Can silicone based lubes be used for anal sex?

[Spicygirl82]

Hi everyone. Can silicone based lubes be used for anal sex?

[Brandye]

Yes. But .... rub some silicone lube on your hands and then try to get it off. It will not wash away; you have to wait for it wear away. The old-fashioned water based are enough for most activities.

[Spicygirl82]

Originally Posted by Brandye

Yes. But .... rub some silicone lube on your hands and then try to get it off. It will not wash away; you have to wait for it wear away. The old-fashioned water based are enough for most activities.

Ah yeah. I never really thought about that. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

[Blink]

Originally Posted by Brandye

The old-fashioned water based are enough for most activities.

Brandye, is the following at all significant minus disease-transmission concerns?

"Recently, Phillips et al. demonstrated that rectal application of N-9 resulted in sloughing of surface epithelia. Hyperosmolar fluids have been shown to induce similar changes in the distal colon. Because many water-based personal lubricants are hyperosmolar, such formulations, applied rectally, may induce similar damage."
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi...10.1086/511279

[sera300]

Originally Posted by Blink

Brandye, is the following at all significant minus disease-transmission concerns?

"Recently, Phillips et al. demonstrated that rectal application of N-9 resulted in sloughing of surface epithelia. Hyperosmolar fluids have been shown to induce similar changes in the distal colon. Because many water-based personal lubricants are hyperosmolar, such formulations, applied rectally, may induce similar damage."
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi...10.1086/511279

I would not use a lubricant with a Spermicide for anal--ouch! I can see where any lube, water based or not, with a spermicide would be damaging; silicone would be uncomfortable as well since the activity even with a water based causes skin cell damage. If you read the "Methods" of the study and the outcomes much is explained.

Blink...I would think your only answer, or true/valid question, is to use the spermicide in the vagina and a PLAIN water based lube with no spermicide for anal!!! For geez sake why would you put that nox 9 or any spermicide in the anus? This has to do with the small micro-tears which occur on women [or men receiving anal] due to the stretching and the lack of normal use [intended for a one way EXIT] being painful...OUCH !

The micro-tears associated with anal intercourse regardless of; N-9, detergents, poly or latex condoms, etc. will result in tissue damage since the anal cavity is not naturally intended to withstand such tissue damage. Add any compound and the result of damage and pain manifests. The vaginal canal is a different tissue structure [tougher] v. colon wall [rectum/sphincter muscle] structures by the mere layering of tissue.

[Blink]

Yikes, sera... Please pay a little more attention before responding next time. You've completely failed to answer my actual question, which was: Is that physical damage (sloughing of surface epithelia) significant by itself? It's a given that such damage makes disease transmission easier. Without that concern (hypothetically, let's say both parties are disease-free), does it matter that the epithelium might slough off?

Originally Posted by sera300

I would not use a lubricant with a Spermicide for anal--ouch!

I wouldn't have anal sex period; my question is purely of an academic nature.

The micro-tears associated with anal intercourse regardless of; N-9, detergents, poly or latex condoms, etc. will result in tissue damage since the anal cavity is not naturally intended to withstand such tissue damage.

Yeah, I've seen Brandye state as much before, and I agree 100%.

[sera300]

Originally Posted by Blink

Yikes, sera... Please pay a little more attention before responding next time. You've completely failed to answer my actual question, which was: Is that physical damage (sloughing of surface epithelia) significant by itself? It's a given that such damage makes disease transmission easier. Without that concern (hypothetically, let's say both parties are disease-free), does it matter that the epithelium might slough off?


I wouldn't have anal sex period; my question is purely of an academic nature.


Yeah, I've seen Brandye state as much before, and I agree 100%.

Blink perhaps you do not understand even what you wrote: Is this of any validity, the study?

It's based on using a spermicide and scoping people. You ask about is this significant "minus" the STD point? The body will expel the lubricant if it's just silicone or water; add anal friction? Might end up with an a form of rejection reaction; may not. The damage is from the action of anal which the study is not looking at. Look up tissue damage and anal sex; later add a foregn body to a wounded area and look at the degree of damage & risks.

Again tissue damage is significant and why use any foreign product? What to you think is used during a scoping? KY jelly...nothing else and it's used sparingly.

Your question makes no sense. Where did your study point out normal soughing of the skin? It discussed topicals in scoping & long term damage.

Don't act like an fool with is; this of "any significance minus the disease factor? for academic reasons".

Their are small tears during anal...don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure that out.The whole study talks about damage & HIV.

The MAINSTAY of any issue is whenever a foreign body/object/chemical is placed in the human body or onto the human body there is a reaction. It can be damaging, rejected, or damage tissue. Always using the closest to natural is the best. And using practices which the nature intended is best for the body. The less invasive the better; which comes back to the point of KY or water based lubes even for unintended purposes.

[Blink]

Originally Posted by sera300

It's based on using a spermicide and scoping people.

No, it's not. The study that I linked to mentioned a previous study on a spermicide, N-9. The linked study in question discusses hyperosmolar water-based lubricants ONLY. The word spermicide doesn't even appear in the article.

Where did your study point out normal soughing of the skin?

"Recently, Phillips et al. demonstrated that rectal application of N-9 resulted in sloughing of surface epithelia [this is the rectal lining, not skin]. Hyperosmolar fluids have been shown to induce similar changes in the distal colon."

Many water-based lubes are hyperosmolar, per the study--No spermicide required to cause epithelial sloughing.

Your question makes no sense. ... Their are small tears during anal...

"Small tears" does not equal "stripping off epithelium." My question, which was not addressed by the study, was whether or not stripping off the epithelium is significant by itself (IOW: Does it enable friction to cause worse damage to the remaining lower layers more easily? Is it reason enough to avoid lubes that may strip the epithelial layer?).

I'm thinking that silicone lubes might be better for anal sex than hyperosmolar water-based ones, but I could be mistaken... Which is why I asked Brandye this question in the first place.

Anyway, forget that I even asked about this. I'll PM Brandye and hopefully get better results, not insults.

[sera300]

Did you read the bottom of the link? It talks of Nox.9...perhaps the cause of confusion of why????

I did not understand you point of trying to clinically correlate them. It's the degree of damage of anal and the spermicide. If you wanted her thoughts only; why post it for the general population; especially when one has a significant medical background?

BTW: Sorry for being a pain in the rump...I had a bad day...did not intend to take it out on you or anyone else.

[Brandye]

I do not know which is "best." Water based are the old standbys and I have never heard of anyone having a reaction to them. Silicone certainly lasts longer. As long as there is any trace left, it will help. My problem with those is that those traces may last a very long time and it is not stuff that I really want in my when water is an alternative.

I do not allow anal penetration and so do not worry about his. The studies you cite are nice little academic exercises but whether or not there is any practical advice that can be inferred is another question.

If you are this concerned about the dangers of one lube vs another, why allow penile penetration of your anus? This is more damaging than any common lube.