Sibling Incest/Masturbation

[ItalStall]

If anyone is interested, Merriam Webster's Dictionary defines incest as: "sexual intercourse between persons so closely related that they are forbidden by law to marry; also : the statutory crime of such a relationship".

Their definition of sexual intercourse is:
1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : COITUS
2 : intercourse involving genital to genital contact between individuals other than penetration of the vagina by the penis.

Therefore, by definition, mutual masturbation is not incest. Neither (up to a point) is even playing with each other! It might still be considered "icky", but then we're back to morals, innocent exploration versus exploitation (for very young kids), etc., etc.

I agree with Guido and yippi's positions on all this, so don't have much more to add.

[Tjdude]

but not every one will agree with that definition of sexual intercourse (just remember Bill Clinton saying ... "i did not have sexual intercourse with her" LOL ), not even the laws, and as we saw in other post in this forum some people will consider oral sex, fingering, etc, as "sexual intercourse" some others won't.

[hereandnow]

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Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (Tjdude @ Jan. 07 2003,13:24)](just remember Bill Clinton saying ... &quot;i did not have sexual intercourse with her&quot; LOL ),

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err ... i think it was &quot;sexual relations&quot; clinton said - not the same thing!

regarding definitions, we can all make up our own definitions to suit and self-justify our own perspective - that doesn't change the facts. i can say &quot;black is white&quot; if it makes me happy, but that doesn't make it so in reality!

[BMC]

A few days ago, I was in my room watching TV, my sister (17) and her boyfriend were upstairs in the living room. After a little while I started to her some giggling followed by moaning. My curiosity was driving me wild, it almost sounded like they were having sex, I slowly went upstairs, and I heard her b/f say to my sis &quot;Be quiet or your brother will hear you!&quot; I stopped halfway up the stairs and then I heard her say &quot;I don't care let him hear us&quot; Then I walk up the rest of the stairs and there they were on the floor ... [edited by moderator] ... where I could see them but if they didn't look that direction they wouldn't see me. Watching them really turned me on, so much so that i pulled out my penis and started to masturbate while watching them ... [edited by moderator] ... When they finished I snuck back to my room. The thing is, just this morning my sister confronted me and asked if I heard anything unusual that night. Well, I confessed to her. I told her I watched the whole thing. She said she knew I was watching, and she told her b/f after, and he didn't care but it made it more of a turn on. She then asked me if I would tape them with the camcorder the next time,because they want to make a tape of them having sex. That surprised me, I told her I would have to think about that. 2 questions: 1.Has I told ever seen a sibling have sex, and did it turn you on to watch? 2.Should I go ahead and tape them having sex, I'm not sure but it kind of excites me to think of the possibilities and different angles and close ups I could get but it could also be a little awkward, what does everyone think???

[This post has been heavily edited for length and gratuitous explicitness by the moderator. BMC ... we are aware that many people have unusual sexual inclinations (and the moderator makes no judgements on that). However, there is no need to give such lengthy and self-gratifying commentary. We welcome Members to share their experiences (whatever they may be), but this forum is not a venue for publishing &quot;memoirs&quot;. Please bear this in mind in future posts. Thank you - the moderator]

[Guido]

hey BMC,

you will note from my previous post that I am pretty open-minded (at least I like to think so). So, your exploits (while not my thing) don't shock me.

however, from your previous posts it is clear that you are about 20 and your sis is 17. My concern here is that as an older sibling you undoubtedly have a significant influence on her. That means you owe her not to abuse that &quot;trust&quot;. At 17 she is still very open to influence; you should respect that. At 20 yrs you have no excuse not to know better and control yourself.

do yourself and (more importantly) HER a favor. Go and get yourself a real g/f of your own and let her alone! If you can't use your position to be a good influence on her, then at least don't be a bad one ... especially just to gratify yourself!

when you are both full adults, then what you do is up to you and her. For now, don't be a parasite on her!

[zeke]

in my opinion i think it's wrong. but one has to admit that possibly someone is at one point and time curious about what they're bro or sis looks like naked. but i would never act on it. males and females who are in a relationship thooough i think at one point or another should masterbate in from of eachother to see how the other one likes to be touched and loved...

[xx22xx]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (shugotenshi @ Jan. 06 2003,20:05)]xx22xx - You answered your own question, by my opinion.

Sorry, what question did I answer for myself? I'm pretty sure I only said 'Because it conflicts with MANY people morals.&quot;

[SexGoddess]

Ah,this topic came back to life. lol

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BMC--Get a girlfriend. Don't video tape your sister. That's just going too far.

Anyways, While we're on the subject, I saw a show on TV where these parents give consent to these internet sites to take pictures of their daughters in suggestive,erotic poses. They're not nude but pretty damned close to it and it's ALL LEGAL!!!

The little girls are as young as 8 years old and I find it sick.
These girls go online once a month and chat to men all over the country and are asked certain questions like &quot;Do you like to suck lollipops?&quot; They are sent gifts,being paid lots of money and it's a big business because it's all all legal.

One of the mom's of a little girl was asked about what she thought of these men,mostly in their 40's and single what they thought about their little girls being asked such questions and she said nothing. When she was to be interviewed again, she refused to give an interview. Showing she IS wrong and knows it.

These parents that are actually willing to allow their children to do this are SICK and need help. They are probably the same people who would allow incest,are into beastiality and other sick sexual acts.

Little girls and little boys,CHILDREN should be allowed to be children. They should grow up in a secure,safe,healthy,nurturing,loving environment. and when you take that away, you are corrupting the child.


Anywho, I don't mean to categorize people or their actions unless they are into incest or child pornography. That is just unbelievably damaging to young children both emotionally and physically.


So, someone asked about sexual tabbo's and compared it to murder,violence and whatnot.

Well, when a murderer kills someone, they hide. Therefore, proving that they KNOW what they did IS WRONG!
Same as with incest, the people who do it, hide. They know it's wrong.

If you hide from something you know IS WRONG? Then you deserve the consequences of your actions wheather it be bubba's butt buddy in prison or death.

and onto Role playing:
Role playing is a game. But to have a fantasy where you want to play brother/sister,father/daughter,mom/son,rape scenarios is wrong. In my opinion, there are many ways to enjoy sex without going into a role play of incest,rape or beastiality to get your kicks. If you DO fantasize about it, chances are, you are probably one of these men who look at a young girl under 18 walking down the street and think something perverted.

Maybe I'm wrong on that but it is just my opinion and I make sure to stay clear of anyone into such things.

Enjoy sex. Enjoy your body and your partner.

*get's off the soap box cuz she's tired and rambling* LOL

[girlygirl]

Major flaw in your logic. Someone might also hide their sexual preference or an unusual birthmark. Does this prove that this person knows that these things are wrong? No, it proves that this person thinks that others think that they are wrong.

I am not saying that exploiting your children and masterbating with your brother are good things, just that the evidence you have given does not prove them to be bad things.

[SexGoddess]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]Someone might also hide their sexual preference or an unusual birthmark. Does this prove that this person knows that these things are wrong? No, it proves that this person thinks that others think that they are wrong.

I think you may have misunderstood my post.
What I am saying about incest,child pornography or things of this nature are wrong. We all know it is wrong as long as we're brought up with good morals and such.

I know people have hidden their sexual preferences, by this I am assuming you mean gay,Bi, or straight. Well, these preferences are NOT wrong. If they hide them, then they obviously have good reason to. There are many vicious people out there who hate others for the color of their skin,their sexual preference etc.... and that is sad that people are that way (the hatred).

From what I have seen through my line of work, child molestation,domestic abuse and such, the people who commit these crimes know that what they're doing IS WRONG, and they hide it.

We all know right from wrong. and when a child predator,murderer,theif (anything criminal and punishable by law) or an abusive husband hide, it's because they know it's wrong.