it? in what kind of enviroment you have to live so you will end up with such sense of sexuality? surely those siblings saw many similars situations during their childhood in order to get to that point where they can masturbate in front of each other so easily, is not so hard to figure it out, monkey sees monkey does. If they masturbate in front of a bro or sis why not in front of a dad or mon? or backwards? or dad with sis and mom with bron, and why masturbate when you can do something more? surely if you got that far why stop there. Is getting sickier don't you think?

Will any one think that is all right for a father to have sex with his daughter just because they are all grown ups and consenting adults, just because they appear to enjoy it? do you think he will go to jail?

So those siblings are grown ups with a very different sense of sexuality. So what? Maybe they are not bad people, but the line between right and wrong is getting hard to see, and that can get you in trouble, because unless you live in a desert island the people with a more conventional lifestyle will make a big deal about all those thing they did not like.

So what do i think? i think it is wrong for many many reasons, and a pointless act. The only reason some one will do a thing like that is to get satisfaction from doing something very very bad that you are not supposed to do.

hey shugotenshi

I'm not quite sure how you managed to make the jump from yippi's argument of allowing consenting people to make their own decisions about what pleasures them - all the way to sept 11th attacks, murderers and rapists, so am afraid the logic of a lot of your argument escapes me. Murder and such is NOT about consenting people. How can you even compare the two?? I don't even get the connection ...

Anyway, re what is immoral or perverted? Whose definition are we going by? Yours? Mine? My Country's? Your Country's? My religion, or yours, or the guy down the block's? Morals standards are an individual ideal, they vary from person to person, country to country, from religion to religion. Do you think that we should ALL have identical morals and that no-one should be allowed to be different? Law is what we HAVE to abide by as a group, not morals. Law and morality are not the same thing. There are laws that are morally correct in some people's eyes and immoral in others.

The bottom line is - "is everyone involved consenting" (that rules out your murderer/rapist concern - because here clearly NOT everyone is consenting). It also rules out the father/daughter and mother/son argument (because the parent has an undue influence - even when the child grows up - which makes it wrong). But what about siblings, 1st cousins, 2nd cousins?? Did you know that in some countries marrying your second cousin is considered incest, while in others it is legal? Which is right? You can't just tar it all with one big brush and decree that it is all wrong, evil and that they are all perverts!

Just for the record, I am repulsed by the idea of incest (as I am by a number of other things). However, it's not my place (nor anyone else's) to brand people or to tell consenting adults what they can or can't do in the privacy of their own life!

[QUOTE=Quote (Tjdude @ Jan. 07 2003,13:24)](just remember Bill Clinton saying ... "i did not have sexual intercourse with her" LOL ),[/QUOTE]
err ... i think it was "sexual relations" clinton said - not the same thing!

regarding definitions, we can all make up our own definitions to suit and self-justify our own perspective - that doesn't change the facts. i can say "black is white" if it makes me happy, but that doesn't make it so in reality!

hey BMC,

you will note from my previous post that I am pretty open-minded (at least I like to think so). So, your exploits (while not my thing) don't shock me.

however, from your previous posts it is clear that you are about 20 and your sis is 17. My concern here is that as an older sibling you undoubtedly have a significant influence on her. That means you owe her not to abuse that "trust". At 17 she is still very open to influence; you should respect that. At 20 yrs you have no excuse not to know better and control yourself.

do yourself and (more importantly) HER a favor. Go and get yourself a real g/f of your own and let her alone! If you can't use your position to be a good influence on her, then at least don't be a bad one ... especially just to gratify yourself!

when you are both full adults, then what you do is up to you and her. For now, don't be a parasite on her!

[QUOTE=Quote ]Someone might also hide their sexual preference or an unusual birthmark. Does this prove that this person knows that these things are wrong? No, it proves that this person thinks that others think that they are wrong.[/QUOTE]

I think you may have misunderstood my post.
What I am saying about incest,child pornography or things of this nature are wrong. We all know it is wrong as long as we're brought up with good morals and such.

I know people have hidden their sexual preferences, by this I am assuming you mean gay,Bi, or straight. Well, these preferences are NOT wrong. If they hide them, then they obviously have good reason to. There are many vicious people out there who hate others for the color of their skin,their sexual preference etc.... and that is sad that people are that way (the hatred).

From what I have seen through my line of work, child molestation,domestic abuse and such, the people who commit these crimes know that what they're doing IS WRONG, and they hide it.

We all know right from wrong. and when a child predator,murderer,theif (anything criminal and punishable by law) or an abusive husband hide, it's because they know it's wrong.

I havne't done that....but that's good for you.

My girlfriend's brother is two years older than her..and when they were younger he used to eat her out or something along those lines. It was basically incestual rape, because she hated it..it was a form of abuse..but she was too scared to say anything because he threatened to hurt her if she told.

Now, almost seven years later.. She told her parents (a few months ago)..with her brother present. He denies it ever happening, and her parents don't believe her. The result is very likely going to effect her sex life in a traumatic way....Or has.. I'm just lucky that she's not in a relationship with me for sex but love..because that gets over what trauma she did suffer..

Stories like these are sick, wrong, and have nothing to do with 'breaking a norm'. Sexual perversion can only be excused away so far, people... Cases like these shouldn't be excused, in my opinion..

because it conflicts with MANY people's morals

yippi - If morals are as you say, and this is just for constructive criticism, then how do you explain such things as the Sept. 11th attack, etc? Everyone agrees that those men were insane, unethical, madmen.. Ethics can also be defined as morals in many cases....or else virtues.

If a murderer doesn't think it's wrong to kill, does that mean that their 'moral' code of conduct is not faulty because it's what he/she believes? No...I'd think not, anyway. So therefore, how is it any different with anything else that lay within the doman of 'morals'??

Perversion is rampant in today's society. And while we are a free society, it does not mean that we are free without consiquences. In the case of incest, it can and does many times breed consiquences of inbreeding, as well as emotional or even physical trauma. The same applies with what would basically be considered rape (when only one partner in a sex relationship is pro- that relationship at the time)... It's not a thing that we can say "just shut up and keep it to yourself, it's not your business"... If I found someone being raped in an alley, I'd be sure to try and stop it.

Do not confuse 'freedom' with perversion, they are two seperate creatures all their own.

You're right, Guido.. I have no idea what I was thinking.

A few days ago, I was in my room watching TV, my sister (17) and her boyfriend were upstairs in the living room. After a little while I started to her some giggling followed by moaning. My curiosity was driving me wild, it almost sounded like they were having sex, I slowly went upstairs, and I heard her b/f say to my sis "Be quiet or your brother will hear you!" I stopped halfway up the stairs and then I heard her say "I don't care let him hear us" Then I walk up the rest of the stairs and there they were on the floor ... [edited by moderator] ... where I could see them but if they didn't look that direction they wouldn't see me. Watching them really turned me on, so much so that i pulled out my penis and started to masturbate while watching them ... [edited by moderator] ... When they finished I snuck back to my room. The thing is, just this morning my sister confronted me and asked if I heard anything unusual that night. Well, I confessed to her. I told her I watched the whole thing. She said she knew I was watching, and she told her b/f after, and he didn't care but it made it more of a turn on. She then asked me if I would tape them with the camcorder the next time,because they want to make a tape of them having sex. That surprised me, I told her I would have to think about that. 2 questions: 1.Has I told ever seen a sibling have sex, and did it turn you on to watch? 2.Should I go ahead and tape them having sex, I'm not sure but it kind of excites me to think of the possibilities and different angles and close ups I could get but it could also be a little awkward, what does everyone think???

[This post has been heavily edited for length and gratuitous explicitness by the moderator. BMC ... we are aware that many people have unusual sexual inclinations (and the moderator makes no judgements on that). However, there is no need to give such lengthy and self-gratifying commentary. We welcome Members to share their experiences (whatever they may be), but this forum is not a venue for publishing "memoirs". Please bear this in mind in future posts. Thank you - the moderator]

in my opinion i think it's wrong. but one has to admit that possibly someone is at one point and time curious about what they're bro or sis looks like naked. but i would never act on it. males and females who are in a relationship thooough i think at one point or another should masterbate in from of eachother to see how the other one likes to be touched and loved...

Major flaw in your logic. Someone might also hide their sexual preference or an unusual birthmark. Does this prove that this person knows that these things are wrong? No, it proves that this person thinks that others think that they are wrong.

I am not saying that exploiting your children and masterbating with your brother are good things, just that the evidence you have given does not prove them to be bad things.

What the hell is wrong with some of you. It's just another f***ing person. I mean having sex and stuff is really weird... it is taboo and I see HOW you think it's WRONG but it's only wrong to people. It's not wrong to nature. Like masturbating in front of each other? I beat you at least 25% of people have seen or been with siblings while masturbating. The rape part and stuff and being forced to I do see WRONG because it's wrong no matter WHO it is. But if it's just your sister and shes masturbating and sees you walk by and tells you to walk in and its been your fantasy to see her for some reason (maybe she appeals to you or your curious or step sister or something) so you start masturbating. (Male or female) I mean come on it's not like there's any harm in that. It's experience, curiosity, and other things. So really why is everyone so pissy about it SHE JUST WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT ANY EXPERIENCES AND GENERAL THOUGHTS not freakin hate flames. Jesus..

Drew

Hey, take a look at this ...

The Universality of Incest

[QUOTE=Quote (Tjdude @ Feb. 11 2003,23:54)]Hey, take a look at this ...

The Universality of Incest[/QUOTE]
Don't tell me you read all of that!!! lol...mmm...

I've always wondered whether anyone actually read's those 1,000 page reports....Like the Iraq weapon's dossier was 10,000 pages i heard on the tv... shheeeshh...it would take me like 5 liftimes to read that let alone write it.

yep. It is realy hard to believe in what that report say.

First, it's not incest it's you only watch eachother... If he cummed on you,well.... is it wrong to be kinda turned on by that thought?......

Screw you if it is....

The way I see it, any act that's consensual is fine if ya understand.....
If the two of you want to engage in sex with eachother, go right ahead. Your bodies, your lives, your choice.....

(in case you're wondering, I happen to be in The New Zodiac Church...so the Common Law prettuy much somesup my views...)

hmm... I forget the exact wording, but I believe it's something like this....

[QUOTE=Quote ]Incest may be tolerated as long as all parties consent as defined in this text[/QUOTE]

ya sure incest is wrong, but its not as bad as most ppl in here make it out to be. this is an old post, but i just wanted to say that. im not homophobic or anti-gay or anything but i think incest isnt as bad as gay sex. thats my opinion (not that id ever do a thing like that ,ewww) but how a person likes to get off is their problem. and isnt this a board were ppl can come and talka bout their sex life and not be judged? no matter how sick,kinky, disturbing it might be.

Interesting topic...

*shrug* I think it's natural for kids to be curious about the opposite sex..  if its just kind of a "show me yours I'll show you mine" thing then I don't see anything wrong with it.  But if they're actually having sex.... I don't think it's a good thing.

Being an only child I never had to deal with anything like that.

It is natural when you are young to look see and even if you want touch.... cuz when you are a kid you don't really know what you are doing... but if it goes too far and you keep on doing up until you are an adult or a teenager then yes it could have phycological affects on you i am sure... and it is sad that story someone told up there i feel for that girl and her brother that forced her to do that:(

[QUOTE=Quote (deroxor @ Aug. 22 2003,16:23)]ya sure incest is wrong, but its not as bad as most ppl in here make it out to be. this is an old post, but i just wanted to say that. im not homophobic or anti-gay or anything but i think incest isnt as bad as gay sex. thats my opinion (not that id ever do a thing like that ,ewww) but how a person likes to get off is their problem. and isnt this a board were ppl can come and talka bout their sex life and not be judged? no matter how sick,kinky, disturbing it might be.[/QUOTE]
How can you think gay sex is bad but not be homophobic or anti-gay?

Good grief. Ok well incest is a strange thing to comment on.
Personaly I think I would never never be able to even feel that way about my sibling. However....whatever to whomever enjoys it.
I will say to the person that said it's not as bad as gay sex....
how are they even comparable...really now???
Gimme a break.
Live life.
Good luck.

If you read the Kinsey studies, you'll find that MOST siblings explore sexuality during their puberty years. More than 70% of men with brothers near their age, had admitted to watching or touching each other as teens.

Now, exploration is one thing, penetration is another.

I would NOT consider what the original poster wrote as INCEST.

There are a couple past posts that I would like to reply to first:
[QUOTE=Quote ]Just for the record, I am repulsed by the idea of incest (as I am by a number of other things). However, it's not my place (nor anyone else's) to brand people or to tell consenting adults what they can or can't do in the privacy of their own life! [/QUOTE]
"Consenting adults" would be persons 18 years of age or older. We are not talking about adults here, we are talking about children. Children should not know enough to masturbate in front of eachother. When children are little (2-4 years old) they are curious about what other's genitals look like. A child older than that may still be curious, but how many of them would reach out and touch someone else? Really, where do these people come from that would masturbate with eachother? I have never heard of anyone that did this unless they were sexually abused as a young child.
Second:
[QUOTE=Quote ]What the hell is wrong with some of you. It's just another f***ing person. I mean having sex and stuff is really weird... it is taboo and I see HOW you think it's WRONG but it's only wrong to people. It's not wrong to nature. Like masturbating in front of each other? I beat you at least 25% of people have seen or been with siblings while masturbating. The rape part and stuff and being forced to I do see WRONG because it's wrong no matter WHO it is. But if it's just your sister and shes masturbating and sees you walk by and tells you to walk in and its been your fantasy to see her for some reason (maybe she appeals to you or your curious or step sister or something) so you start masturbating. (Male or female) I mean come on it's not like there's any harm in that. It's experience, curiosity, and other things. So really why is everyone so pissy about it SHE JUST WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT ANY EXPERIENCES AND GENERAL THOUGHTS not freakin hate flames. Jesus..[/QUOTE]
Why on earth would you think that 25% of people have masturbated with their siblings?? I think that number is an extreme over exaggeration... The people who posted on this topic agree with the large majority of people in our country who don't think that this behavior is right. Incest (whether sex or another sexual act) is not a normal behavior that everyone acts upon. Children are not sexual at a young age unless they have been abused or are exposed to sex. Most of us (speaking for myself and those I know) know that this behavior is wrong. If you think that it's ok I would wonder what you have grown up around.

Sorry if I offended anyone but this topic makes my blood boil.

Ok... let me figure out a way to start this... First off, I can understand why the majority would see incest as wrong... and in many situations, I suppose I do as well. I mean, if I found out my younger sister was doing something with her brothers (we have different fathers) I agree, I'd be a tad bit upset... but I don't know. I think there are circumstances to everything.

Allow me to add now, though I know that this could forever alter the way I'm viewed by anyone reading this, I am in love with my sister. Now... before you allow any comments to bubble in your minds and find their way to your screen and mine, allow me to explain. Long story short... my father is a man-whore. A worthless piece of shit nonetheless. My mother... was a silly young woman who felt love for every man who treated her the slightest bit nice. By the time my parents met... my father had already had a daughter, Lets call her J. She is not my love. My father, unfortuantly, failed to tell my mother that he was with another woman when he and my mother started messing around. (no, this woman was not J's mother. See, he was/is a whore)

Now on the wonderful night that I was concieved, my fathers wife was giving birth to her daughter, my love, Rose. And cut to one year later... I was born. Now, Rose's mother, shall we call her C? C never really liked me or my mother... for obvious reasons, though she was always obsessed with my father... or as I like to refer to him, the spermdoner. He had a couple of other kids with various women before going to jail for some charge which I don't remember. when he came out.... I was 16 and my girlfriend was 17. he started messing around with C and decided to reach out to his children. Lucky me... I happen to be one of them.through him... I was introduced to C. We got along pretty well... it had seemed she had gotten over whatever problems she had with me. After a couple of months, she brought me to her house... and there I met Rose. Rose was the most beautiful girl/woman I had ever seen.(she continues to be) we got to know each other... and became very close. ( allow me to explain now... my home life was very much shit... and I had problems feeling love for anyone. In the same sense... I couldn't see siblings as true siblings. I never felt feelings for any of my other sisters though, what I mean by this is my siblings were just very close people. I couldn't feel anything like that for them.) One wonderful night... Rose and I kissed each other, announcing our feelings for each other... and in the beautiful, bittersweet moment... our lives were changed forever.

Since then we have been together... and eventually began seeing each other as husband and wife. And yes... i realize this conflicts with my orginal post in std and sexual disorders and whatever... but when I wrote that I had not planned on coming out with this. That doesn't make my questin any less true... it is still a question out there.

So yes... thats my story... and honestly... I forgot where I was going with this. Simply put... there are circumstances... be them right in your minds or not. So, in my opinion... this is your world... it can not be avoided... much like with homosexuality and biracial relationships... there'll be those who agree, and those who do not. And yes, perhaps this is slightly different... but hey... I don't know. Whatever your opinion may be... I give you the freedom to have it... give me the freedom to live my life. I deal with enough of my own minds riticule and at times it gets rough.... but then I look across, to my baby... I remember why I'm still here. In short... Have your opinion... share it even... just don't insult. And finally... I leave you with this one quote from one of my favorite anime's, Angel Sanctuary, in which a suporting character is speaking with the lead character, who is a similiar situation.
"None of your persecutors has ever been in your shoes. These people are all observing from the gallery, smugly dispersing the smart but unoriginal moralist cliche."

Wow, it'd seem as if my little story killed this topic... didn't it?

You are right roselover. Thanks for sharing your story to make the small minded people see the world in a different way. Congratulations that you found that woman who wowed you all over I hope you two have a wonderful life.... and this story makes people see how different people are and that people do different things... so thank you for your story hopefully opened some minds
THE BEST OF LUCK IN EVERYTHING!!!!! You had a crappy past you deserve to be happy now

Thanks alot... I was really not expecting that mature of a response. Once again Thanks!!

I think there is a huge difference between siblings who never knew each other and those who grew up together in the same household as siblings. Every so often you do hear of a couple who fall in love and then find out they are siblings. I honestly don't know what the right answer for that would be. Now because you are related by blood, if you decide to have children there could be problems, and you can't get married. As always there are circumstances to every case that would alter the perception. You are also an adult and are free to make your own decisions. You will probably be faced with opposition throughout your life if you continue your relationship with your sister because it is not the norm. Most people do not make an informed decision to have a sexual relationship with a family member. IMO I think most adults would hear this and say ew.

Well really... what is love? If you honestly think that you love your sister, then how can anyone else know your emotions and tell you otherwise?

Of course though, you can't legally marry (at least in the US, no idea about other places), and if you ever had children together, there are genetic issues...

Believe me... I realize this. As far as the oposition, I've been dealing with it since I decided to go for this. But as far as I'm concerned, I value the relationship far too much to allow the opinions of other bother me. And yes... I know we can not be legally married here, believe me, I have searched for every single loophole by this point. And lastly, the children topic, I realize the chances of problems, I've done all the research, heard the results of so many studies. And on top of that, I've gotten a genetic report done... alteast I believe that is what it is called... it was so long ago. She also got one done.And according to the results, our child only has a 7% higher chance than something being wrong with any of your children. For those who do not know... 'inbreeding' ( I hate that word) doesn't instantly result in a deformed or retarded child... after a few generations of continued 'inbreeding' the chance increase drastically.

Roselover, sounds like you've done a good deal of research, as well as sole searching, and I respect that. While I don't condone your relationship (not that you need mine or anyone else's approval) I respect the fact that you've made your decision with your eyes wide open. The one suggestion that I have is with respect to a potential child. While you believe the risk to be low for genetic problems, as you point out, they do exist. Equally important, you must consider the social implications that your child would face. Best of Luck to you.

Thanks. As far as the social problems that may arise... yes... that could be a problem. But... theres always the dream situation where we disappear, go somewhere where noone knows us... and that way, the kids will not have to know... atleast not untill there old enough to realize the problems that may arise. I myself learned the hard way that trusting people with such information can be a very bad idea. But luckly, now we both have understanding friends.

ok, I got alittle off subject there. The only bad I see arising from that would be the children having yet another thing about their parents that irk them... because if ya think about it... for a good 8-9 years (those wonderous teenage years)... the kids don't like the parents much.. I don't know where I'm going with tis. Thanks again