hm considering you are so well read ecc (on the "female" what were they biology books ?) you should know all the answers to you newbe to sex questions but arrogance and showing off aside as I myself am no expert and still a virgin:
as doc has often told us (he will probably be along before long and tell you himself) we cannot "give" orgasms the only way for her to have an orgasm is if SHE knows how to have one. this is going to be very difficult if she has never masturbated so I suggest you encourage her to do so if she is ok with it then she will learn about her own body and be able to help you pleasure her. if she is new to all this and nervous just go slow and be patient and a good help would be to bring her here and let her read around.

The important thing is to take things slowly. Is there a reason why she's so innocent? Religious resaon's maybe?

Whilst you're kissing and she's turned on, try slowly moving her own hand down towards her clitoris to encourage her to stimulate herself, though if she's as innocent as you say, she'll probably be too shy to masturbate or even touch herself in front of you.

I think before you attempt anything sexual, you should talk to her about it and see if there's a reason why she's never had an orgasm. Talking is the most important thing you can do in a relationship

I haven't contributed to the discussion because Newtolove gave a complete and comprehensive reply.

> talk to her about it and see if there's a reason why she's never had an orgasm.

Each of us is responsible for our own orgasms, we do not give them away. All any of us can hope for is to help each other reach their own. In order to have an orgasm it is necessary to establish connections between the pleasure center in the brain and the millions of nerve endings in the skin and organs. These connections do not happen automatically--only through training.

Boys quickly learn how as soon as they learn to masturbate. Girls on the other hand either begin masturbating later in life or not at all--and then only do it occassionally. So, while we are all born with a pleasure center in the brain, lots of sensitive nerve endings and an autonomic nervous system to transmit signals back and forth, the connects have to be established and this comes by learning to masturbate and then to do it frequently in order to establish a pattern of motions, rhythms, and pressures that we then rely upon to bring us to a climax. This done, we usually rely upon a set technique that I refer to as the "Fine Art" that is specific and unique to each of us. Generally, we rely upon this pattern the rest of our life, with some exceptions due to experimentation and to keep from being bored. Yet, if we stray too far from our "Fine Art", an orgasm will either not happen, or, it will be less than desired.

Once she has learned what is required to cause a climax, and, can do it regularly and consistently, she can then show you what it takes. You can then learn to mimic those motions, rhythms, and pressures and help her achieve an orgasm. It is useful that both of you show the other how you masturbate and necessary to take each other's hand and guide it several times until learning how to mimic the "Fine Art" of each other's method. So, while we may all understand the basic mechanics involved in fingering a clitoris and stroking a penis, as you can see, there is much more to it, and it is because there is that we must learn what our partner requires and then how to deliver.

As noted, talking is an important component to having and maintaining a successful relationship. This is particularly true with making love. Why? Because when we masturbate, we benefit from an internal feedback that lets us modulate our movements and make any midcourse corrections along the journey toward a climax. This is missing when we turn the reins over to someone else; therefore, we must provide information on how we are responding to his/her caresses by other means. We can use both verbal and non-verbal feedback. Verbal can be a word or other utterence; non-verbal can be some form of body language like a squeeze of the hand or a fast moving rubbing of the palm of the hand somewhere, or anything else that the two of you work out to convey specific meanings.

The female orgasm is much more internalized than the male's. Because they are, I believe it is important that a woman always let her man know when she has climaxed. Doing so verbally or non- eliminates the awkwardness of asking the age old question of "did you cum yet?"

> I think before you attempt anything sexual, you should talk to her about it and see if there's a reason why she's never had an orgasm.

The reason is because she has yet to learn how to masturbate. So, while we all have the necessary equipment, the pieces are not connected and this is why learning to masturbate is an absolute necessity. Boys do this pretty much matter-of-factly right out of puberty. Girls may, yet usually do not begin the process of becoming an orgasmic being until they are older--if then. It is a not so uncommon misconception that all they have to do to experience an orgasm is to lie back and let her man have his way. WRONG. The process requires that each of us practice. Guys are more driven to do this which is why girls/women must be encouraged to undertake the steps necessary. Knowing why is a necessary part of her sex education.

oh thanks doc I only repeat what you say but I am afraid I don't have the patience to write the fabolous long detailed instructions and explanations that you do, I am only after all a padawan learner in the arts (hm which jedi or love ?)