Breathing and heart rate problems after orgasm could be supplement related

[loverofcurves]

Dear Everybody:
I am 51 heterosexual married for over 10 years in very good marriage meaning a healthy sex life and strictly monogamous. Ok I am over weight (294) I was heavier! But none the less I am endeavoring to lose weight on high protein low carb diet with regular exercise. I have some blood circulation problems with edema in the left leg with water retention. I am under a doctor's care and I am taking Lasix which is helping. Lastly I have a congenital shortage of testosterone for which I Administer a topical hormonal gel. Again proscribed by a doctor /edcrinologist. Beyond that I am active and in reasonably good health.
Early this summer I began to experience problems with maintaining an erection and of course was not pleased with that! Further I seemed to have a problem with PE. That seems to abating with extended masturbation sessions as I am sure you mave have read EEk and others discuss on the site. In relation to the former I began a regimen of herbal supplements based on some GNC products specifically Staminol,Horny goat weed and the macca man formula. In addition I was also taking tyrosine,2 B-6 200 mg and Novodex which supresses prolactin and helps with shortening refractory time. Btw it really works.

Now here is the problem I find that if I take this whole cocktail say within 2 hours prior to a bedroom session with Mrs LOC and after orgasm I feel my heart race and I have acute shortness of breath to the point of feeling like I am drowning!!! I can't get enough air!! This persists 10-20 minutes. At first I thought it was too much stuff with the same ingrediants so i leaned out the mix eliminating the horny Goat Weed and the Maca man. This last Saturday again I took the Staminol,the B-6 ,the Novodex and the Tyrosine. Again after climaxing (this time twice) I had these breathing spasms greatly alarming Mrs LOC!.

So here is my querey -I do think I need a little help with circulation to aid my erections but I want to do it in as healthy a way as possible and I do not want viagra. I am walking a half hour per day around rolling terrain. I believe as I lose more weight my sexual performance will improve so I don't want to be dependent on any pills in the long run. So for now should I still take the same supplements I am taking minus the the two that have been left out but take them earlier before any playtime with my wife? OR dump the Staminol? here is a link to GNC with the ingredients
GNC Staminol™ - GNC - GNC
I am concerned about the Epimedium Extract and the Muira root as in Muira Parna. I think that the speed element of this perhaps too much. Here is what puzzles me. When I take it say 3 hours or more away from any bedroom time things are normal and I do get some nice erections. It only seems that when I take it approx 1 hour or less prior that I get these problems is there a conflict between the biochemical chain of events when orgasm occurs and the ingredients of this supplement? I feel like too much is pulling on my heart all at once and I cant get enough air whilst my heart is racing away like a 12 cylinder Jaguar engine!! Oh sometimes I get a stuffy nose and forget to take my Nasacor (think flonase) to clear my sinuses. Do I abandon this product entirley and take the other items which do seem helpful with out any side effects at all. Or take it later? Would any of you know about or have tried nonperscription item that you would reccomend for promoting better erections that would not have such a stimultive whallop and would be 50+ heart friendly? I am not expecting anything like the crazy ads on line promise. Just a helpful nudge to my system. Again weight loss,exercise and sensible diet are the real answers. I just need somethingto help me while i am working on my weight I thank you Very Kindly and await your reply. Tonight I will take all the other items ie the B-6,the Ltyrosine,one 1000mg L-arginine tablet,and the Novodex a little closer and see if there are any ill effects. I will report back tomorrow. If you get back to me this evening that would be great!

Cheers and Greetings from the beautiful Hudson Valley,New York,
Karl Strohmeyer

[loverofcurves]

I forgot to mention I do not smoke-anything- and I am very occaisonal & light drinker like a glass of wine with dinner.
Karl

[Brandye]

Good for you. You do not smoke and drink very responsibly. You weigh 21 stone and walk half an hour each day. And you are ignoring your body's plea to give it a break. Did you ever notice that the adverts for erectile dysfunction drugs always recommend "check with your doctor to ensure you are healthy enough for sex?" Well, you are not. At least not healthy enough to be forcing it. You are on a regimen of of legitimate drugs under the supervision of a physician. I shall assume they are needed and are doing what they should be doing. Then, you are dumping a load of unknowable crap into your system and wondering why a deleterious effect.

"All natural, can't hurt!" So is snake venom, hemlock and curare. Care for some of those? The various ingredients in the various potions are, in some cases, folk remedies for sexual dysfunction or prostate problems. Their efficacy has never been tested and documented (few exceptions). Appropriate dosage has not been established. Interactions among them and with pharmaceutical drugs is not known for many of them. My guess is that your advisor has been a sales clerk at the GNC backed up with a little light reading and internet search. Some of the ingredients of the stuff you are using is in the pharmacopeia of homeopaths and some are used by naturopathic physicians. If either of these are legal/licensed/available in the beautiful Hudson Valley, talk with them. I am among the unusual allopathic physicians who actually refer to both homeopathic and naturopathic physicians. I sure as hell do not refer to GNC! Not even the Scottish division.

Your body is screaming for help! Your wife is quite right to be concerned. You could kill yourself. Whilst crediting you with intending the right things, a half hour's walk does not impress me. A good screwing takes more energy than a walk around the hill. And, leaving you gasping and pounding, sex is overtaxing your cardiovascular system.

Diddling around to adjust a mite of this and a bit of that is meaningless. The crap is giving you a placebo effect that is causing you to overtax your cardio-vascular system.

Sit down with your doctor, after a stress test, and establish what level of activity (sexual and otherwise) is appropriate. Down another five stone will improve it all. Lay out all the supplements you may want to add and get the doctor's advice. My advice is to save your money. All the sexual enhancement drugs are marketed as hope - the same as the cosmetics I spend a fortune on and use little of.

You appear to be trying to be very scientific in your self-dosing. The problem is that you are using stuff with no scientific basis. And balance your diet. Too much protein and not enough carbohydrate is just as bad as the opposite.

My recommendation to Mrs LOC is to cut you off until a cardiologist has been told your story, tested you and given you the green light.

I suspect your friend, BadBadCat, knew exactly what I would say.

[loverofcurves]

THUMP !!OUCH!! BASH !!EEK!! Ok thank you I apreciate the candor and will stop all the supplements. Supprisingly my blood pressure is 132 over 80 and my chlosterol is artound 180. we're goingto have at this evening (gently) no supplements and see what happens. if the problem reemerges then fine, Perhaps I didn't make this clear. This ONLY happens WHEN i take the supplements an hour before or less before hand.. I have not had these problems until very lately even when I was heavier. This is not to dispute your over all arguement that I need to see a cardiologist and think sensibly. so what are you saying cut back on what i am doing to a sustainable level and build back up as I lose weight? If so I think I should really consider it. don't worry about hurting my feelings you're being honest as I would expect a friend & a good doctor to be!.
Appreciatevley Yours,
Karl

[lnt1103]

No offense, but it seems obvious--if the shortness of breath and heart palpitations only happen when you take this stuff, stop taking it. The last thing you want to do is risk leaving it on Mrs. LOC's conscience that something horrendous happened to you after (because of?) a session.

[loverofcurves]

Agreed and no arguement it's in the trash can! Thanks! i was just saying that I got the impresion from Brandeye that she may of thought this what I was like EVERY time I made love with Mrs LOC. Not at all!! Oh the problems are only in coisidence wit hthis stuff and it's OUT. and BTW a half hour walk is about 2 miles!
Karl

[Brandye]

The normal military march is two and one-half miles per hour. Get a good topographic map and lay out some routes of varying lengths. Then time yourself and set goals.

Dump the low carb diet and figure out what your caloric limit should be, likely 2000 or 2500 calories, with your doctor. Then get out the food guidelines (every nation has them) and figure out what to eat. Your wife will be very helpful with this. Those who use gimmick diets, Atkins, South Beach, Grapefruit, whatever, lose in the short term but usually end up heavier a year in future. The balance is key to maintaining a healthy weight.

With exercise goals and weight loss goals, you make a big spreadsheet and get going. All this after seeing a cardio.

Two international weight loss groups, Weight Watchers and Jenny Craig, have good guidelines. You do not have to eat their dog food but follow those principles and you will have a healthy diet.

I am glad you accepted the advice on supplements. About a year ago we had a young man on a supplement kick who suddenly could not get it up. He was mega-dosing on a supplement with a known side effect of erectile dysfunction. The seller of crap at his gym had not mentioned that. Likely because he was not aware.

[EvilEvilKitten]

And this is why I sent him to you, Brandye! Love it when you lay it out!

[funinthesun]

Originally Posted by Brandye

I am glad you accepted the advice on supplements. About a year ago we had a young man on a supplement kick who suddenly could not get it up. He was mega-dosing on a supplement with a known side effect of erectile dysfunction. The seller of crap at his gym had not mentioned that. Likely because he was not aware.

On a related note, I found that same supplement on the list of ingredients for Monster energy drinks. For those who find themselves in need of energy, get it from exercise and sleep! (or even sexercise!)