Incest

[sera300]

Originally Posted by boneman8

Why? If two strangers can have consenual sex, why can't two family members who love and care about each other? We lead normal lives and don't need to see a shrink. Like I posted earlier, we are having a very intense sexual relationship. It has not affected our relationships with our spouses. We do need to be more careful though. We lost track of time the other day and almost got caught when my wife came home.

As I said; psychotherapy. It's incest; illegal & immoral. Unethical, freudian, etc. And if found out in the US they take you off to prison. Obviously you are missing the whole point of society & I do wish you both use birth-control. This is where the inbreds come in.

[raez]

Not to mention how psychologically messed up that is..its just plain against nature. Incest runs the risk of severe medical problems for any kid that might be produced as a result, therefore it makes no sense from a biological stand point to be having sex with one's siblings. As far as the emotional and physical needs that sex fulfills, thats what your WIFE is there for, you shouldn't have to be looking to your SISTER to fill those needs. As morally wrong as I find incest, its the fact that the two of you are so totally ok with the fact that you are cheating on your spouses that really makes this disturbing. Just imagine how damaging this could be to them if they were to find out that not only were you cheating, but doing so as an incestuous relationship. You may be ok with the relationship, but if you loved your spouses you wouldn't be doing such a horrible thing to them, and yes it is horrible even if they don't find out, but I'm pretty freaking sure they will someday. If you had any moral fiber in your being you would end this freaky relationship with your sister for the sake of your wife and family, otherwise you and she are just being plain selfish.

[raez]

As for myself, when I was in middle school I had a very small crush on my cousin who was a year older and was an incredibly good looking kid...however, he was also adopted, so there was no blood relation whatsoever. Even so, I would never have dreamed of doing ANYTHING with him because adopted or not, he was family and I had grown up always knowing him as nothing but my cousin. It would have really weirded me out to think of pursuing him in anyway.

And yes, incestuous relationships used to be a common thing, particularly between cousins.. however that was long before the medical and genetic consequences were known, and it was also practiced for social class reasons, to keep noble blood lines "pure" or in small populations, out of lack of options. Now we know that that is all a load of ...., that it does bad things to offpsring, so it is no longer an acceptable practice in our society.

[shaved bi]

Being bisexual, I have had gay sex with a cousin several times. The two of us enjoyed it and saw nothing wrong with it.

[TnL329]

Anyone who has anything to do with a family member, sexually, gay or not, is a total freak. They ought to be locked up for life. Freaks like that should not be on the street.

[Jonathan_Philips]

It's a very interesting subject. I suppose that if two well-adjusted, consenting adults of the same family were to indulge in sex where there was no chance of impregnation then the argument "where's the harm" would be rather hard to contest.

I am afraid my knee-jerk reaction is to say that it is somehow 'unnatural', but then the response could be that only so far as sex between members of the same gender is also. Yet I do not believe this and fully support an individuals right to be homosexual or bisexual without prejudice.

A strange one that I will ponder further and will, for the time being, withhold judgment.

[smallestoftheclan]

Originally Posted by Jonathan_Philips

It's a very interesting subject. I suppose that if two well-adjusted, consenting adults of the same family were to indulge in sex where there was no chance of impregnation then the argument "where's the harm" would be rather hard to contest.

I am afraid my knee-jerk reaction is to say that it is somehow 'unnatural', but then the response could be that only so far as sex between members of the same gender is also. Yet I do not believe this and fully support an individuals right to be homosexual or bisexual without prejudice.

A strange one that I will ponder further and will, for the time being, withhold judgment.

Some may say that sex between two people of the same sex is immoral yet others see it as acceptable. The fact that two people that are related is totally immoral and the discovery would be horrific for all family members I think. What it takes for a homosexual person to come out, as it is said, takes courage because of the ridicule they may or may not get from their families, friends, co-workers and society as a whole.
I don't see a brother and a sister, or any other related people, coming out. Obviously the O/P has some clue in his head that this activity is WRONG. It is hidden and knows that it is something that unless discovered will not be spoken of. If it all that ok, divorce your respective spouses and share the fact that you have fallen in love with each other. How do I know that isn't going to happen. And for you to disrespect your wife by doing your sister in her home is worthy of having your penis chopped off.
see below:
"Why? If two strangers can have consenual sex, why can't two family members who love and care about each other? We lead normal lives and don't need to see a shrink. Like I posted earlier, we are having a very intense sexual relationship. It has not affected our relationships with our spouses. We do need to be more careful though. We lost track of time the other day and almost got caught when my wife came home."

[sera300]

I believe the morality factor comes in as; the knowledge of the family member & how they may be related.

I have seen 20/20 where a brother & sister met as a couple and did not know they were in fact siblings since one was given away at birth. They had to have their marriage annulled & have agreed to never reproduce; more so due to the genetics. These were two random strangers who met, fell in love, no one knew until after the wedding a few years later.

Those who are cousins, even first, through marriage alone...no true bloodlines crossing; in fact are strangers if raised without being so personal. I have a first cousin, did not know, had a crush on him as a kid, and yet we had no genetic ties...we found we were only cousins through a marriage. Wrong? Too close for comfort, we were kids, and it was always a crush until we found out we were related.

Nowadays we have reformed family's. Both parents marry with children about 6-10 y/o. Now, let them hit puberty & dating? Although, they are not blood related it causes issues in the household since there is generally a Male/female attraction to those you live with yet have no relation other than marriage to.

Parents & siblings with same blood lines? Sorry, sick to me. Very sick to me. I love my brother dearly & would do anything for him; however, any movement beyond a "Brotherly" hug is just gross, much less engaging in sex. And he is a good looking man but he is my brother who I can talk to about sex; had to have the talk with him when he was 15 [since my parents would not] and to date if I am involved with someone he knows yet does not want to hear any vague details if I had a question. The extent of "sex talk" is related to me saying have a great b-day or anniversary & his response being...I am not getting any! Or me asking him a specific question about men in general. But he would never tell me in his opinion "what a man wants & how"...he would freak out.

Having sex with direct blood lines is, well; pretty sick. A distant relative you had no contact with? I can see a sexual attraction initially but not wishing to act on it in reality--thoughts are to keep in your own mind. Meaning you see your older mother's Aunt which you have no real contact with; may find her looking hot, but acting on the actions? NO WAY!

The brother & sister thing to me from the other poster is well...very disturbing. One, they are relatives so close in genetics. Two, are in fact having an affair while not being truthful with their spouses. Three, just too close as a family unit since the correct dynamics are mentally warped. I honestly find this to be a form of a mental illness since the family unit was established and the boundry's are not maintained.

[smallestoftheclan]

Discovering a lover is in fact related after the relationship has started as two people meeting or being introduced outside the home rather than two people that grew up in the same home is different. If being a child who had been put up for adoption and as an adult discovering thru exploring my biological roots that I was in or I had been in a relationship with a biological sibling I would need counseling.
If thru exploring this I discovered I was married to a sibling could I continue this relationship, on the same level. It might be a few weeks of intense therapy. Obviously if children were involved I would want to give them 100% of mom, yet after discovering this how is it explained to them? And what tests would I want to make sure that they are ok. Should these children have children of their own, many birth defects show up in future generations, and the terror of birth defects would obviously be a large fear.
Before I am hung out to dry. I was born with a congenital heart defect. Not a product of two siblings simply something that I was born with and inherited from my dad's mom. I have multiple heath issues, common among those of us born with a congenital defect. I made the decision early in life, around 12 when I had my open heart surgery that I was not going to have children myself. This was something, among others, that was discussed between myself, my parents and my doctors. No competing in sports, I so did want to throw myself down the alps (downhill skiing), and no kids.
This all just makes my skin crawl....

[sera300]

I agree...makes my skin crawl. The couple they covered [I believe it was 20/20 or Dateline] had not gotten to the child part yet. They found out about 2 years into their marriage & went for permanent sterilization [both]. Although their marriage was deemed null & void upon this discovery 2 years later; they did continue to live as husband & wife, choosing to adopt in the future. I felt really bad for them.

Oh, and the crush I had on a unknown cousin to me--we were in third grade! Meanwhile, did not know were cousins through a marriage which occurred from a previous divorce...no bloodlines involved!

I often joke; I did not have a child [born] since I often thought I was just not good genetic material! I can say now; I am pleased I did not have a child due to past medical issues and the outcome of the marriage...I would have a really difficult time allowing him near a child which was born to me & would have fought him to hell to keep custody from him directly [not his family though]. But sex with a family member? Yeak! Often I go out with my Father for business or such & I correct people really fast when they refer to me as his wife [same if I am out with my brother]. The mere reference is enough to correct the fact before anyone makes an assumption.