Scientology vs Psychology

[Thresher_V]

Before any mods ban me, I just want to say that I think this is an important topic since it deals with Psychology. I believe it's a very useful and much needed field that Scientologists persecute.

Recently a group has declared "war" on Scis' because of things like this. If they keep going they will hurt more people who need that care and can't or won't go get it because of this "belief".

If you're wondering why I even bring it up here, it's simple. Think of how many more predators will be out there who won't get help because this group has been systematically targeting the doctors that offer it.

I could post actual web vids of their own meetings of how they brag about having licenses pulled. Tricks they use to put bad PR in papers globally denouncing Psychiatry and medication. Any of you who have been mothers know about post-partem depression and the medications you may take to get through it. If these people have their way, that could be gone.

Sorry it's just how i feel and I'll understand if you want me to never again mention this.

[DVDBear]

I don't know if the mods will shut this thread down, but I think Scientology's effect on legitimate psychology and psychiatric practices won't be much. When you've got Tom Cruise out there acting like a loon I really don't think that many people take them seriously. I admit they have a LOT of money and are sue happy but if they've been fighting this "war" practically since their inception with little impact.

[oedipussy]

Really? I think Tom Cruise really needs a good psychologist...

But they may actually have a point. For the most part psycology isn't doing people any favors. Obviously some people do require medication, but there are plenty being prescribed dangerous, unnecessary drugs for bull**** "diseases" like ADD and depression. They're like candy stores, except with drugs. So yeah - **** them!

[sera300]

You lost me on what you are referencing/citing. What happened????

Why would anyone ban you often people discuss religious topic and interests here. As long as no one converts me; I am happy! I am Catholic but that does not mean I "believe" as taught or even really believe in the religion [or any one religion] at this time. I maintain explaining what I was "taught", only to shed light on issues; however it's such a dichotomy. Have a marriage annulled in the Church? Then you are deemed as never "married"--go figure. I maintain what I do know [in religion] due to my brother's & wife's choice to raise their children Catholic & I am the God parent.

[Ducy]

Oed...I needed depression meds for a while...Im glad psychologists exist cuz I reached a real reckless point in my life...didnt care about anything, use to do 90 and 100 down streets...Found out it was all depression...which by the way isnt bull****.

Mom went through post-partem depression...Lucky for me and my sis there was meds cuz who knows what could have happened.

[oedipussy]

Ducy - you don't need pills to make you happy. People these days just don't want to be responsible for their feelings so they look for medical excuses. Every teenager in the world that ever had someone dump them suddenly think they suffer from depression... Relying on medication for things that can be fixed without it doesn't do anyone any favors. In fact, I'm 100% sure it creates even more issues. People need to learn how to deal with their personal problems on their own. There aren't any magic pills that can make it all just go away.

Yes, I was once "diagnosed with depression" as a teenager. Guess what - They were wrong. Been there, done that. There's no medical cause for teenage angst...

[Ducy]

Of course some teens just suffer plain old teenage hormones. But considering the fact that both sides of my family go through it, its basically genetic, I wouldnt think it to be bull...

I did try the alternatives. Such as running. (More endorphins=elevated moods) didnt help...lasted about 20 minutes and then back to that crappy feeling. And no it wasnt cuz my girlfriend.

It had started before we even got together, pretty much hit high school and just felt crappy, sad, and didnt wanna live. No doctor I talked to (or psychologist) thought this was teenage angest.

Thank god for welbutrin

[oedipussy]

Originally Posted by Ducy

pretty much hit high school and just felt crappy, sad, and didnt wanna live.

So basically what you're saying is that you were just a normal teenager, then?

Sorry, but being sad and wallowing in self-pity doesn't mean that there's something medically wrong with you. Everyone in this world is fully responsible for their emotions. They don't control you; you control them. You want to be happy? Then CHOOSE to be. Don't ever think that you need drugs to do that. I don't care who you are or what the hell you've been through - it's up to you and you alone. Surely your girlfriend has taught you something about overcoming things?

Perhaps a better question is: What price are you paying for that synthetic happiness? Are you even YOU anymore?

Do some research on Wesley Willis. The guy had severe schizophrenia and there weren't enough pills in the world to help him. But he still managed to do something positive with his life and fought his demons by making music. If someone that got that bum of a hand can live a moderately happy life, anyone can...

[Ducy]

Self pity? Believe me oed I cared nothing for myself...I could care a less about what others thought of me and I spent most of my time helping others...

If waking up every morning trying to figure out a reason to live. Being terrified to sleep at night because of the unknown, seing something happy and not feeling a single emotion phase through your body is just good old normal teenager than this is one screwed up world. And I dont take medication anymore...a few months and then i got off...ANd synthetic happiness...depression meds dont make you happy...they help you reach square 0 so that you can function enough to try and be happy.

Oh and yea so that guy managed to control schizophrenia without pills? Guess what? I bit through my bottom lip and got 13 stitches without pain meds. Wisdom teeth pulled...took vicodin the first day (couldnt remember it since I was out the whole time) next morning woke up ate a sandwich and nachos. (although many people I know couldnt eat for weeks.)

My point? Some people can handle mental things no problem. Others can handle physical things no problem. Played a whole basketball game with two broken fingers. (shooting hand) and still scored 16 points and was pointguard. Our shooting guard jammed a finger and had to be escorted off the court cuz it hurt so much.

Depression is also a documented medical condition. I mean hell they have proven it through medical tests with levels of brain chemicals.

[Ducy]

And if you are responsible for your emotions, then how come people get off on murder for temporary insanity due to loss of emotion control?

And you are still you with anti-depressants. It doesnt change your body, nor does it change your mind. It merely changes chemical balances in your body. I mean if it does change YOU then tylenol would change a person because it increases the levels of acetophetamine in your body...so your not your "natural" self