Hi all
I have a question I'm hoping some of you can help me with. My BF has recently become fascinated with "ass to mouth" sex. He's been asking me to try it for a few weeks now. I know some people find it disgusting, but quite honestly I'm willing to give it a shot. I've stuck a finger in my ass and tasted it and it doesn't taste bad at all. However, occasionally when we engage in anal sex his cock comes out with a bit of um, stuff on it.
I've been told enemas might help clean me out and prevent that sort of thing. Some people have said use only water, some said cold, some said warm, and some have said just sticking a soapy finger in my ass will do the trick. So I've gotten a lot of conflicting information.
I was wondering if anyone has any advice on how to prepare for this and if anyone's done it. If so, was there a nasty taste or not.
Thanks in advance for any advice.


Why not use condom's with anal?
There lubricated so its not as dry and plus you won't get (to Quote) a bit of um, stuff on it.
When I've done I've only used them, but for ass to mouth what do you use?
I've recently tried this after I read about it somewhere else, and i used flavoured Dental Dam.
I have to say though the act feels....unique to say the least.
Have fun.
- Jordan
a condom is HIGHLY recommended because if fecal matter (poop) gets into your bf's penis it can cause urethritis which is inflammation of the urethra. if the feces is push back in further it can cause inflammation in other areas. no ejaculation will force this out of him, so him getting some "stuff on it" can be a cause for some pain in his future. after the porno is done which i know is where he got this idea from, they don't tell you if the guy got sick afterwards. why risk it even with an enema.
It was discussed in this thread prior (after some confusing over what ass-to-mouth is and how it differs from rimming): http://www.sexinfo101.com/forum/entertainment/28945-ass-mouth.html
The point is: inside the rectum it can't be cleaned as good as on the outside of the anus. No matter how many douches or enema's. Salmonella and ecoli are some of the notorious bastards that live there. You don't want to get those in your mouth! It's the same as how you can get ill from eating infected and not well-cooked chicken. Such infections could lead to throwing up and heavy diarrhea for weeks :(
Only safe way would be: have anal sex with a condom and remove before penetrating anywhere else.
As Big pointed out; this in fact safer for your guy as well.
And just in case this wasn't clear already; don't ever go ass-to-vagina either or you could get some serious infections.
Stay healthy and have fun! :)
Anal sex should always be protected and cleaned up after before any other activity. It is just a matter of safe practice. I love anal sex, but don't want to jeapordize my health.
[QUOTE=RedRoses;269590]It was discussed in this thread prior (after some confusing over what ass-to-mouth is and how it differs from rimming): http://www.sexinfo101.com/forum/entertainment/28945-ass-mouth.html[/quote]
Thanks for that. I tried to do a search for "ATM" and "ass to mouth" and kept getting messages about the search terms being too short. Sorry.
And thanks to everyone for the replies. While I don't disagree that there can be some health issues, we've been having unprotected anal sex for a good five years now and neither of us has had the first problem (nor did my previous BF or I have any problems doing the same thing).
And you're saying you can catch e. coli infections from yourself? I've never heard that before. Is there some kind of documentation somewhere that explains how that's possible?
Okay so tell me, Heidi, do you normally eat feces? Do you usually find pleasure shoving feces into your vagina? No? Well, why not?
Because doing the one will make you sick - very sick and the other will give you one nasty vaginal infection. Yes, even if the feces are your own.
Just think about the results of a ruptured bowel where fecal matter escapes from your intestines and enters into your abdominal cavity. To begin with there's a high fever as your body tries to fight the infection and then theres gangrene as the infected organs located nearby begin to die which leads to your death. Please note - the infecting material is all your own. Peritonitis is sooo sexy, right?
Yeah - lovely.
Use the condoms.
Ass to mouth - sheesh!
yes you have e. coli in your colon naturally living there and should not come in contact with any other part of the body. similarly you have acid in your stomach for digestion and if it goes up into your esophagus it will burn the tissue, and long term exposure will give you cancer. back to the feces; when ingested the bacteria in it will cause stomach cramps, vomiting, and diarrhea. sounds like a good time, huh? use the condom or don't do it at all.
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;269597]Okay so tell me, Heidi, do you normally eat feces? Do you usually find pleasure shoving feces into your vagina? No? Well, why not?
Because doing the one will make you sick - very sick and the other will give you one nasty vaginal infection. Yes, even if the feces are your own. [/quote]
I see you have a penchant for hyperbole.
[quote]Just think about the results of a ruptured bowel where fecal matter escapes from your intestines and enters into your abdominal cavity. To begin with there's a high fever as your body tries to fight the infection and then theres gangrene as the infected organs located nearby begin to die which leads to your death. Please note - the infecting material is all your own. Peritonitis is sooo sexy, right? [/quote]
Where'd you get your medical degree? The abdominal cavity doesn't have the protections that the digestive system has (saliva kills most bacteria, for example - you don't find that in the abdominal cavity, or the vagina), and there's no comparison between the two.
People rim others all the time (including me), and I'm 100% positive not every single one of those people has the cleanest asshole. So therefore a lot of people ingest bacteria that is normally found in the rectum. I've never heard of the first case of a person catching an e. coli infection from themselves before. If anyone has something to document otherwise, please post it. But spare me the hyperbole, please.
I was hoping for legitimate advice, and so far, most of what has been posted is unsupported theory coming from people talking out of their asses (pun intended). :rolleyes:
Heidi it seems that you are only interested in preparation that involves cleaning out the area. No one has recommended that and instead he should use condoms. If it is both you and your bf's choice to have unprotected anal sex and ATM then fine, I hope neither of you get sick. It should also be mentioned that brandye a MD that contributes here often said that long term frequency of anal sex results in hemorrhoids. Something to think about down the road.
Hahaha heidi you have a lot to learn. You CAN rupture your intestinal walls via anal sex and you WILL wind up becoming incredibly ill. No medicaal degree is required. Pungee pits in vietnam were basically pits filled with sharp bamboo sticks covered in feces from the NVA. The infections from the slightest nick were terrible.
Second off, ass to mouth can also lead to hepatitis A. Which again is no fun.
You want to try it? Then by all means try it. BUT heed the warnings on this site. Because all this supposed "talking out of their ass is true". Our job as senior members is to ensure the safety of their members. As RR stated, the rectum cannot be cleaned out as well. No amount of enemas can kill the bacteria. If you wanna try it then I suggest using having a good bowel movement, the using an enema once or twice till your comfortable with your cleanliness. Then have him wear a condom because a penile infection is no fun.
Finally where did YOU get your medical degree? Saliva does NOT kill most bacteria. Case in point. Everyone who gets salmenella, e coli, and all the other myriad of disease you can get.
Dear Heidi,
I think that Big explained it thoroughly well. One part of the body can't handle what another part of the body can. E-coli and other bacteria are useful in the places they need to be in balanced numbers. Any place else and it starts a party inside that makes you sick. It's why people are encouraged to wash their hands after a toiletvisit.
The digestive system (partly) destroys bacteria before you get ill. Just as the immune system fights off many things before you experience severe illness. Yet; it fails to do that without you noticing, when there are too many. Also; when there is a "risk" some people indeed go without experiencing it for years. It's like that with any risk in life. You make an educated guess on which you want to take.
I've done a quick search for you. For example; this site refers to the risks of oral-fecal contact. [url=http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/6234.html]Go Ask Alice! is a health Q&A Internet resource by the University of Columbia. It provides readers with reliable, accurate, accessible, culturally competent information and a range of thoughtful perspectives so that they can make responsible decisions concerning their health and well-being.
Google more on terms such as "fecal-oral contamination" and you'll find about the same information every time, by medical professionals and those who have become experience-knowledgeable. Btw; I do understand why you'd like documents, so go out and get them. What I do when concerned; searches on the internet, go through medical encyclopedia, pose questions to professional organizations (such as associations on sexual health), ask the MD on this forum, ask my primary physician or pharmacist for advice, etc. I'd encourage you to do searches such as these and get educated. If you find anything (more) useful, post it in this thread.
Again; please have fun, but stay healthy!
Heidi - go and look it up - I did - peritonitis - where it coyly says "abdominal trauma". What did you think that meant? An erect penis certainly can plow right through the walls of your rectum.
Hyperbole - perhaps, but it sometime takes an extreme view to get some minds to think. You're one of those people who play in traffic for years and blithely ignore the fact that each time might be your last since the odds reset to zero.
Note - no one told you to stop playing in this ass to mouth cesspit - we only said wear a condom while doing so then remove the condom before moving to mouth.
[QUOTE=Ducy;269609]Second off, ass to mouth can also lead to hepatitis A. Which again is no fun. [/quote]
So now you can catch Hepatitis from yourself if you don't already have it as well? Haha. That's priceless.
[quote]Finally where did YOU get your medical degree? Saliva does NOT kill most bacteria. Case in point. Everyone who gets salmenella, e coli, and all the other myriad of disease you can get.[/QUOTE]
I though that was rather common knowledge, actually. Saliva contains an enzyme called lysozyme that does indeed kill a significant number of bacteria. Google it if you must. I didn't say it killed ALL bacteria.
[QUOTE=big916;269606]It should also be mentioned that brandye a MD that contributes here often said that long term frequency of anal sex results in hemorrhoids. [/QUOTE]
I'd sure be curious to see her study methodology.
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;269611]Heidi - go and look it up - I did - peritonitis - where it coyly says "abdominal trauma". What did you think that meant? An erect penis certainly can plow right through the walls of your rectum.[/quote]
And what in the world does that have to do with my original question? I wasn't asking about the dangers of anal sex.
[quote]Note - no one told you to stop playing in this ass to mouth cesspit - we only said wear a condom while doing so then remove the condom before moving to mouth.[/QUOTE]
I haven't asked him yet, but I'm thinking that kind of defeats the (psychological) purpose of doing ATM. Maybe I'm wrong. *shrug*
[QUOTE=RedRoses;269610]Dear Heidi,
...[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the balanced and non-histrionic-laced reply.
You're welcome :)
The thread Big is refering from Brandye on the risks of anal penetration is this: http://www.sexinfo101.com/forum/sex-toys-products/28800-dildos-human-anu...
I always refer to Brandye's thread when discussing anal sex and recommend to read it.
I would want all to know what risks they may be taking.
Admittedly; among others the Dutch and Belgium association for sexual education claim painfree anal penetration poses NO health risk to the anus/rectum/sphincter-area. At the moment there appears to be two camps among medical professionals. So far; I haven't seen either "winning" to give the definite answer on whether painfree anal sex is proven to cause (long term) damage. I can imagine it's hard researching and analyzing. Since you'd need to know exactly what happened from the moment before and during penetration every time a person had anal sex, over a long period of time. Yet also: I highly respect Brandye's medical opinion and value her contribution to this forum.
Either way; be cautioned, I'd say! What is sure is that painful anal sex could cause serious damage. And that if you already have hemorrhoids or other damage/infection, it's not recommendable to engage in anal sex (that seems clear logic to me!)
[QUOTE=Heidi_Cakes;269618]I haven't asked him yet, but I'm thinking that kind of defeats the (psychological) purpose of doing ATM. Maybe I'm wrong. *shrug*[/QUOTE]
why does it defeat the purpose, the act is still the same but with protection? why do you think he would like it more if you suck him off with small amounts of your fecal matter on it?
You my dear are an ignorant fool. So let's say for just a second, that your saliva does kill 99% of the bacteria in your mouth. It still DOES NOT kill things like e coli and salmanella. That is why people DIE from it or get sick from it. There is also campylobacter and shigella (sp). Like RR said. Some parts of your body can handle what others can't. Your rectum and colon have bacteria that would destroy your body if it went anywhere else.
And you should also again understand that EEK was speaking of the dangers because people never seem to associate the risks with the act. You wanna have him stick his unprotected dick in you the suck him off. Then go right ahead. If it works out fine then congrats. If it doesn't...well don't come crying to us about it.
I'm amazed at how rude new members are. You have been told what you wanna hear. Buy an enema and use it. Its not rocket science. Its sticking a plastic tube in your anus and washing your insides. Instead of trying to turn your nose up at everyone who was so kind to answer a questiong that quite frankly could have been answered with a quick google search (or even using the search function on this site), perhaps you should be gracious and accept that these people have helped and have also stated some simple warning.
Everyone loves porn. But nobody bothers to read the warning. Just like those who buy low fat food without realizing its got 10x more carbs.
[QUOTE=RedRoses;269620]Admittedly; among others the Dutch and Belgium association for sexual education claim painfree anal penetration poses NO health risk to the anus/rectum/sphincter-area. [/quote]
As someone who's been doing anal for a good 16 years now, I'm inclined to fall on this side of the spectrum. Just based on my personal experience, of course.
[quote]Yet also: I highly respect Brandye's medical opinion and value her contribution to this forum. [/quote]
I understand the tendency to believe someone because "they're a doctor," especially on a subject such as this. However, in the absence of a legitimate study that confirms (or at least suggests) causality, stating that doing A will lead to or often leads to B is pretty irresponsible IMO.
[quote]Either way; be cautioned, I'd say! What is sure is that painful anal sex could cause serious damage. And that if you already have hemorrhoids or other damage/infection, it's not recommendable to engage in anal sex (that seems clear logic to me!)[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
[QUOTE=Ducy;269623]You my dear are an ignorant fool. So let's say for just a second, that your saliva does kill 99% of the bacteria in your mouth. It still DOES NOT kill things like e coli and salmanella. [/quote]
I don't recall saying it did. I said it kills MOST bacteria, and it does. Not sure how that makes me "ignorant", but whatever. And is the name calling really necessary?
[quote]I'm amazed at how rude new members are. [/quote]
If calling you and others out for providing bogus information (you can't get hepatitis from your own fecal matter if you don't already have hepatitis!) is "rude" than I guess that makes me rude. I asked a specific question and got mostly non-responsive answers, or answers laced with histrionics and hyperbole, most of which had little relevance to the question I actually asked. I was hoping, since this is, allegedly, a "Sex Info 101" forum, I'd get some legitimate advice related to the question I actually wrote in my original post, not a bunch of worst-case scenario ramblings. Perhaps that was my fault for not explaining that I'm quite experienced with anal penetration and know and understand the risks. I didn't need that information, nor did I ask for it.
[quote]... quite frankly could have been answered with a quick google search (or even using the search function on this site), [/quote]
That would be true for just about any question asked here, I'd bet. Are you suggesting this forum is completely unnecessary, then? I was hoping for replies with some different perspective or perhaps personal experience. I sure won't make that mistake again.
I have not posted previously in this thread but as the "irresponsible" physician alluded to, I ask that you, Heidi, at least read what RedRoses alluded to before labeling me as such.
There is damage to the anus being penetrated. Period. There are always, in the early stages, tiny tears that increase the chance of infection to the receiving anus. The anus is a one way valve and is not designed to accept entry. On the giving end, the worst cases of prostatitis I have encountered have been related to the urethra having fecal matter crammed into it. In other posts in other threads the likelihood of hemorrhoids over time was cited. I have never accepted a penis into my anus and choose not to. I do recommend that those who do, use both a condom and plenty of lube.
You are rather in a lather over how you have been treated. Similarly, I object to being treated as an archetype by one who knows nothing of what I have posted or positions I have taken.
Heidi, not to get all sobby, but I have learned the hard way to be careful with who I respect, to have a healthy suspician and double check information. My respect for Brandye is not "just" because she's a doctor. It's because she provides very useful and clear insights, logic, clearifications and explanations. No babytalk, no belittling and certainly not irresponsible. To add; she not only posts as "a doctor" but also as a person, which makes her contributions even more valuable from my point of view. She is one of those members that makes this forum of such high quality.
You're most welcome to read and stick around a little more before judging.
My apologies. It can be spread from fecal oral contamination but you were right. You wouldn't get it. It would be your boyfriend.
And yes heidi I am saying this forum is COMPLETELY UNNECCESSARY.
:rolleyes:
You chose to read what you wanted. I also put that this could be searched via the forum.
An you said it yourself. This is a sex info site. Meaning you will be informed. Of the dangers, the benefits, and anything else pertinent to your question...your original question had been answered by RR if I'm not mistaken. You can use enemas and such but it is never going to be perfectly clean. The answer was sorrounded with words of warnings.
And although there may be not "studies" done on anal. It is common knowledge that most people who have anal sex regularly tend to have a "looser" anus as they get older. Simply because your anus was not meant to fit a penis inside. Contrary to popular belief, just because it feels good doesn't make it "good". Heroine feels good (so I've been told). Doesn't mean it is good for you.
Again. Do what you wish, you have been answered. We are all opened minded people. We do not judge your sexual habits and desires. We will always however forewarn of potential problems. I mean anyone who is a virgin who asks about sex will get a similar retort. They will be answered but also told the dangers and benefits of sex.
Bogus info? Hardly. No I am not a medical professional however I do thoroughly research such topics and know, from experience, that fragile internal tissues can be ruptured by an erect penis. Trust me, your bf does not want to hear "Drive faster, I'm dying." as you lapse into unconciousness in the passenger seat bleeding out. Not "hyperbole" - FACT. Between research, more men than you've had hot dinners, and more than 40 years experience - yes, thank you, I do know whereof I speak.
You can have hepatitis without knowing you have hepatitis - that's one of the dangers with it. "Hepatitis may occur with limited or no symptoms". wikipedia I actually did a full article on Hepatitis in one of my blogs last year when I was tested for it - clean - hurray! Which you probably won't if you go in for unprotected ass to mouth sex.
We tell you about the dangers because you aren't thinking this through in terms of consequences short term and long term - what you get away with now all too often returns to haunt you later on ruining the rest of your life. This birck upside your head is just an attempt to defib your brain.
Stop fighting and start listening.
[QUOTE=Brandye;269626]There is damage to the anus being penetrated. Period. There are always, in the early stages, tiny tears that increase the chance of infection to the receiving anus. The anus is a one way valve and is not designed to accept entry. [/quote]
None of which anyone here, least of all me, argued with.
[quote]In other posts in other threads the likelihood of hemorrhoids over time was cited. [/quote]
Without any substantiation. It just amazes me that, with all of the millions of people on this planet who indulge in anal sex, there's never been a link established between that activity and the incidence of hemorrhoids if such a link existed as, I'm told, you've suggested. The fact that you encounter the occasional anal recipient with hemorrhoids in your practice (I'm guessing) doesn't establish causality. Far more people who don't engage in anal penetration do get hemorrhoids. What should we infer from that, in your learned opinion?
[quote]I object to being treated as an archetype by one who knows nothing of what I have posted or positions I have taken.[/QUOTE]
I was going on what I was told by other users. If what they attributed to you was inaccurate, perhaps you should ask them to refrain from misquoting you. If what they attributed to you was indeed accurate, then your weren't really being treated as an archetype, now were you?
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;269633]Bogus info? [/quote]
You say that, and then follow it up with...
[quote]"Hepatitis may occur with limited or no symptoms". wikipedia I actually did a full article on Hepatitis in one of my blogs last year when I was tested for it - clean - hurray! Which you probably won't if you go in for unprotected ass to mouth sex.[/quote]
lol If I don't already have hepatitis, I'm not going to get it from myself. You do realize that, right? Are you even listening to yourself?
[quote]No I am not a medical professional however I do thoroughly research such topics and know, from experience, that fragile internal tissues can be ruptured by an erect penis. [/QUOTE]
Has anyone here, including me, suggested otherwise?
[QUOTE=Ducy;269628]It is common knowledge that most people who have anal sex regularly tend to have a "looser" anus as they get older. [/quote]
Really? "Common knowledge?" Really? Where does one find that nugget of wisdom? I'm guessing someone's surveyed a sample of people who've engaged in long-term anal sex and asked them if their anus was "looser" than it used to be? And how did they account for the fact that, even without anal penetration, the anus tends to get looser over time as a normal course of growing older? In my searches for answers to my original question, I encountered a lot of information, and your statement is the first time I've seen anyone make such an assertion.
I've also seen people say that, since the anus is a muscle, the more you exercise it, the stronger it gets. So it would seem to me that those who engage in receptive anal penetration more often would actually have stronger anal muscles. *shrug*
all medical, bacterial, and disease discussions aside...
many of those ass-to-mouth pornos also use clever camera tricks to complete the fantasy, what may look like a seamless camera angle change may actually include the never seen 2 minutes where the male actor cleans his penis before the female engages in oral sex
the risk is there no matter which way you slice it, only you can decide whether to take that risk. evacuate about an hour prior, then cleanse about 30 minutes later if you feel it necessary, then enjoy the experiece
Brandye. Where was the survey that you once quoted? It involved gay men who had troubles with controlling their bowels as they got older? This was several years back but I coulda sworn you spoke of them. Or perhaps it was someone else.
Apparently reading is not your strongest suit, Heidi. That was an ellipse, hun. You won't TEST CLEAN if you go in for unprotected ass to mouth sex. Keep up. You haven't disagreed about the possibility of rupture and yet - YOU'RE STILL HAVING ANAL SEX so you must not BELIEVE it.
Yep, pcp, it is 'cut & paste' and - ALL of it - is fake, fake, fake until proven otherwise.
It was Brandye, Ducy, who did find that survey. I remember her posting it as well. It was in connection with male homosexuality and uncontrollable anal leakage/seepage - something like that.
As you may have guessed by now, Heidi, this topic has been done to death many times and fought over as well. The fact remains your anus was not meant to be an entrance and the tissues there are a lot more fragile than those of the vagina since the vagina has to deal with birth as well as with coitus. The sphincter is not the sort of muscle that requires 'exercise' since it is as tight as it is ever going to get so the only way it has left to go is looser.
It amazes me how people who wouldn't lick the gas station bathroom floor will put a penis that has been in their ass in their mouth directly afterwards. Cognitive dissonance? You know, just because a guy asks for something, doesn't make it mandatory.
Two things occur to me:
First, that before a newcomer to SI101 calls into question Brandye's reputation, they should read this thread thoroughly: http://www.sexinfo101.com/forum/sexual-health-women/11594-about-brandye....
Actually, anyone whose reputation they call into question, who has made several thousand posts to this forum, they should research this site thoroughly to determine the quality of information given.
And before you get all snooty and ask me when you called her reputation into question:
[QUOTE=Heidi_Cakes;269617]I'd sure be curious to see her study methodology.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Heidi_Cakes;269624]I understand the tendency to believe someone because "they're a doctor," especially on a subject such as this. However, in the absence of a legitimate study that confirms (or at least suggests) causality, stating that doing A will lead to or often leads to B is pretty irresponsible IMO.[/QUOTE]
I said there were two things that occur to me. The second is that anyone having 16 years experience with anal play should probably already know all the risks thereof, without starting this thread.
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;269647]That was an ellipse, hun. [/quote]
Actually, no. It was an "ellipsis". An "ellipse" is a plane curve that results from the intersection of a cone by a plane in a way that produces a closed curve. If you're going to lecture me, how about making sure you know your stuff?
[quote]You haven't disagreed about the possibility of rupture and yet - YOU'RE STILL HAVING ANAL SEX so you must not BELIEVE it. [/quote]
You know what, when you drive a car there's a much higher possibility that you'll be killed in an auto accident than of having your rectum ruptured through anal sex. Believe it or not, I'm still driving, too! :eek: :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=lnt1103;269648]The second is that anyone having 16 years experience with anal play should probably already know all the risks thereof, without starting this thread.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you should go back and re-read my opening post. It wasn't about the risks associated with something I've been doing for 16 years, but rather something I have no experience doing. In fact, if you read some of my other posts here, I specifically stated that I was indeed aware of the risks of anal penetration.
I wonder if EvilEvilKitten is going to lecture you on your reading skills as well? :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=pcp71;269643]many of those ass-to-mouth pornos also use clever camera tricks to complete the fantasy, [/quote]
And many don't. I do think I'm clever enough to figure out whether or not a video has been edited. There's plenty of amateur stuff out there as well that clearly hasn't been edited.
[quote]the risk is there no matter which way you slice it, only you can decide whether to take that risk. evacuate about an hour prior, then cleanse about 30 minutes later if you feel it necessary, then enjoy the experiece[/QUOTE]
Understood. Thank you.
Just to add something unscientific;
by personal experience I know infections like those mentioned can be very severe. Several years ago I had a bacterial infection that attacked my kidneys, inflamed my intestines and got 20 cm of my colon cramped up in a lump. My doctors said the cause was a case of bad luck (it was before I became sexually active, should anyone wonder. :rolleyes:). After months of pain it was cured, but my system never got back to balance after. Whereas I had perfectly stable intestines before this infection, they say I have IBS now. I may be an exception, but I'm also not the worst case scenario. I wouldn't wish anyone to experience anything like this! Heidi (and anyone else reading along), I just wanted to give you this for your list of pro's and con's...
No, I'm not because Int's earned my respect.
Terrible thing to happen to you, RR. Hope they come up with something that helps.
Thanks, EEK, I appreciate that. At least there's ONE cat somewhere that likes me. The one I live with deigns to put up with settling for my lap when T's not around.
But speaking of respect - Heidi, you've managed to treat two of the most respected contributors of this forum, with nothing but contempt and belittling. Given that you obviously consider yourself more knowledgeable than most people, about many things (anal play, medicine, geometry, grammar...), one is forced to wonder again why you bothered to start the thread. Or perhaps the better question is, why you continue to act better-than and smarter-than, when YOU'RE the one seeking information.
Red, so sorry to hear of your struggles. Let me echo EEK's wishes for a speedy solution.
Thank you for your kind wishes, dear ladies.
I don't know what the odds are (hence unscientific comment ;)). I just wanted to point out that when your body gets attacked by bacteria, the results may vary from experiencing next-to-nothing to being stuck with the results of it even years after.
wow
ive read this thread and I am shocked by how stubborn the OP is
allow me, if I may, to put my own spin on this
Do you eat poop? no. Eating poop is bad for you. Your body disposes of poop for a reason. You body goes "This is bad, Lets get rid of it!" so it does. Do you really think your body would want that back in it's system? of course not!
And regarding the bacteria. Our bodies a balanced system of us and friendly bacteria. Bacteria finds a place it likes and stays there. Sometimes that is a good thing. Sometimes that is a bad thing. Just like poop, each bacteria has it's own little niche in the body to call home. We have bacteria EVERYWHERE. So stuff that kills 99.9% of bacteria is BAD for you. Leave things where they belong, use a condom, and have some fun!
p.s. I don't think having something rammed up your ass regularly is any good for it, but that is just my opinion
Heidi, I share your frustration. I was drawn to this thread because I need the same question answered. Nowhere in this thread was your question answered. All I read was basically don't do anal sex and here is why. That was not your nor is it my question. My wife and I have been doing many aspects of anal for a long time and it seems you have too. I would like too politely ask those who can't answer the specific question to not comment. What we are asking is obviously possible and enjoyable and safe when done right. The question is about how to make "ass to mouth" safe. Thousands of porns, pro and ametuer and 100's of actresses prove that it can be safe. So please, don't lecture us on why not to do it, and if you don't know how to make it safe, please don't answer. If you do, please let us know. I admire Heidi for her curiosity and desire to please her man. I'm part of a couple, over 50 who keep our sex lives fresh by continually trying new things. After 20+ years together, I'd say it's working really well. This is something we are both very eager to try. BTW, we've been doing anal and rimming for at least 20 years. A few common sense precautions, we're doing just fine. Again, please, I you know please tell, if you don't please don't comment. Thanks!!!!
RR already gave you the answers. You can use enemas but there is no way to make the area as clean as the outside portion of the anus.
If you do anal then you should already know the basic procedures. Enema to clean it out. There is nothing more you can do. Chemicals will cause nothing but problems.
And if your here then you should expect to get a lot more info then you ask for. Were not going to just say half of an answer. Your talking about puting something that's been up you butt into your mouth. If you came to us and said I love to cut my wrissts while having sex your going to get warnings. Sure it may feel good but there are a lot of downfalls to it. I don't judge. You wanna do it then fine. But don't try to talk down to senior members. Yes some of us are set in our ways and haw there preferences to what they do and don't want, but don't come onto a board telling people they don't know what they're. Talking about. If we didn't then this site would obvioulsy have fallen apart rather than flourish like it has
i echo all of ducy's comment and also want to mention that i said on the first page to wear a condom, then gave legitimate risks to what can happen if a man does not. then i gave an easy to understand example why the receiver is at risk for illness when doing ATM. just because nothing has happened to you yet, does not exclude you or anyone else from said risks.
Big. Let's just face it. The newbies hate us. Just like my cock fight with tank. Although I do believe mine is bigger :p
Welcome NSJ! Hope you will enjoy participating!
Please go back to the first page. The answers are there.
Throughout this thread I've tried to give answers with links provided for. And if my comments are out of personal reference, I usually explicitly make clear that they are. I respect everyone's choices and try not to lecture, but give you things to think about. Just because I think every member here has the right to get as much information as possible, before making your choice. If I failed at doing that, I'm sorry.
There are things I'd additionally like to point out in reply to your post:
Be warned that pornography usually isn't your best teacher. They are playing out fantasies, also (even: preferably) those scenario's that wouldn't happen in real life. Just like the action-hero-movies where stuntmen jump off buildings and through fire. It is all staged, edited and there are calculated risks taken. For example; most of the time you (sadly :() don't even see porn-actors wearing condoms. Whereas every self-respecting man or woman will, unless in a committed relationship.
Not to derail this thread, but since you brought it up as "proof" of ATM being safe; I'd actually say that the risks are a great part of the porn-business. Easy money that comes with a high price. There are several stories out there of ex-porn-actresses and actors, telling how they were used as a pieces of meat, getting extra money and even drugs for taking risks and being hurt (try; Jersey Jaxin, Shelley Lubben, etc). I sure do believe that there are cooperations who take good care of their people and a lot of actors/actresses that genuinely love their job. But it's a bit like participating in a medical experiment; you sign the contract and get a huge amount of money. Thereby you hand your body over to the company with all the risks involved.
I also would encourage you to not take the amateur-vids as an example. I mean; people do a lot of stupid things on YouTube too. Also here; the risk taken is core-business of why it's "fun". And you never get to see the endings or aftermath of it...
Btw: If you look into my posts some more, you will also find that I certainly don't write "don't do anal sex and here is why" ;):):D
All threads on this website have the opportunity to expand beyond the original question being asked, usually to bring in more information on the topic or the situation.
I only have one question to ask: how long can you play on the Interstate before you get run over?
Yes, MoJ, there are those of us who enjoy a wild sex life over many years. I am one of them. But my methods are far more 'radical' than yours and yet, I do not think everyone is quite ready to do as I do and ,in fact, I tell them to not to do it unless they meet the requirements.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Red Roses, thank you. It is clear that you mean well. Your reply seemed caring and sympathetic to our dilema. Big, you assume that we have already done ATM. Clearly you did not read what we wrote. We have not. That is why we are here. To get our question answered. Ducy and Kitten, you seem to just want to ride a high horse. Ducy you say "You can use enemas but there is no way to make the area as clean as the outside portion of the anus." and you say " Enema to clean it out. There is nothing more you can do." Maybe you say this because you can't imagine it any other way. Unless you have some inside information, a friend in the business, you can't know. It seems to me that it's more important to you to look like an expert rather than help us out. To be so arrogant about a subject very important to us is beyond our imagination. We tend to keep to ourselves when we can't really answer a question. We tend to keep a positive reputation when we do. You re-enforce your arrogance by adding "Big. Let's just face it. The newbies hate us. Just like my cock fight with tank." Where that come from is beyond us. We're looking for an answer, not a fight. How long we've been a member here makes our question no less legitimate. How long we've been members deserves us no more or less respect than anyone else. Your attitude toward us should raise red flags for everyone reading anything you post. It's clear that your glorification and ego is more important than our legitimate question. Kitten, this statement says the same thing about you, "Yes, MoJ, there are those of us who enjoy a wild sex life over many years. I am one of them. But my methods are far more 'radical' than yours and yet, I do not think everyone is quite ready to do as I do and ,in fact, I tell them to not to do it unless they meet the requirements." WOW, you must be the best piece of ass on the planet. To say that "your methods are far more radical than yours" is an incredibly bold and way far beyond arrogant statement. I guess you have monitored every minute of my 38 year sex life. I guess you were a fly on the wall every time my wife and/or I had sex and you critisized every move we made and could have done it better. Well good for you!!! I'm sure no one can satisfy you because you're better than everyone else on the planet. Being the perfect, know all, do all lover is a tough load to carry but I guess someone has to do it. You go girl!!!! Maybe you should be a porn star. Maybe then you would be able to share the apparent trade secret (no not editing, no not contractural risk) that 1000's of porn actresses have been practicing for the last 10 to 20 years that keeps them safe (yes I know, a few exceptions) so they can enthusiactically perform ATM time and time again...... We came to this site because we read a lot of sensible posts to important issues. You two have shown your true colors. I asked in my post that if you don't know, please don't reply. You two chose to ignore that and ride in on your high horses and gave your opinions. I'd thank you if your opinions were not all about youselves, oh well.
Lol I say? Okay aside from using chemicals show me a legitimate source that shows you can completely clean your anus to the point that you could have completely risk free sex, while at the same time not screwing your body up by riding it of beneficial bacteria.
The cock fight line was an inside joke with a few of the other senior members who have been dealing with a kid who believes he knows everything and goes so far as to give medical prescriptions to treat e.d.
I didn't "say" anything. I was reitterating what RR said. The funny thing is you flame me for "saying things" then thank RR. When RR was the one who "said" all this. I simply summed it up since you obviously didn't read the first post.
As far as my true colors? Funny how you "know me" after reading nothing. Have you seen the hundreds of posts that I have answered that led to helping countless members, and even more visitors? Have you seen the countless number of posts that I have reported that contained unsafe, dangerous, even life altering advice? Its a pity that you are so quick to judge and ride on "your" high horse. Congratulations on practicing anal sex without issue for several years. I'm glad that you think I'm arrogant by stating that newbies tend to hate us.
Let's look at the facts shall we? I have had several posters harass me via pm because they don't like my advice. On topics that I am incredibly well versed (and right). I have had a member make a post warning newcomers about me, EEK and Brandye. I have had numerous "negs" for people not liking my ardvice.
All these members have less than 6 months experience on the board.
You can hate my advice. Call me arrogant. Whatever. It doesn't matter. Because the funny thing is that. Have made it years on this forum, have yet to have a single warning from the mods, have managed to gain a fair amount of rep, and helped many people both in this forum and in real life. As a matter of fact I have given several people advice on proper procedure for anal and every single one of them have had great, illness free sex.
But then again you said it yourself. I personally have NO experience in this area, I've never engaged in unprotected anal or unprotected ass to mouth. You have a decade of experience over my "small" world of sex. So I tetract all words of warning given and hope that you and you wife have tons of fun.
Oh and as far as the "industry" is concerned. Saying they really engage in completely "safe" atm, and are capable of cleaning their rectum without causing ANY issues is like saying every bodybuilder in the history of the olympia has been "clean". Its porn. If porn was how sex was "supposed to be then this world would be one incredibly screwed up, albeit happy, society.
Oh and fyi...
There's a key on your keyboard that says enter...
Try pressing it once and a while to seperate paragraphs...run on posts are not only show poor grammar abilities but are nothing but headaches for the forum members who "can help you"
[QUOTE=big916;269781]just because nothing has happened to you yet, does not exclude you or anyone else from said risks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=milesojohnson;269832] Big, you assume that we have already done ATM. Clearly you did not read what we wrote. We have not. That is why we are here. To get our question answered. [/QUOTE]
i read your post but i didn't make myself clear. i apologize my last statement was referring to unprotected anal sex and ATM. your question has been answered. wear condoms! is there something im missing? is it more intimate to do anything anal without a condom? not to me. let me explain why there are risks. if you have a healthy diet then your body is constantly processing food and making waste. if you want the colon to have no fecal matter in it then you must not eat. i even looked up what porn stars do just for you. always using an enema the actresses do not eat several hours for the scene. one said 4-6 hours, the other belladonna said nothing after lunch the day before. it is really that simple, use an enema and don't eat. or do it whenever you both want but use a condom.
lastly mj; ducy and EEK may come off abrasive to some but they always mean well. they can get annoyed by members, they are human. still they are two out of a handful of the most respected members here. EEK has a lot of knowledge and experience on sex and relationships and will give you all the info you need, even if it is hard to swallow. ducy is the same along with knowledge in anatomy and physiology, sports training, and nutrition. as you can see in his signature he is a certified trainer. he didn't put that there to impress people he will likely never meet. i myself know A&P so both ducy and I should know the basics of all 11 of the body's systems. the digestive one being the star of this thread.
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