Adults still being virgins over the age of 20???

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Hehe, I wanted to see what the 'exchange of views' you were having was all about, so I now read the whole thread!

Anyway, I am with you on that the way Karate Girl presented her opinion was rather demeaning. Comparing virginity to not being able to work or dress... wow. We are not useless and can be (and indeed many of us are) productive members of society, working jobs, paying taxes and not causing trouble - so that is a pretty ludicrous assertion.

Nevertheless, I got the impression that she does not really think we are useless - she merely does not want to date us. That is a perfectly valid decision on her part and based on sound reasoning - she just doesn't want to deal with such issues. I don't think it is fair to criticize her on that. Her delivery of the thought on the other hand...

Originally Posted by keratin

So if the basic problem of these people, is that they are virgins and thusly some kind of scourge on the face of humanity then I for one see a very simple answer have sex with them and make them no longer virgins. Most assuredly that would fix it. If everyone who wasn't a virgin picked one person who was a 'late age virgin' and had sex with them, the world would obviously be a better place. In fact we should enforce it as law, once a person reaches 24, if they are still a virgin they'll be taken to a special government holding area and by right of law engage in copulation with a compatible human, thusly no one over 24 will be a virgin and thusly no one would be ooky for you.

She does not want to date virgins, so she should sleep with them? That makes little sense.

Oh and ouch, the governmental holding area you hypothesise sounds very Orwellian!

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Originally Posted by RATED-RKOFRANKLIN

Greendale has not been on this forum for nearly four years.

Woops

I guess I need to pay more attention to dates of the posts...

[EvilEvilKitten]

No, virgins aren't "useless" - it is just that being one has no real value.

In fact, nature itself is against the idea - please look up the facts on Hostile Mucus. Icky as that sounds. The AMA has the best info. Basicly, if she hasn't been exposed to sperm before a certain age, the muscus guarding her cervix will become spermicidal and thus will actively kill sperm making it impossible for her to have children. The age at which this occurs will vary from woman to woman but generally speaking this occurs somewhere in her 30's.

Men don't get off lightly either. After 40, men experience their own issues such as decreased sperm mobility and decreased sperm quality which decreases a man's effectiveness as a sire. Yes, he can get her pregnant but the chances of this happening are less than they would have been at age 25.

[keratin]

Originally Posted by EvilEvilKitten

No, virgins aren't "useless" - it is just that being one has no real value.

In fact, nature itself is against the idea - please look up the facts on Hostile Mucus. Icky as that sounds. The AMA has the best info. Basicly, if she hasn't been exposed to sperm before a certain age, the muscus guarding her cervix will become spermicidal and thus will actively kill sperm making it impossible for her to have children. The age at which this occurs will vary from woman to woman but generally speaking this occurs somewhere in her 30's.

Men don't get off lightly either. After 40, men experience their own issues such as decreased sperm mobility and decreased sperm quality which decreases a man's effectiveness as a sire. Yes, he can get her pregnant but the chances of this happening are less than they would have been at age 25.

Which is distressing...if you want children. I personally don't....and I already have ~ 5/8 of my genome passed on to the next generation without having to invest in any overt amounts of parental care or interpersonal investment...which is a good deal more than I'd have if I had a kid of my own (and really I'd only want one...).


There is more than one way to skin a cat; as they say.

[EvilEvilKitten]

Yep! avoidance of any responsibility and absolutely no fun whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by EvilEvilKitten

No, virgins aren't "useless" - it is just that being one has no real value.

OK, that is a fair position to hold.

In fact, nature itself is against the idea

Well, purely biologically-speaking, our only purpose of existence is to reproduce, so in that sense nature is definitely against the idea of virginity, but under such reasoning, nature is also against the idea of condoms and other forms of contraception.

please look up the facts on Hostile Mucus. Icky as that sounds. The AMA has the best info. Basicly, if she hasn't been exposed to sperm before a certain age, the muscus guarding her cervix will become spermicidal and thus will actively kill sperm making it impossible for her to have children. The age at which this occurs will vary from woman to woman but generally speaking this occurs somewhere in her 30's.

I had not heard of Hostile Mucus prior to your mentioning it in this thread. I googled a few articles on it and from the few articles I skimmed or read it sounds like the mucus becomes too viscuous for sperm to pass, but not actually spermicidal, though the effect is the same - infertility. The causes of the condition were generally stated to be medical, such as taking of some types of drugs, including some that help induce ovulation. There was no mention that exposure to sperm earlier in life can help mitigate the effect. Than again, I didn't find anything about it on the AMA website, so maybe the articles were simply incomplete.

Anyway, coitus when wearing condoms does not (or at least should not!) expose the women to sperm, so even if what you say is true, presumably women who have practiced 'safe sex' have the same risk of developing hostile mucus as virgins. It is unfortunate that women have to suffer this, but luckily the condition appears to be treatable at least to some extent. The articles indicated that the mucus can be thinned and thus be made less hostile.

Men don't get off lightly either. After 40, men experience their own issues such as decreased sperm mobility and decreased sperm quality which decreases a man's effectiveness as a sire. Yes, he can get her pregnant but the chances of this happening are less than they would have been at age 25.

Yes, the part about male deterioration of sperm quality I have heard before - it is indeed unfortunate, but earlier (say prior to 25) sexual exposure will not help avoid that - only earlier conception will. It has even been popularly dubbed the 'male menopause', though the term doesn't seem to fit, as I would guess sperm quality decreases gradually over time, rather than being consistently high and then dropping off suddenly at a certain age/moment, whereas women stop menstruating more abruptly (though I suppose there is a build up to that too, with decreasing fertility long before that time, so maybe the analogy is not as bad as I made it out to be).

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Originally Posted by EvilEvilKitten

Yep! avoidance of any responsibility and absolutely no fun whatsoever.

Avoidance of responsibility? What responsibility have I avoided? My only responsibility is to get my genes into the next generation...considering I haven't any children, the fact I've got about half of it out there...not bad...

What's fun about getting shot down all the time? Because you obviously think that's what I'll do because I'm so worthless...and you've basically said I'll suck...so I don't see where the fun comes into it...

[EvilEvilKitten]

If you were ignored - totally ignored as if you were merely a fiction, an invisible man - you would RELISH even rejection - because it would mean that other people had noticed your existence if just for that moment.

Imagine what it is like not being seen. No holidays, no birthdays, no friends, no colleagues, not even a pallbearer - just a sticker on the forehead of your dumped corpse in the gutter awaiting pick-up by the garbagemen. There are those who have to live like that for one reason or another.

But you seem bent on choosing that deliberately.

You've built walls to protect yourself from rejection but in doing so - you have also made yourself invisible.

[keratin]

Originally Posted by EvilEvilKitten

If you were ignored - totally ignored as if you were merely a fiction, an invisible man - you would RELISH even rejection - because it would mean that other people had noticed your existence if just for that moment.

Imagine what it is like not being seen. No holidays, no birthdays, no friends, no colleagues, not even a pallbearer - just a sticker on the forehead of your dumped corpse in the gutter awaiting pick-up by the garbagemen. There are those who have to live like that for one reason or another.

But you seem bent on choosing that deliberately.

You've built walls to protect yourself from rejection but in doing so - you have also made yourself invisible.

It's better that way though...isn't it? I mean...I'm not hurting anyone at least.

I don't have friends...per se. I really don't like holidays...it's always such a fuss and people just start to argue...birthdays are embarrassing. I've never approved of funerals...plus if there wasn't anyone around that would remember and care...it would make things much easier.

At least when people don't care...or don't notice you; you can imagine that maybe they would accept you...but once you find out that they don't...it rather ruins the illusion. I don't think I could ever relish people saying...they don't really like me; that they tolerate me because at times I'm baseline useful; because I don't bother them more or less...but if they had a choice they'd rather me not be around more often than not.

[EvilEvilKitten]

No, it isn't better that way.
You know this - that's why you're here.