Hey, don't worry, I wasn't offended either.

-smiles- Hey wingflv,
    Most of the people on these boards are very understanding and accepting of everyones personal preferences, views, beliefs etc.  With my post above I was not offended, I was merely worried that you might be saying something that would be offending someone.  As tease pointed out in her post.  Don't worry, I'm sure you didn't offend anyone and if you did I believe that post would have settled things. -smiles- welcome to the boards man.

But despite what he meant, I don't think calling them dirty was appropriate.  That's just me though.  *shrug*

And again, I agree with the others.  I don't think it's right to get them all worked up and then not let them get a release.
I have infact done it a couple times.. not by choice, but by lack of time and it personally doesn't make me feel all that great that I left him like that.  He doesn't blame me cause it's not my fault by time's fult, but I still feel bad.

And this rarely happens, but I disagree with demon on the fact that oral sex is sex.
I personally classify sex as penetration.
Oral is just oral to me. I mean, it's a serious thing, and I don't think it should be treated like it's a form of kissing, like kids these days do. It is an intimate thing to me. But, I don't classify it as "sex". I guess I sort of classify it as a foreplay type of things.

yeah I think that's what he meant Starr. Which it all depends on how you look at it. I agree that they aren't necessarily "dirty" but they ain't virginal either lol.

I agree w/ Wally in the statement that that is just being cruel. To turn someone on and get them totally worked up, hott, and horny, and then just leave them like that, w/ no release. I'd rather not get worked up at all.
Yeah it teases and increases the anticipation, but one can only handle that for so long.
I don't think there is anything wrong or "dirty" about having an orgasm. Im not suggesting you have oral sex, b/c I agree oral sex is sex. But if you guys are going to be touchy feely and exploring, then orgasms just might happen....lol.

Its strange I was actually having this conversation this afternoon and I think what he meant (correct me if I'm wrong)
is that you get the girls out there who put on the innocent face and say "but I'm a a good little girl pure as the day I was born...I'm a virgin" but they've done everything under the sun apart from have a penis put inside them...

[QUOTE=Quote (wingfiv @ Sep. 14 2004,19:29)]I want to drive her nuts in bed, but I don't want her to orgasm.[/QUOTE]
Most people (women and men, including me!) would label that statement as quite "cruel."

I hope you've been honest with this girl and told her all the things you don't believe in. Wanting to remain a virgin is one thing; but this is, um, well... weird, assuming you've said what you mean and meant what you said!

Well, honestly, I see the only way to remain "clean" (by your terms) is to just keep the kissing and nothing more.

The only thing that's really not a form of sex in some way is kissing. Even fondling is a form of sex.
There is no way to really take it a "step further" without going to oral.

Touching can be considered "dirty". You are touching someone's private areas and exploring someone elses body..which, if you want to remain a pure virgin, you don't do.

So, I really don't know how to help you.
I don't think there is such a thing as "sex without sex" unless you include such things as oral sex and touching and fingering (all of which can lead to orgasms).

And I just want to add that I agree with the person above me. Just because you give and/or receive sex, and you're still a vaginal virgin, you shouldn't be called "dirty".

Hello wingflv,
I'm not a lady so I'm not going to give any advice on foreplay for you here.

But just thought I might want to give my two cents. There are some girls who don't enjoy oral sex and there are some that do. However i don't think girls that do give oral sex should be called "dirty". It's certainly being biased and we try not to be on these boards. You could easily go around and say a girl whose been on second base (fingering, handjobs) would be dirty as well, and even then kissing could be considered so. Maybe it would be prudent to keep an open mind -smiles-

It's all about tolerance.

And the fact "words don't mean; people mean." Ultimately, we each give our own definition to words like "virgin" and "dirty." (Notice the number of posts that include "I think what he meant was...")

Communication is not an exact science.

I actually sorta like the word "dirty." It fits with "naughty" and suggests something playful and perhaps "on the edge."

LOL

I also sometimes chuckle at how people will keep altering the definition of virgin based (apparently) on what they've done. ("It slipped in just for a second! I'm still a virgin, right?") But that doesn't make them "bad" people. At the other extreme, there are people who define virginity very narrowly. That's their right as well and it doesn't make them "bad" people either.

The point of my earlier post was that I think it's important both partners agree on the definitions and the "do's and don'ts." I was frankly confused by the original post... it sounded like a request for techniques to drive the woman wild without an orgasm, based on a fairly narrow definition of "virginity" and list of "I won't do..." I was certainly not offended, merely wondered if she might be!?