Bad Threads on Circumcision

[HardNgood]

I can only add, that I was "cut" at two days old and it took me a year before I could walk again!!

[sera300]

Originally Posted by HardNgood

I can only add, that I was "cut" at two days old and it took me a year before I could walk again!!

You can try to "sue" your parents! But then again walking is done at over one year old!

[fassol]

I originally came to this board for relationship advice. Wouldn't have considered myself a "net guerrilla" by any means. However, it is clear now, that at sexinfo101.com there is strong prejudice against men who advocate the right for a baby to have their genitals untouched by a surgeons blade (Or those who oppose any advice by Brandye specifically). To demonstrate how disgusted I am with the fact that two specific self proclaimed medical professionals act as though this site is a fascist rule dictated from themselves, I am leaving this site permanently. Good riddance to all it's non-sense and prejudice.

[sera300]

Originally Posted by fassol

I originally came to this board for relationship advice. Wouldn't have considered myself a "net guerrilla" by any means. However, it is clear now, that at sexinfo101.com there is strong prejudice against men who advocate the right for a baby to have their genitals untouched by a surgeons blade (Or those who oppose any advice by Brandye specifically). To demonstrate how disgusted I am with the fact that two specific self proclaimed medical professionals act as though this site is a fascist rule dictated from themselves, I am leaving this site permanently. Good riddance to all it's non-sense and prejudice.

Fassol--Have a nice day & good luck with your relationship issues. Best of wishes to you & your nurse...remember no sneaking in!

[CleverName]

I don't see the big deal. If your cut, you are, if you're not then you are not. Stop crying, its hardly a big deal. BK, you make it seem like this is so horrible poeple should riot in the streets. They are not being "mutilated" they are having surgery beneficial to their health. If they don't like it, O freakin well, not to many poeple are gonna see it anyways. I am cut, and I am more then happy with that. I am not a victim. I think its more attractive to be cut anways, gives you some shape. Maybe even gives the girl more stimulation during sex? (dunno about that)

This is just my opinion.

[fassol]

Originally Posted by sera300

Fassol--Have a nice day & good luck with your relationship issues. Best of wishes to you & your nurse...remember no sneaking in!

I had to respond to this. First thanks for the well wishes if they truly are sincere. After all, heated debates in one area do not mean I cannot be civil regarding another topic. I no longer have issues, however. Which is one reason also why I'm taking my leave now. I did have one issue and now it's all better thanks to yours and Doc2's advice.

I did bring up me sneaking in, however. After she mentioned that I should, I said that I had already thought about it. She gave me the password for her house, and I have snuck in twice already for cuddling and an afternoon romp. It was a ton of fun.

Regards,

-F-

[Massdebator]

I'm not an expert and I don't claim to be, but is "...taking a blade to an infant child's sexual organs," really any more "devastating" than cutting the umbilical cord? This is not an attack, but an honest question.

I think if this issue is ever going to be discussed in a civil manner the participants should stick to hard facts (reputable sources are nice). There is no need to get emotional or throw insults around. Going down a list of a person's comments and saying the comments are all ludicrous won't get anyone anywhere. Not only does this not present any new information to our community, but it's a prime example of juvenile behavior.

Female circumcision was brought up in this thread, and I wanted to go ahead and make an attempt to explain a little bit about this. I'm sure someone more qualified will fill in with a more detailed explanation, but I'll try at the least. The reasons for it being done vary from culture to culture, but it typically is done as a rite of passage for girls reaching womanhood. Women in these cultures cannot marry within their cultures without being circumcised, and as a consequence many who are aware of the risks and consequences are pressured into having the procedure performed. However, the number of women within these cultures that are opposed to the practice is steadily rising. Often times the circumcisions can result in life-long pain during sexual play or during daily life, many young girls/women die from blood loss shortly after the procedure, and the poor conditions under which the circumcisions are often performed result in various infections that can plague these young girls/women. This is vastly different from male circumcision, simply because male circumcision doesn't carry the inherent risks associated with female circumcision. Not only that, but I can't see how female circumcision has any benefit to hygiene, unlike it's male counterpart. Again, I'm no expert so if someone has any evidence that contradicts what I have written here, then I will happily stand corrected. However, what I have written is not based on political motives, cultural standards of beauty, etc. Therefore, any arguments based on anything other than medical facts have nothing to do with what I have said.

As for myself, I have weighed the pro's and con's of male circumcision and knowing what I know I'm very happy to be cut. However, as has been said before both arguments have their merits. Different strokes for different folks, eh?

[Ducy]

Oh man...I thought this thread was to talk about the fanatics coming on this board and making personal attack over something. I mean a man asks why circumsision isnt pushed as much and some advice about making a choice to get it or not...

What happens, a million people show up calling doctors out and saying they are not real doctors since they are advocating something, trying to act all intelligent by pointing out fallacies...

Now the same thing is happening. Brandye isnt bashing anti circ groups...she is bashing the ones who are like the peta demonstrators who dump paint on fur clothing. Rather than be civil and discuss things like an adult these people show up trashing other peoples opinions and acting like they are the most intelligent and correct people.

I agree with you brandye these threads should be removed because they do not answer the OP's question, but rather bash the op and tell them whats "right"

[Mr. Saint]

I have stated my position an infant circumcision and I am done with this debate. However I wanted to say something about female genital mutilation. Female circumcision (genital mutilation) refers to one of two things. The first is the removal of the prepuce of the clitoral glands. It is preformed it some high class regions of Middle Eastern and African countries. The prepuce of the clitoris can be related to the foreskin of the male; however it serves more of a prepuce in the female because of the extreme relative sensitivity of the clitoris.
The second is the removal of the entire clitoris. Unfortunately this is a far more common procedure in these countries. It causes sever sexual dysfunction in these women, often resulting in the inability to reach orgasm and even be properly aroused. This procedure has been deemed mutilation and a human rights violation by the United Nations. This is mostly just me paraphrasing my human sexuality text book. You can not compare it with male circumcision and I am against infant male circumcision. Sorry about being off topic, but I felt I had to say it. I agree with what Ducy said and I will shut up now.

[ml66uk]

If either of those thread were deleted, I would consider it censorship, pure and simple. In my opinion, both you and sera300 have swamped circumcision threads in the past with "strong statements of advocacy", and have posted misleading data, yet I wouldn't ask for those threads to be deleted.

The anti-circumcision case is not based solely on Australian opposition to neonatal circumcision (though I consider it a powerful argument that the medical organisations there are so against the practice, despite almost every Australian man over 40 being circumcised). I also posted the position statements of the AAP, CPS, and BMA. Surely those are relevant, and whether you consider me biased or not, they have to be worth reading.

"Blatant falsehoods and specious research". "Nonsense".
I very much disagree.

it sounds like circumcision is disappearing throughout the world. In actual fact, there are more infants circumcised today than in any previous years.
I challenge you to back that up. If you can't, I will consider it a "blatant falsehood". The circumcision rate has certainly dropped significantly in the USA, Canada, the UK, and Australia.