> I've read everything on this board about kissing (thanks big time doc).

Thanks, Langston, for the kudos.

> However, I'm still a bad kisser. I've had my share of kisses, and I can rarely get it to progress into anything more then kissing, and I know it's because I'm not doing a good job kissing.

I find two situations a play from reading your story. First, that you believe your kissing technique is poor; second, that you find it difficult or impossible to work your way to 1st base. One may or may not have anything to do with the other. For the sake of this discussion (and to humor me) let's presume the two are separate.

> I know it's important to devote a whole lot of time into kissing, but when I am I always feel like I got to move on to the breasts (way to early) because I need something new to do (as kissing is very repetitive and I am not good at it).

In reading all about kissing, did you also read all about the art of making out? There are several articles on this, beginning with this one and followed by Chapter Three of this second article, for starters. Please scroll down to the third chapter in the series.

There is a sequence to making out. Learn the steps and learn about the stages. Going for the breasts early, as you have noted, is neither good form or good manners. If she indicates that it is OK to involve them, then wait until she is very highly aroused before giving them more than a simple brush in passing. There is also an article on suggested techniques and stages for all of this. You'll find it listed in the Index.

> Any advice you can give me would be very much appreciated. I find it very hard to be on top of her kissing her for even up to 5 minutes.

Now, that sounds like way too much too soon. Why not kiss and caress while cuddling? Go back to the basics of making out and going around the bases. A person's skin is also their largest sexual organ. Even the most petite woman has enough to keep a man occupied for an hour before going any further, not that you would devote that long to Necking and Petting. Learn where her sensitive spots are, what causes her to shiver, to hug you tighter, to sigh, to giggle, to pant--to glow.

As for kissing: do not be so self critical or hard on yourself. Heck! Did you learn to ride a bicycle perfectly the first couple of times you sat upon one? NO. Same sort of thing with kissing. She knows and she understands that you are new to this and have little practice. Explore and learn together. It is silly to believe that you or her or anybody else has to perform perfectly right out of the gate. OH, and I think I've written something on this too, somewhere.

Please, take your time by going along slowly. Kissing will improve as you continue to practice. How many bases you go depends upon her, she sets the boundaries and is free to extend them when she is comfortable. In the meantime, get off of her, do not "jump her 'bones'", until way way later in the process.

I hope this is of help. Got questions?

A good kiss involves much more than simple lip contact. That's probably why you find it repetitive, because you are thinking that its just lip contact alone. The way you use your hands is very important too. Remember that when you are kissing somebody, there is also some close body contact. A kiss is also a hug. I find that when you hold someone close, it is usually best to place your hand in the small of her back and gently draw her close to you. But don't go for the big grope, that's just plain bad manners.

The most important thing about kissing, though, is to read the feedback from the other person. A good kiss is a kind of dialogue, where each person responds to the other. But if you don't get a positive response, don't try to push things, there's no point.

Personally, I love kissing, and I find it the most natural and easy thing to do. When it works well, I can really get lost in a kiss. It doesn't always work that well, but that doesn't mean you are a bad kisser. Sometimes the connection between two people just isn't there. Just accept that when it happens, but don't put yourself down because of it.

The following information was omitted from the "Kissing and Caressing" article due to the maximum word length imposed by the Board's software. Perhaps now is a good time to mention it.

Kissing the lips is just a single aspect of what can be done. A person's entire skin is an erogenous zone. As your hands roam and caress her face, neck, torso, arms, fingers, legs, feet, toes, back, and butt, you can also have your lips follow along, kissing and brushing the lips as you go.

Learn where her hot spots (and yours) are. Kissing and sucking fingers and toes can often be very erotic. Lots and lots of time can be spent and devoted to kissing each other. The pay off is heightened awareness, sensitivity, plus an increase in passion and "heat".

What I believe dancingdoc2 is saying is that kissing is an expression of touch, and there are many ways in which you can do that. If you think of it that way, then you can open up all sorts of possibilities which will lead to a more sensual and rewarding experience.

Well, don't think about it so much.

Get in to it... there's nothing worse than an awkward kiss. Don't let it get to that point.

Look at it this way, even if you're worried that you'll be bad at it, it's not like you can go through your whole life without ever kissing anyone. So why stress about it? Just do it.

What do women look for in a good kisser? A man with passion, it's a prelude to an expression of what he feels about you. Generally a nice gentle soft kiss which leads up to a more "in-depth" kiss. It's difficult to describe....you just do it and see her responses. I like it when someone draws me close and gently touches either my face or back, initially. As it heats up, well, the rest follows.

If you're unsure of what to do, let her kiss you once. The way she kisses you will demonstrate how she prefers (or is used to, at least) to be kissed, and you can work from there.

and don't rush it, a nice slow and long kiss is much better than the 'quick, we can kiss then move onto other stuff' kiss!

Don't fall into the trap of believing that you are not good at it. If a kiss doesn't work well, it just means that the mood is wrong, or maybe the two of you just don't connect well.

I've had some wonderful kisses over the years, but not every kiss is like that. Sometimes it just doesn't work, but it doesn't mean I'm a bad kisser, just that the connection with the other person is not there.

Just go with the flow and learn how to respond to the other person, but don't be discouraged if it doesn't always work.