Bad Threads on Circumcision

[Brandye]

In the last month this Board has had two threads on circumcision that should be removed. In both cases, an original poster asked a question about circumcision. After receiving a few responses, a group, whether coordinated or not, swamped the threads with strong statements of advocacy – in this case, against any circumcision. One of our established members, Sera, did some wonderful investigative reports on who these people were and what they seemed to stand for. She actually traced some of them through other boards where they used the same terminology and made the same arguments – in some cases abusive. Their primary argument was based upon Australia banning automatic circumcision of newborns. That was a political decision recognizing the feelings of the aboriginal population of Australia.

This is a pattern of advocacy that has been seen on other Boards with other topics. The German national medical system Board had a section on Gardasil information. A woman posted the following (loosely translated): “I have decided to have my 13 yo daughter inoculated against HPV. Can anyone tell me what to expect?” This original post seemed innocuous and was responded to by a doctor and several nurse’s wityh good information – mostly posted elsewhere on the board. Then an anti-inoculation group swooped in and hijacked the thread. They cited every problem medication the manufacturer had ever produced; cited every vaccine that had ever caused illness; ignored differences and ranted against all vaccination. The thread was removed.

The circumcision posts on this board suffered similar attack. There is some misleading and, even, completely wrong “data” posted. To read the some of the posts, it sounds like circumcision is disappearing throughout the world. In actual fact, there are more infants circumcised today than in any previous years. There are more mature men seeking circumcision, for a variety of reasons, than ever.

I am pro-circumcision for reasons posted in many threads. There are valid arguments against circumcision without specific cause and I recognize them. The blatant falsehoods and specious research cited on the threads from Hugh7, Vikingirl and their ilk have no reason to be on this (or any) Board and I ask that those threads be removed.

[sera300]

Agreed. This is a sex board not once laced with political agendas! If one practices Medicine they shall find Practitioners are bound by regs. Therefore, changing US or NHS regs should be done through their political agendas. Treat enough infections and deal with public lack of knowledge of their own bodies and one may feel different..watch a good friend die of HIV or C. Cancer...might effectuate change in views. In the US, the burden falls on the parental figure.

[BigKahuna]

I vote to keep the anti-circumcision rally... Lets get this barbaric rite in perspective: You are taking a blade to a infant child's sexual organs!

As far as I know, there are two main reasons for this... tradition; mainly religious... and health; reducing likelihood of contracting an std through the permeable skin found in the foreskin...

In terms of tradition... there is one word to describe anyone doing this for religious reasons: Sheeple. I'd expand on this, but don't really feel like listening to the backlash of their ridiculous nonsense!

In terms of circumcision being a wise thing for health, here are some other remedies you may want to consider:

Avoid problems with your wrist and hand with a simple cut right through the forearm!
Avoid problems with your knee and foot with a simple cut right through the thigh!
heck, avoid ALL medical issues with a simple cut right through your neck! - works great for arthritis, and anything else you may be suffering from!

Ranting aside, I have one friend who CHOSE this operation... he found that his foreskin tended to rip from rough sex, and then cause great discomfort healing... This man felt he needed it, and he chose to have it when he was 16...

Doesn't that sound nice? Giving a person the freaking ability to choose whats best for their own body?

Special notes to Brandye:
- Please be consistent with your views... Support butchering all children, girls included, or none.
- Be careful about what you read in your medical textbooks and journals, a lot more of it is propaganda then you might think.
- Please do the men of the next generation a favor and leave the weak minds of their parents alone.

[BigKahuna]

One more note, to both of you two... correct me if i've made a bad assumption, but:

Don't you think its messed up that you are promoting an operation to a part of the body that you don't have????!!!!?!!?!?!

Your time would be better spent teaching parents how to take care of their child... not supporting barbarism that makes it easier!

[curious_woman]

This is a *surprisingly* controversial subject, and it should be treated like the others (politics, religion, etc). Each person has their own views and responsibilities, and NOBODY, I mean NOBODY has the right to tell someone they are wrong (or right?) about their beliefs. I'm talking to both sides. This isn't something so simple as saying "drinking too much soda make you fat", this is a decision that CHANGES your body. No one but the person himself should have the right to decide, either way, for whatever things are important to him.

I agree it can be a medical benefit. I also agree it can be inhumane. On that note, I am neutral and I think it depends highly on the situation and lifestyle. Some of the posts may be taking it too far Brandye, but it is still THEIR opinion. You have no right to trash their opinion, and BigKahuna you have no right to trash hers, because they are the beliefs of one person and it will always be disputed.


/sends out peace vibes

[sera300]

Originally Posted by curious_woman

This is a *surprisingly* controversial subject, and it should be treated like the others (politics, religion, etc). Each person has their own views and responsibilities, and NOBODY, I mean NOBODY has the right to tell someone they are wrong (or right?) about their beliefs. I'm talking to both sides. This isn't something so simple as saying "drinking too much soda make you fat", this is a decision that CHANGES your body. No one but the person himself should have the right to decide, either way, for whatever things are important to him.

I agree it can be a medical benefit. I also agree it can be inhumane. On that note, I am neutral and I think it depends highly on the situation and lifestyle. Some of the posts may be taking it too far Brandye, but it is still THEIR opinion. You have no right to trash their opinion, and BigKahuna you have no right to trash hers, because they are the beliefs of one person and it will always be disputed.


/sends out peace vibes

Curious...We only inform individuals in the medical profession. If a parent forces it on their children it's the parent's right in the US. If men learned to wrap their penis and women were more responsible with their vagina...disease would not spread. Heck why not wait until your wedding night and abstain...that will prevent all disease right?

Or do the other's expect me to toss myself in front of the Doc & parent and hold the cut? I am bound to inform.

[BigKahuna]

Each person has their own views and responsibilities, and NOBODY, I mean NOBODY has the right to tell someone they are wrong (or right?) about their beliefs.

- I consider this rubbish... Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs as long as they don't create victims. This barbaric rite has victims.

This isn't something so simple as saying "drinking too much soda make you fat",

- How is not that simple? You have babies being cut with a knife... they are obviously not happy about it when it is happening...

You have no right to trash their opinion

- So the next time I see a man beating up his wife, I should stop myself from thinking that BRUTE is wrong, and not trash his opinion that hurting her is ok because i have to respect his right to hold this opinion?

sends out peace vibes

- Send your peace vibes to all the baby boys out there who are in a state of shock from the pain caused by the nonsense that's being promoted by people like this doctor...

it will always be disputed.

- Sorry to hate on this too... but BS! there was a time before this butchering was performed... so whats with the assumption that its going to stay forever...

[Brandye]

OK, Kahuna, I agree there is a possible responsible debate. Post reasonable and supportable views and we can agree or disagree. I am here objecting to the two threads that are filled with nonsense and posted by a group (perhaps of one with different names) with a clear agenda. The clarity of their anti- agenda is made by the sites and boards where they use exactly the same limited studies, exactly the same words and their attributing their tactics to other known entities at this Board.

So, Kahuna, put your emotions aside and tell us what you know. I can respect that whether or not it results in agreement. I just hope this is not so soon that Hugh and friends return and continue their irrational rants.

[sera300]

Originally Posted by BigKahuna

One more note, to both of you two... correct me if i've made a bad assumption, but:

Don't you think its messed up that you are promoting an operation to a part of the body that you don't have????!!!!?!!?!?!

Your time would be better spent teaching parents how to take care of their child... not supporting barbarism that makes it easier!

Yes, we do teach parents and grown men how to clean...too bad they fail to. Cut a body part? Not my choice--it's PARENTAL & INFORMED CHOICE in the US. Heck, best part was when the wandering husband failed to use a condom and spread his g/f's HPV to the wife..the punch biopsy's were very traumatizing should there be some right there?

[sera300]

Originally Posted by Brandye

OK, Kahuna, I agree there is a possible responsible debate. Post reasonable and supportable views and we can agree or disagree. I am here objecting to the two threads that are filled with nonsense and posted by a group (perhaps of one with different names) with a clear agenda. The clarity of their anti- agenda is made by the sites and boards where they use exactly the same limited studies, exactly the same words and their attributing their tactics to other known entities at this Board.

So, Kahuna, put your emotions aside and tell us what you know. I can respect that whether or not it results in agreement. I just hope this is not so soon that Hugh and friends return and continue their irrational rants.

Search Facebook...you will find much out about the prostitution followed by same rhetoric as the "other" posters. An attempt to support a young males "lifestyle" which is less than ethical.