Though I understand the negative impacts from the entertainment industry's objectification of women, we need to remember that there are countries out there even now where women very truely are considered nothing more than objects.

It's hard to say how we or any other outside influence can go in there and change the culture of a country, especially when their mindsets are so entrenched in the past ("tradition").

Start off by showing them the scientific studies that prove that every society that has empowered its women has become (and is) a thriving economy.

basically society has to stop focusing on money and using any method to get it by using any method to promote its useless articles and think about the well being of the comunity

I never felt exploited due to models and sex culture for the past oh, 18 years. Much has to do with people who lack confidence; if that is not ingrained at home the parents & media are useless. Harmful? Only if you are short of an idiot.

Change needs to begin at home and within the person--not the media. It should be poor self image promulgated at home leads to psychological damage!

I personally think that this lack of confidence is perfectly justified. And it doesn't have too much to do with the person's education, it's just that any realistic person would realise what their chances of being respected are. So, with no respect, can that poor girl expect to be loved and appreciated as she deserves? of course not.

Boys and young men are so immature, but will their mentality change over time, or will they always think that what the media shows them is normal? Better yet, some might know that it's not normal, but like the idea of turning women into objects.

Anyway, any normal girl has the need of being appreciated. It's just that she has too much to cope with and it's very frustrating. She may want to look perfect, she may be frustrated if she lacks sexual experience, she may have a fear of being cheated on (of course she will be), which doesn't make her very happy...

I personally wonder if I should even get married or not. I grew up with a strong desire for stability, having a family etc. That's what seemed normal to me. But come to think of it.. it would probably be an unsatisfying life because of my beloved husband. :P I live under the impression that all men are impossible to please. It really is frustrating. And I'm extremely jealous, which only makes things worse.

Well who cares about marriage, I'll be lucky if I manage to keep a guy for a few months. :D (see what the media has done to me? and I'm not the bad-looking type, I don't get sad if I see pretty girls on tv, but there are some things that I don't like about my body - such as, one breast larger that the other - and I see this as a tragedy..you may laugh, it's stupid, but that's how I feel).

My solution is simple, stay away from men! :D but it's not a very good one. There are joys of life that we all deserve to have, such as love and sex. But finding a good partner is so hard nowadays.. :<

yes I know just where you are coming from especially when the girl of my dreams after nearly two years says to me you know its only in these past few days I've come to realize your a really nice guy that just wants to be loved..... perhaps she had too many other unecesary things on her mind to realize this imediately...... if only things were simpler and modern media and society (which media drives itself to satisfy) makes things so complicated

Actually men are easy to please; meaning the right man for you. As far as your body image; most women have the same issue breasts are in all different shapes/forms & sizes. This is actually very normal.

As far as marriage? Nothing wrong with it but you need to be whole as a person, as does he, and together you are stronger as a pair then as singles--forming a strong partnership. But you have to let jealousy & insecurity go since they seem to hinder your moving into what you desire.

You do not learn anything about men if you stay away from them. You do not learn anything about women if you stay away from them. And if you listen to pop psyches in the media - you will go nuts. Everyone has a poor self image - so it doesn't matter. Everyone worries "is it me?" so that does not matter either.

Take your courage up in both hands and get social.

Yes, sera - men are easy to please. Most would be tickled pink and forever grateful if you, a woman, just noticed their existence!

[QUOTE=Psychosis;201049]
Anyway, any normal girl has the need of being appreciated. It's just that she has too much to cope with and it's very frustrating. She may want to look perfect, she may be frustrated if she lacks sexual experience, she may have a fear of being cheated on (of course she will be), which doesn't make her very happy...
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Let's not forget that this isn't the 1800s anymore, nowadays women are just as likely to cheat as men are.

[QUOTE=machine_rat;201736]Let's not forget that this isn't the 1800s anymore, nowadays women are just as likely to cheat as men are.[/QUOTE]

Quite true

I think girls have to learn through living life, but they need to be educated properly first. not just about sex, STD's, pregnacy ect. but about human relationships and what happens, hormones, love and when someone may actually be taking advantage of you.

I agree with Sera. I have never felt exploited by the media. No one is perfect, but we have to deal with it. So what if you have one breast larger than the other? I mean, no one is entirely symmetrical. My left breast is bigger than the right one, but my boyfriend still tells me I have the perfect body and that he loves my boobs. As long as he's doesn't mind, why should I? I take care of myself and I like to present myself as attractively as I can. Do I think that I have been twisted by the media in a need to please men and objectify women? NO. I enjoy looking nice. And my boyfriend enjoys looking nice too. Honestly, I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I understand that societal pressures are different for women than for men, but I do not think for one minute that my life is harder because I'm female or that my gender has ever worked against me.

We talk about sexualisation hurting young people, and how our culture is based around sex as though these concepts are evil. Many ancient cultures valued sex and saw it as sacred, a communion with the gods. They used it to market religion and we use it to market products. Not much has changed. Humans like sex. A big part of our lives revolve around sex. Sex IS a big part of our romantic relationships. Sex is recreation, and it's how we have kids. It's important. Children find that out pretty soon. To try to shield them from it is silly and futile.

unfortunately the majority of people are born with a tendency to see themselves as inferioir to the mass not knowing that the mass is feeling the same the media plays on this....

I do not agree that people are born feeling inferior...it's how they are raised in a household which gives values, ethics, morals, and self-esteem at a young age...the remainder comes with being confident in yourself & learning from your good & mistakes. Media? That's for the insecure and feeds their complexes that much more.

[QUOTE=Psychosis;201049]I personally think that this lack of confidence is perfectly justified. And it doesn't have too much to do with the person's education, it's just that any realistic person would realise what their chances of being respected are. So, with no respect, can that poor girl expect to be loved and appreciated as she deserves? of course not.

Boys and young men are so immature, but will their mentality change over time, or will they always think that what the media shows them is normal? Better yet, some might know that it's not normal, but like the idea of turning women into objects.

Anyway, any normal girl has the need of being appreciated. It's just that she has too much to cope with and it's very frustrating. She may want to look perfect, she may be frustrated if she lacks sexual experience, she may have a fear of being cheated on (of course she will be), which doesn't make her very happy...

I personally wonder if I should even get married or not. I grew up with a strong desire for stability, having a family etc. That's what seemed normal to me. But come to think of it.. it would probably be an unsatisfying life because of my beloved husband. :P I live under the impression that all men are impossible to please. It really is frustrating. And I'm extremely jealous, which only makes things worse.

Well who cares about marriage, I'll be lucky if I manage to keep a guy for a few months. :D (see what the media has done to me? and I'm not the bad-looking type, I don't get sad if I see pretty girls on tv, but there are some things that I don't like about my body - such as, one breast larger that the other - and I see this as a tragedy..you may laugh, it's stupid, but that's how I feel).

My solution is simple, stay away from men! :D but it's not a very good one. There are joys of life that we all deserve to have, such as love and sex. But finding a good partner is so hard nowadays.. :<[/QUOTE]

Oh my God... This is all such bull****. The media and men have nothing to do with your negative attitude. It's 100% your own making. Everyone is fully capable of being happy with themselves and having a good life if they so choose. You have obviously chosen not to, and you've decided to convince yourself that it's everyone else's fault. It's not - it's your fault. Quit making excuses and trying to blame other people and start taking responsibilty for your life...

Usually I'm against professional therapy, but in your case I think you should seek it out.

Before you can earn anyone else's respect, you have to have self-respect. In order to inspire confidence in others, you have to have confidence in yourself. Both of these can be fostered by the right family enivronment during your youth or hindered by the wrong one. Whichever you had, when you turn 18 - it is YOUR job to face up and then to fix what deficiencies you may have. This is best done by getting out there and building the life you have always dreamed of living. Just do it.

[QUOTE=sera300;201750]I do not agree that people are born feeling inferior...it's how they are raised in a household which gives values, ethics, morals, and self-esteem at a young age...the remainder comes with being confident in yourself & learning from your good & mistakes. Media? That's for the insecure and feeds their complexes that much more.[/QUOTE]

well actually suppose its not being born like it but thats just how people come to feel when they face the wide world then the media comes along and confirms their "feelings" saying yes you are less thaan everybody else buy this product to do better

[QUOTE=oedipussy;201753]Usually I'm against professional therapy, but in your case I think you should seek it out.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I know I need professional therapy. :P But I never said that there was nothing wrong with me. Actually I think that I'm responsible for my own unhapiness, since I'm not smart enough to adapt.

Someone said that the family environment is very important. Well, my mother is the kind of woman who tries to be fair in a relationship, give everything, not cheat etc (not very smart, I know), obviously she taught me the same thing, and guess what... my parents have divorced recently and I've seen her spending the past years suffering because her beloved husband didn't love her anymore, because he was a liar and had cheated all along etc. And only to make things worse, that hypocrite whom I call father tells me that in order to keep my man, I should do whatever he wants all the time, try to please him all the time. Oh really? Didn't mother do the same thing?? :mad:

Suddenly I found myself facing reality, far away from the fictional world I had lived in. A world that I have to understand and to which I have to adapt. A world where love seems impossible.. And where women really do seem to be nothing but objects. So here's your psychoanalysis. That's when the whole media thing started to affect me.

So basically, if it happens to someone else, it's going to happen to you? You need to ditch the "world is against me" attitude...

As much as some people like to bitch and moan about how unfair the world is, the simple truth is - life really isn't that hard or complicated. You can choose to be happy and have fun or you can choose to be miserable and bored. So make your choice... Which would you rather be? Life is what you make of it. Period.

Well of course it's going to happen to me too. :D You should see the matrimonial web sites, they're full of married men seeking affairs. So if I were married and my husband did such a thing, it would be unfair to me. But it's not generally unfair since women cheat as well. I know that.

As for choosing to have fun and be happy... oh well. I think it depends on every person and their own aspirations. Some find it hard to do that and keep a sense of reality all the time, some need autosuggestion. And life really is complicated to some. Not all of us are smart :P

PSYOSIS:

Listen to Oedi..he points out many good reasons and offers you fair advice. Therapy? Will be much similar to what he has offered but with a financial cost....

Psy- if you'd only change your mindset, you'd find your life going so much better. Stop hiding behind "I'm too stupid." and FIX your life.

[QUOTE=Psychosis;201790]Yeah I know I need professional therapy. :P But I never said that there was nothing wrong with me. Actually I think that I'm responsible for my own unhapiness, since I'm not smart enough to adapt.

Someone said that the family environment is very important. Well, my mother is the kind of woman who tries to be fair in a relationship, give everything, not cheat etc (not very smart, I know), obviously she taught me the same thing, and guess what... my parents have divorced recently and I've seen her spending the past years suffering because her beloved husband didn't love her anymore, because he was a liar and had cheated all along etc. And only to make things worse, that hypocrite whom I call father tells me that in order to keep my man, I should do whatever he wants all the time, try to please him all the time. Oh really? Didn't mother do the same thing?? :mad:

Suddenly I found myself facing reality, far away from the fictional world I had lived in. A world that I have to understand and to which I have to adapt. A world where love seems impossible.. And where women really do seem to be nothing but objects. So here's your psychoanalysis. That's when the whole media thing started to affect me.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the REAL WORLD fortunately in the real world there are many variants, there are men out there that are faithful (like me so I know and I'm sure I'm not the only one) so you just have to live and learn and you will hopefully meet the right person, hey you only live once you won't come back in a second life more wise than before and say ok now I know what I'm doing nobody's life is perfect but the ones that have "imperfect" lives are the ones that worry over it.

[quote=Psychosis;201794]Well of course it's going to happen to me too. :D You should see the matrimonial web sites, they're full of married men seeking affairs. So if I were married and my husband did such a thing, it would be unfair to me. But it's not generally unfair since women cheat as well. I know that.

[COLOR=#ff0000]There are men all over ,and women as well, seeking fun on the side without consent of their spouse. This is reality. [/COLOR]

As for choosing to have fun and be happy... oh well. I think it depends on every person and their own aspirations. Some find it hard to do that and keep a sense of reality all the time, some need autosuggestion. And life really is complicated to some. Not all of us are smart :P[/quote]

[COLOR=red]You choose your destiny, be happy, make life happy, get your education, learn from moms mistakes AND dads. You will identify what you do not want in a person...do not follow the same path "just because". You so not have to be books smart--be "street-smart". AND STOP PUTTING YOURSELF DOWN. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=#ff0000]Life is complicated for many...learn to adapt and it's becomes easier.[/COLOR]

Going back to the heart of this post, the way I see it, the only girls that are harmed by a [supposed] culture of sexualism are those that were never taught any better. Of course there are bad parents out there that are going to produce misinformed children, but ideally you see the 'booty shaking' images and roll your eyes, not crook your head and blindly conform to what media shows you.

It's kind of like how certain people will complain about professors with 'left-wing liberal agendas'... if the students were raised right then they aren't going to blindly accept everything that is presented.

[QUOTE=machine_rat;202515]Going back to the heart of this post, the way I see it, the only girls that are harmed by a [supposed] culture of sexualism are those that were never taught any better. Of course there are bad parents out there that are going to produce misinformed children, but ideally you see the 'booty shaking' images and roll your eyes, not crook your head and blindly conform to what media shows you.

It's kind of like how certain people will complain about professors with 'left-wing liberal agendas'... if the students were raised right then they aren't going to blindly accept everything that is presented.[/QUOTE]

when I look around me I see many people that the media can take advantage of, nowadays most parents are rubbish they just don't know how to teach their kids. think all those kids out there being vandals and criminals because their parents won't teach them respect do you think they bothered in matters of sex either ? just look around you and at what goes on today

Even if there is a two-parent household for that child, more than likely both parents are at work all day (just to have more stuff), leaving the child to their own devices.

Rat, both parento not work JUST to have "more stuff". Unless the job pays very well, two incomes are required just to support a family.

The only 'sexualization' I consider harmful are beauty pagents where young girls are taught make-up, hairdressing, and being 'sexy' at age 5 or so. Now THAT is disgusting!

well persoanlly I think its time to say ok all things shut sunday no more very late night openings its time to lkeave time for family, people are going out to work at bad hours because thats all they can get if things run non stop then people shop at all hours etc and its all dragged out time to put things i their place forget so called comodity and style of life a proper life is more important than people chasing about 7 days a week 24 hours a day

Nonsense, Newtolove, if you can "leave time for family" then you do. If you cannot, or do not wish to, which is your right, then you don't. Too much 'domesticity' is often just as bad as too little.

Im not claiming to "know" anything but im a 15 year old guy (if u can b a "guy" at 15) and iv noticed wat this topic is talking about around me. its not so much the media being so influencing just that its usually the only influence. Also a lot of kids are taught from age 0 to just do what they are told with out questioning it and it seems to me that the kids with parents that were heavily like that that always say cause we said so and because im an adult as the reason the kid should do things go along with the first thing they are told even if its from the TV. Its not TV's fault, the writers want to make something that will be watched and if people arent watching it they will probly cancel it.

Its also true though that you cant blame anything for the way you are. Ultimately its you that makes your life the way it is. However outside influences obviously effect you. I notice that a lot of if not most kids are taught to be stubborn about their beliefs and to attack other ones for confirmation that theirs is right. An example is one group of skater kids making fun of emos for no reason. I try to listen to what people say and take as much as i can from their experiences but sadly theres a lot of people who dont. So what you often end up with is someone with no knowledge about relationships and sex from the kids parents and the first time they see it in their life at a real level (seeing two people holding hands doesnt count as relationship knowledge) is on TV. So they learn that and ignore any other ideas about relationships cause they are taught to be stubborn. I mean the first time i saw people deal with sex was the movie american pie (great movie btw) when i was like 10.

So now we have a kid who cant go to his parents for help cause he/she feels that he/she isnt allowed to hav opinions and most people who are young(all the ones iv ever been around) get the vibe that sex is somehow wrong from the adults and doing it makes you a bad person and who learns about relationships from TV and never questions anything on it which tells them sex should be had. So now if they have sex they are bad for doing it but if they dont have sex they are bad for not doing it. Either way they are bad. Kinda gives a person a bad self image. That effects self confidence and makes people do worse at everything cause they dont believe in themselves farther worsening their self confidence and its kind of an endless cycle. This is not always the case by any means but its just something i notice a lot.

theres a lot of places the problem can be fixed from. For instance a parent can fix it by talking to thier kid honestly instead of over sheltering them from the real world. Or a friend can fix it if they talk about it enough and the kid who would have had media induced bad self image eventually sees that thats not the only option. The TV being the only influence also effects a lot of other things like how women should look and how much looks matter and how you have to be the best and for us guys that we have to score with women and have drunken parties and how your girlfriend has to be hot.

I could probly say more about this but im lazy and i already typed like a page worth. Maybe if anyone thinks that what im saying has some truth to it il post more. Or not, i could be lazy. Anyway if you think any of what im saying is wrong PLEASE tell me and please dont be mean about it. I realize that you may have other experiences and id like to learn from them so i can be more accurate and help people better in the future as well as possibly enjoy my life better. Also if its wrong i apologize and i didnt mean to be.

It all has to do with who Controls the Media. This is all done on purpose to degrade our women and eliminate the bond between men and women. It is another attack by the NWO against the minds of the people.

[QUOTE=Lord R;209952]It all has to do with who Controls the Media. This is all done on purpose to degrade our women and eliminate the bond between men and women. It is another attack by the NWO against the minds of the people.[/QUOTE]

Its all for the sake of profit and its time for goverments to step in and say f u c k profits lets have some reality and decency and honesty

[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;203543]Nonsense, Newtolove, if you can "leave time for family" then you do. If you cannot, or do not wish to, which is your right, then you don't. Too much 'domesticity' is often just as bad as too little.[/QUOTE]

so you say its normal and right that if I were to have children but could only find night work (and the job centre expect me to take it cause they get like that) I would work at night not see my children because they are at school during the day ?
you obviously have not been on the job sercing scene we have to take jobs that mean sacrifice because there are no other jobs and it all revolves around the company running 24 hours a day and making 3 times the profit without making bigger work places

Newtolove - I was in the USAF for 20 years and during that time I was deployed many times, worked 12 hour shifts, worked days, nights, holidays etc and so forth - DON'T try to tell me that I do not understand what working and sacrificing for your family means.

Yes, I expect you to take whatever employment you can get. I expect you to do any and everything to support your kids.

[QUOTE=Newtolove;209966]Its all for the sake of profit and its time for goverments to step in and say f u c k profits lets have some reality and decency and honesty[/QUOTE]

That is very statist of you. The problem itself is the government. The United States government was hijacked when they accepted the Federal Reserve System. The same people control the media and want to weaken/destroy the nation. If you look closely it is through sexulization,ethnic cleansing, over taxation, multiculturalism just to name a few.

Meyer Rothschild Said
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild"

[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;209979]. I expect you to do any and everything to support your kids.[/QUOTE]

I don't have any kids and with the work patterns forced on people nowadays (in the UK) I think I won't bother

[QUOTE=Lord R;209982]That is very statist of you. The problem itself is the government. The United States government was hijacked when they accepted the Federal Reserve System. The same people control the media and want to weaken/destroy the nation. If you look closely it is through sexulization,ethnic cleansing, over taxation, multiculturalism just to name a few.

Meyer Rothschild Said
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild"[/QUOTE]

yea to my mind the goverment is fast becoming a private useless entity, having given mkost services over to private companies theres not much left for them to do but do us

[QUOTE=Newtolove;209985]yea to my mind the goverment is fast becoming a private useless entity, having given mkost services over to private companies theres not much left for them to do but do us[/QUOTE]

The problem is that the Federal government is supposed to be restricted to defense. Everything else was supposed to be left to states. This is the big issue of states rights

[quote=Lord R;210126]The problem is that the Federal government is supposed to be restricted to defense. Everything else was supposed to be left to states. This is the big issue of states rights[/quote]Federal government imposes regs and the states follow accordingly unless they are chartered. The federal government holds the Constitutional rights which States cannot overturn. For example FDA is not limited to defense issues yet must follow their jurisdictional authority. Such authority is granted through agency actions.

Added:

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_1741500781/united_states_government....

[QUOTE=sera300;210129]Federal government imposes regs and the states follow accordingly unless they are chartered. The federal government holds the Constitutional rights which States cannot overturn. For example FDA is not limited to defense issues yet must follow their jurisdictional authority. Such authority is granted through agency actions.[/QUOTE]

Which is unconstitutional.

When you go overseas, do you say I'm a Virginian or do you say you're an American. Get real people! We fought The Civil War from 1860 to 1865 - let it go already.

[quote=Lord R;210130]Which is unconstitutional.[/quote]No, not precisely. Individual states cannot run rampant and do as they wish, they have some latitude. However the governing authority is the federal government which is encompassed by the three branches (Judicial, Executive, and Leg.) of government to ensure a system of checks and balances. The US Constitution gives such power to the Federal Government to regulate in the best interest of Public Policy issues. The remainder is a "trickle down" approach.

Lord R:

Looking through your profile and see you are a "white supremest" and several of the post you have linked to your org demonstrate an inference that women & people of other ethnicity are "different" whereas some of the posts on the site sate they do not mind a non-caucasian person in their neighborhood; however, profiling of minorities are generally correct.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/interracial-dating-movies...

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/jewish-neoconservatives-4...

I find such views offensive in this forum...especially when you place the link to your Public Profile.

[QUOTE=sera300;210134]No, not precisely. Individual states cannot run rampant and do as they wish, they have some latitude. However the governing authority is the federal government which is encompassed by the three branches (Judicial, Executive, and Leg.) of government to ensure a system of checks and balances. The US Constitution gives such power to the Federal Government to regulate in the best interest of Public Policy issues. The remainder is a "trickle down" approach.[/QUOTE]

I believe that I am correct. Many of the agencies have been started by the president that regulate business. They were instituted without any say from congress thus unconstitutional.

[QUOTE=sera300;210138]Lord R:

Looking through your profile and see you are a "white supremest" and several of the post you have linked to your org demonstrate an inference that women & people of other ethnicity are "different" whereas some of the posts on the site sate they do not mind a non-caucasian person in their neighborhood; however, profiling of minorities are generally correct.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/interracial-dating-movies...

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/jewish-neoconservatives-4...

I find such views offensive in this forum...especially when you place the link to your Public Profile.[/QUOTE]

I really dislike that label "white supremacist" it is only used in attacking people of a different opinion. The only thing that is static on that website is that the people are proud to be white. They want to save their country from multiculturalism and conserve their traditions. I do not see a problem with this.

Thank God we still have some semblance of free speech here in the West. Nowhere does it say that you have the right not to be offended. If the moderators wish for me to remove it they can pm me and I will gladly do so. I will hold to what I believe to be correct.