Seen people on Magic Mushrooms...not a pretty picture when they are tripping. Let me tell you; I would not do it ever.

> i also want to experience new things, safely.
the mushrooms we have are from a trustworthy source (as trustworthy as you can get in these situations...) and aren't particuarly potent. we have a safe location and plenty of time to let nature take its course.
i see it as an interesting opportunity. i'd rather do mushrooms a few times in my life than smoke pot every weekend.

It seems to me that this logic is where naivety and trust butt heads.

Trustworthy source? What's the proof? Do not take someone else's word.
Aren't particularly potent? " " " "
Safe location? So what. If the drug is going work it's "magic" then location won't necessarily make things better. It's the drug located in your body that should concern you, not the location of you.

> i'd rather do mushrooms a few times in my life than smoke pot every weekend.

How can you say this until you have first hand knowledge? This is just wishful thinking. I've seen TV magazine shows about people who just took "a little" LSD and continue to be messed up in the head decades later.

It is fine to want to experience new things, yet your story makes me think you are younger than 22 and if this is true, you have one major disadvantage and stumbling block to your maturity and development, that is that you cannot predict the consequences of your actions, or "see around corners". This is because the frontal lobe of the brain has not yet fully developed. If you are older, then you are just stupid for wanting to go ahead with this plan.

I'm curious how you justify this being an OK thing to do. If it really was, don't you think the majority of the rest of us would have done or be continuing to eat them? Sera is absolutely right, yet I doubt you will listen to either of us--and she is the one with ER experience! Don't let curiosity maim you or kill you like it did the cat. Be satisfied with your curiosity and the words and experiences of others. Experience other things, things that are not potentially dangerous. Just because several people had no bad reactions is no reason to be the next guy in line. It would be terrible to discover too late that you were the one person it did have a bad effect upon.

LSD is one of the worse drugs to get into you system. There are no safe types which are okay. Additionally, you have no idea how your body will react to it. You can have flashbacks & seizures which are so unpredictable. Also, the uncontrolled rage from hallucinating? I have tied too many down for that one. It takes the strength of about 8-10 people and will not take a patient unless I have a cop with a gun. It's a close parallel to crack.

Chiba:
Please re-think---please. I've seen this stuff seriously screw people up; the paranoia, visual hallucinations, seizures, and flashbacks. Trust me; I'd rather you go out and dodge traffic.

Speaking as someone who has actually done this before - YOU'RE RETARDED.

You seriously think being on "shrooms" is gonna be fun? Sorry - it isn't. It's more like being part of some whacked-out M.C. Escher horror movie that you have no control of. When your cat starts talking to you and things get scary, you don't get to quit. There's no "off" button. Trust me, kissing is not going to be on your agenda - everyone is going to be "out to get you".

You haven't even experienced marijuana yet and you're thinking about going straight into something like this? Good luck to you - I just hope you don't get stabbed to death by one of your friends or suffer any long term brain damage...

[quote=oedipussy;211667]
You seriously think being on "shrooms" is gonna be fun? Sorry - it isn't. It's more like being part of some whacked-out M.C. Escher horror movie that you have no control of. When your cat starts talking to you and things get scary, you don't get to quit. There's no "off" button. Trust me, kissing is not going to be on your agenda - everyone is going to be "out to get you".[/quote]

This is the truth...the hallucinations are awful. There is no way to stop it either. If you get to a hospital? You get tied to a stretcher while you see bugs on the wall and snakes creeping on the floor, all the time screaming & no one can help you...No medical relief for this. Then you get put on the psych floor or off to the police. Think this through; this is the worse choice you can make.
Look up the history of Timothy Leary and the Hitchcock Estate. Know how many people are presumed missing due to this? And it's right around the corner from me...G. Gordon Liddy ended the nonsense.

Yes, the hallucinations are terrible. This is such a bad idea...

And don't think that your friends are going to be there for you when you do this, either. The high point of my experience was when my then-girlfriend attacked me with a frying pan because I was "one of them" and I woke up duct-taped in the bathtub. We basically spent the whole day trying to kill each other and running away from imaginary monsters... I vaguely recall being chased by a swarm of flying toasters.

[QUOTE=oedipussy;211673]Yes, the hallucinations are terrible. This is such a bad idea...

And don't think that your friends are going to be there for you when you do this, either. The high point of my experience was when my then-girlfriend attacked me with a frying pan because I was "one of them" and I woke up duct-taped in the bathtub. We basically spent the whole day trying to kill each other and running away from imaginary monsters... I vaguely recall being chased by a swarm of flying toasters.[/QUOTE]

sounds like a scene from fear and loathing in las vegas haha

i'm 22 and i've done LSD and 'shrooms as well as smoking pot for most of my teenage years.

to be honest, i didnt have a bad experience, however LSD/'shrooms are definately not a good idea to do if you havent done any other drugs before.

im not saying its a good idea to do ANY drugs, my point is that those 2 are probably the 2 most intense things you could possibly take.

with mushrooms, i dont 125 liberty caps and i didnt have any real intense hallucinations although a lot of stuff did start moving and it took about 2 or 3 days before it fully wore off.

LSD, i done 3 tabs and again didnt have much in the way of hallucinations although i was lucky to be in a familiar surrounding with close friends who i knew i could trust not to try and spin me out for fun.

IF you do decide to do it, just make sure you have someone you would trust with your life (preferably in a sober state of mind) to keep you out of harms way. and make sure its in a familiar surrounding where you feel totally safe otherwise you'll probably start freaking out big time...

that said, i wouldnt encourage that sort of thing to anyone although ultimately its your choice.

[quote=oedipussy;211673]Yes, the hallucinations are terrible. This is such a bad idea...

And don't think that your friends are going to be there for you when you do this, either. The high point of my experience was when my then-girlfriend attacked me with a frying pan because I was "one of them" and I woke up duct-taped in the bathtub. We basically spent the whole day trying to kill each other and running away from imaginary monsters... I vaguely recall being chased by a swarm of flying toasters.[/quote] That sounds about right...duct taped in the tub huh? WOW! I don't think people have an understanding of what this LSD is about...and they wonder why many were missing on the estate years ago. Its bad news...big time.

The one issue is the strength of those on LSD or Crack...I have seen some very small women throw officers across the room...big guys too. I will not touch one...he can have a gun & shoot first before taking an injury or being harmed by some of these.

It has been many years since i was wacked out on mushy's
and i can still recall the stories my mates told me of what happened
I apparently was chasing a group of trees that were talking to me
telling me they were going to eat me. I had a knife trying to defend myself
against the "evil tree's"

My mate and her boyfriend were not so lucky. she saw him as half horse half man. (she had a phobia of horses since childhood) she beat him so bad he spent alot of time in hospital...

Apparently for the onlookers it was very disturbing.

Please don't be an idiot and think its going to be an awesome experience
I have had many of friends who have had so many bad trips off mushrooms.

Ive done both shrooms and acid and the shroom trip was a lot better... acid lasts WAYYYY too long... like 12 hrs... shrooms... I was down in about 4-5 hrs.
I never did a lot of either tho, I'd do one hit of acid while my friend would do a 10 strip.
The shrooms we boiled into a liquid and mixed w/ sugar and grape kool-aid. I can't imagine eating them on a pizza would do any good. W/ the kool-aid... you just needed a small glass and it hit you w/in 15 min. Acid takes like 45 min to an hour to kick in!

Um and yea making out or having sex was the last thing on my mind... we just listened to Jimi hendrix and sat outside watching the sky. It was cool for me... felt like I was in the ocean... the trees were flowy and the sky was breathing...lol.

I did smoke pot b/c I did acid/shrooms... it's good to at least know what some sort of "high" feels like...b/c like oedi said... once you've taken it... there's no "off button".
At least w/ weed... an hour later (and a lot of snackies) you pretty much aren't buzzed anymore.

You're quoting sources with an apparent pro-hallucinogenic agenda.

No amount of research can prepare you for what actually being under the influence of these drugs is like. Go ahead - try it for yourself and find out. Just don't say no one warned you...

As far the "comfortable environment" theory - I personally believe that's total bull****. It's not your surrounding that control your experience - it's the drugs themselve's and your brain's reaction to them. The experience I wrote about earlier took place in my own home. How much more comfortable can it get?

For informational purposes, I suggest you read some of William Burroughs' essays on the topic - he was a drug user himself but never sugarcoated anything. He's written quite extensively about these things and is probably the most legitimate source for information you can find.

The essay in particular that I read was included in Naked Lunch - I believe it was an excerpt from The Yage Letters, but I'm not sure...

Ok, this is such a stupid premise for a thread that I'm having a hard time trying to understand why the OP is so determined to f**k himself up.

Drugs. Don't bloody do them.

Have you ever seen a man on LSD using a rusty craft knife to open up his own arm, giggling like a loon whilst we called an ambulance and tried to stop him from bleeding to death?

Or seen a group of 15 year old girls think they can fly off the roof of a 20 storey building whilst high on crack?

Or seen a 22 year old collapse from a massive OD before dieing of dehydration?

Just don't start. There is no benefit, and everything to lose.

haha my cousin tried it once. She said it was kinda weird. And then afterwards she thought her hamburger was trying to eat her Talk about weird.

It makes me wonder what sex on ectasy is like though. Aparently it is like 1 million times better cuz everything feels amazing. Even the simplest touch its orgasmic lol

haha I'm sure the sex would be amazing with the risk of falling over dead, but eh life is life right? =p. My opinion is she has viewed all the precautions from everyone and did some research, whether it was valid research or not, she did some hunting. I've had my roomies try them once out camping and they said it was so bad they will never again. These are guys that get high regularly, meaning smoking a bowl 2 around 2-3times a day. To each their own though. If she feels her way of letting loose and enjoying life is by drugging up and seeing stuff on the trippy side then so be it. I'm sure everyone views carpe diem in their own way. Most grow up experiencing things as we age and learn right from wrong, while also noticing common sense vs insanity. To me drugs in general arent my thing, just how I am raised and how I am. Heh I been through my share of wild things, but altering your body in a harmful way that isnt intended to happen is a no in my book. Good luck with what you choose, either chasing a magic butterfly in a dreamworld, or just kicking back having laughs with friends.

I did some legwork for you and found some of Burroughs' musings on the subject (which were harder to find than I thought!). Hopefully you'll find it somewhat helpful, as he has experience and a fairly neutral viewpoint:

[QUOTE]"I think [hallucinogens are] dangerous, much more dangerous than heroin. They can produce overwhelming anxiety states. I've seen people try to throw themselves out of windows; whereas the heroin addict is mainly interested in staring at his own toe. Other than deprivation of the drug, the main threat to him is an overdose. I've tried most of the hallucinogens without an anxiety reaction, fortunately. LSD-25 produced results for me similar to mescaline. Like all hallucinogens, LSD gave me an increased awareness, more a hallucinated viewpoint than any actual hallucination. You might look at a doorknob and it will appear to revolve, although you are conscious that this is a result of the drug. Also, van Goghish colors, with all those swirls, and the crackle of the universe. ... I had my most interesting experiences with mescaline when I got outdoors and walked around-colors, sunsets, gardens. It produces a terrible hangover, though, nasty stuff. It makes one ill and interferes with coordination. I've had all the interesting effects I need, and I don't want any repetition of those extremely unpleasant physical reactions.(www.abebooks.com/docs/RareBooks/william-burroughs.shtml)"[/QUOTE]

On Bannisteria (apparently similar to LSD/psilocybin) and mescaline:

[QUOTE] Bannisteria caapi is a fast growing vine. The active principle is apparently found throughout the wood of the fresh cut vine. The inner bark is considered most active, and the leaves are never used. It takes a considerable quantity of the vine to feel the full effects of the drug. About five pieces of vine each eight inches long are needed for one person. The vine is crushed and boiled for two or more hours with the leaves of a bush identified as Palicourea sp. rubiaceae.

Yage or Ayuahusca (the most commonly used Indian names for Bannisteria caapi) is a hallucinating narcotic that produces a profound derangement of the senses. In overdose it is a strong convulsant poison. The antidote is a barbiturate or other strong, anti-convulsant sedative. Anyone taking Yage for the first time should have a sedative ready in the event of an overdose.

The hallucinating properties of Yage have led to its use by Medicine Men to potentiate their powers. They also use it as a cure-all in the treatment of various illnesses. Yage lowers the body temperature and consequently is of some use in the treatment of fever. It is a powerful antihelminthic, indicated for treatment of stomach or intestinal worms. Yage induces a state of conscious anesthesia, and is used in rites where the initiates must undergo a painful ordeal like whipping with knotted vines, or exposure to the sting of ants.

I did not observe any ill effects that could be attributed to the use of Yage. The Medicine Men who use it continuously in the line of duty seem to enjoy normal health. Tolerance is soon acquired so that one can drink the extract without nausea or other ill effect.

Yage is a unique narcotic. Yage intoxication is in some respects similar to intoxication with hashish. In both instances there is a shift of viewpoint, an extension of consciousness beyond ordinary experience. But Yage produces a deeper derangement of the senses with actual hallucinations. Blue flashes in front of the eyes is peculiar to Yage intoxication.

...Peyote (mescaline).--This is undoubtedly a stimulant. It dilates the pupils, keeps one awake. Peyote is extremely nauseating. Users experience difficulty keeping it down long enough to realize the effect, which is similar, in some respects, to marijuana. There is increased sensitivity to impression, especially to colours. Peyote intoxication causes a peculiar vegetable consciousness or identification with the plant. Everything looks like a peyote plant. It is easy to understand why the Indians believe there is a resident spirit in the peyote cactus.

Overdose of peyote may lead to respiratory paralysis and death. I know of one case. There is no reason to believe that peyote is addicting.(LETTER FROM A MASTER ADDICT ON DANGEROUS DRUGS by William S. Burroughs)[/QUOTE]

And just because this is interesting/funny:

[QUOTE]Cannabis Indica (hashish, marijuana). --The effects of this drug have been frequently and luridly described: disturbance of space-time perception, acute sensitivity to impressions, and flight of ideas, laughing jags, silliness. Marijuana is a sensitizer, and the results are not always pleasant. It makes a bad situation worse. Depression becomes despair, anxiety panic. I have already mentioned my horrible experience with marijuana during acute morphine withdrawal. I once gave marijuana to a guest who was mildly anxious about something ("On bum kicks" as he put it). After smoking half a cigarette he suddenly leapt to his feet screaming, "I got the fear!" and rushed out of the house.

An especially unnerving feature of marijuana intoxication is a disturbance of the affective orientation. You do not know whether you like something or not, whether a sensation is pleasant or unpleasant.

The use of marijuana varies greatly with the individual. Some smoke it constantly, some occasionally, not a few dislike it intensely. It seems to be especially unpopular with confirmed Morphine addicts, many of whom take a puritanical view of marijuana smoking.

The ill effects of marijuana have been grossly exaggerated in the U.S. Our national drug is alcohol. We tend to regard the use of any other drug with special horror. Anyone given to these alien vices deserves the complete ruin of his mind and body. People believe what they want to believe without regard for the facts. Marijuana is not habit forming. I have never seen evidence of any ill effects from moderate use. Drug psychosis may result from prolonged and excessive use.
...
Nutmeg.--Convicts and sailors sometimes have recourse to nutmeg. About a teaspoon is swallowed with water. Results are vaguely similar to marijuana with side effects of headache and nausea. Death would probably supervene before addiction if such addiction is possible. I have only taken nutmeg once.

There are a number of narcotics of the nutmeg family in use among the Indians of South America. They are usually administered by sniffing a dried powder of the plant. The Medicine Men take these noxious substances, and go into convulsive states. Their twitching and mutterings are thought to have prophetic significance. A friend of mine was violently sick for three days after experimenting with a drug of the nutmeg family in South America.(LETTER FROM A MASTER ADDICT ON DANGEROUS DRUGS by William S. Burroughs)[/QUOTE]

OK, I'm going to stop teaching minors about getting high now...

I would just like to state that although I don't condone the use of drugs, esp. those such as acid, LSD, crack (I've had the wonderful opportunity of watching my relative's life fell apart b/c of his crack addiction), etc., I think it's important to note that recent studies involving native americans who regularly use peyote for religious purposes have yielded some interesting results. The initial results of the studies show that there are no long-term damaging effects of peyote, even in large doses over many years, and that this could possibly hold for psilocyben mushrooms as well. However, it should be noted that the studies were not done for concentrated, synthetic, or otherwise artificial psychedelics such as acid, mescaline (the concentrated active ingredient in peyote), LSD, etc. and I maintain that these should be avoided. The use of Acid can leave noticable long-term effects after the first time, including tracers and flashbacks. I also agree that remembering to try out any sexual act whilst on shrooms or any psychedelic would be difficult at best. Those individuals I know who've tried shrooms would say the same.

Below is an excerpt from the following link:
http://www.heffter.org/pages/prog2002.html

[SIZE="1">"Long-term Effects of Peyote Use

Although we believe that hallucinogens have real potential to provide medical benefits, there is an important threshold question: what would the human health impacts be of using these substances over a long period of time? Even if they are medically valuable in the short term, might there be long-term consequences of concern?

We have been working to answer these questions with a team of researchers at the McLean Hospital, a teaching hospital of The Harvard Medical School. With funding from Heffter, they are studying the effects of peyote use in members of The Native American Church. In their religious services, church members legally consume peyote, which contains the potent hallucinogen mescaline. They often consume large quantities over a period of many years. Thus they offer an excellent test case for studying the health effects of long-term hallucinogen use.

The point of the study is to measure, with a variety of sensitive techniques, what effects the long-term-peyote use may have had. The initial results suggest that there are no cognitive deficits, nor any physical or psychological problems from church members’ use of peyote. If this is the ultimate finding, it will be an important foundation for the medical use of hallucinogens."[/SIZE]

Here is a link to an actual study:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T4S-4HG4YKH-6...

3 of my friends and I were going to spend a weekend camping along a river on my property, something we had done hundreds of times before. The four of us were very close and trusted each other fully. I was the only one that didn't drink or smoke marijuana, and I knew that the others did. What I did not know was that all 3 of them decided to try shrooms that afternoon. Long story short, one of them loved it, he laid on his back watching clouds for 6 hours. The other 2 I had to stop from fighting each other. They were best friends since they first met and they wanted to fight to the death and were seeing **** that wasn't there. I had to tie the hands and feet of both of them and lock each of them in separate cars to prevent anyhting from happening. I was confused at first, but figured out that it was drugs quickly. This is not something you want to mess around with. They later told me that they decided to try it because they knew I would take care of them if something happened. I am not friends with them anymore. Make the smart decision here.

Well, obviously no one's going to change your mind, but just remember - You can't trust anyone under the influence of hallucinogens, not even yourself. From my experiences, while under the influence there is no real concept of reality and your self-conscious and control are totally lost; basically, you put yourself at the mercy of "whatever happens". There's no telling what someone might experience or how they'll react to it. As you can read in some of the stories posted here, paranoia-induced violence is a very real possibility with these drugs in otherwise normal people. I would be very careful about what kind of situation you could be putting yourself in - lock up the knives, guns, chainsaws, and baseball bats...

I blame Super Mario for today's youth being obsessed with getting high on mushrooms...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpBGRA6HHtY

Anything can happen:
Death Leap Man ate magic mushrooms
A friend of mine nearly drowned after taking mushrooms when he thought his friend was trying to eat his head, and ran into a river. Sounds funny, but he had nightmares about it for years.

Which one of your friends is going to be responsible for staying grounded that night and hoping that nobody gets too violent for them to drag off and lock in a room? No matter what happened to your friend, your brain chemistry is different, and psilos will affect you differently. Somebody could be happy and watch clouds, and somebody else will be breaking out the chainsaws. Like Oedi said... lock up the knives, bats, and anything you can think of that could potentially be used as a weapon. Chairs may count.

Psilos **** you up. Obviously we're not going to change your mind, but I hope nobody gets hurt.

Eating a bullet is an experience too....just because something can be done, doesn't mean it should.

You didnt hallucinate?!?! you just said your hand ate themselves lol I dont think it gets more of a hallucination than that

Thresher Im guessing thats the GTA Super Mario!

"OH No hes marinating in his own ragu!"

To get the full effect, you need to wait a full month before eating shrooms again. You build a tolerance really quickly with psilocybin, but it diminishes rapidly as well. I'm glad that everyone was fortunate enough to not have any bad trips. Rat-a-tat is amazing, that is all.

Wow Tresher! That was... well that was.. something!