USA President 2004

[girl12]

also if ur gonna respond can u respond to the whole post and not just like a sentence....gracias it makes it a lot easier and less tedious. *

[experimenter]

I love the fact that being a strong christian is considered a bad thing around here. I'll take that as a compliment.

Herpleasure- hey congrats on being an athiest-takes a lot of faith to say we're accidents of nature.

Part of believing in a religion (for me) is believing that it is the one true faith. I don't acknowledge any other "religion". Since you are a self proclaimed athiest, I know I'm just wasting the time it is taking to type this reply, but here it goes anyway.

Yes, granted that if it was years past, I would not be allowed to say what I have, but had it been years past, it would not have even entered my mind to speak out in the first place. I don't believe we would even be having this conversation. We wouldn't be arguing about gay marriage, cause it would definately have not been something that would have been discussed.

God created Adam, and then created Eve to be Adam's partner. He didn't create Harold or Charley.

[girl12]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (experimenter @ Sep. 03 2004,22:30)]I love the fact that being a strong christian is considered a bad thing around here. *I'll take that as a compliment.

Herpleasure- hey congrats on being an athiest-takes a lot of faith to say we're accidents of nature.

Part of believing in a religion (for me) is believing that it is the one true faith. *I don't acknowledge any other "religion". *Since you are a self proclaimed athiest, I know I'm just wasting the time it is taking to type this reply, but here it goes anyway.

Yes, granted that if it was years past, I would not be allowed to say what I have, but had it been years past, it would not have even entered my mind to speak out in the first place. *I don't believe we would even be having this conversation. *We wouldn't be arguing about gay marriage, cause it would definately have not been something that would have been discussed.

God created Adam, and then created Eve to be Adam's partner. *He didn't create Harold or Charley.

its good that we talk, wut did martin luther king start out doing? he TALKED to people...wut did ghandi do? he TALKED to people....also...wut if we dont believe in adam and eve? since i am not religious i will try to express this best i can....the bible is VERY sexist...as u can see....eve was originally a rib....so that means that eve was created from adam. god obviously created MORE adams and MORE eves....and he did create harolds and charlies......according to religious people...because there are harolds and charlies everywhere....being homophobic is JUST like being racist...or sexist...except its against gay people. it is discrimination, saying that gay people cant marry is sayin that they dont deserve as good as treatment as straight people deserve....that is sick.

[HerPleasure06]

experimenter,
Lol neither on one of us is going to convince the other on our beliefs. Lets get the record straight though, I never said being a strong Christian was bad I just implied they are generally narrow minded(btw: you have wonderful point making skill) im not going to get into a debate on what would have entered your mind…not much point to that, but realize atheists are some of the most open people, most of us listen to every thing we can just so we can have more of an idea on why we think the way we do…and as long as were talking about facts we love…. I love the fact that you completely ignored the idea of freedom of choice I wrote about just so you could tell us how your happy that because of religion you can say that you only believe in your faith and every body else is wrong.
Hum seems to me that there is a word that describes your feelings on this… wont give you the word its self just the definition you can figure the rest out on your own: “a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices” definition from M-W online
its not name calling she just happens to fit the meaning of the word

[girl12]

excellent posts herpleasure...i would also like to give credit to oberon, thetease, and demonbuttercup....

but really herpleasure ur really smart in my opinion ive liked all of ur posts....

[Jaybee]

Well, I'm not American, but I would vote for a trained monkey in place of Bush, so I guess it would be Kerry.

I ran a poll on another website asking for NON-Americans to cast their votes. *Incidentally, the site was a Sci-Fi appreciation one, and while the Americans were split absolutely evenly down the middle, NON-Americans were overwhelmingly for Kerry, or more precisely against Bush. *I remember making the poll as open and as encouraging for BOTH sides as possible. *I got to 15 Non-Americans for Kerry, and none for Bush, when I decided to add a paragraph almost begging for a Non-American Bush supporter to come forward. *

The votes kept rolling in for Kerry, and got to around 36 before I quit following. *I've asked family and friends if they support Bush. *Again, NOBODY does. *Not one single individual has expressed anything positive whatsoever to Bush.

The moral of the story is that I simply don't understand how such a hard bedrock of support for Bush can exist in America. *If you look at the polls, he has an almost guaranteed 40% who would almost slice off their own right arms before voting for anyone else. *Kerry's support, while it is sometimes numerically greater overall than Bush's, doesn't contain that same hard-core, and I would go so far as to say he doesn't have supporters AT ALL, he has Bush detesters.

So, for the reasons stated above, I think this years campaign will be an extremely negative one. *One one hand, so many people dislike Bush and his policies. *On the other, just as many are scared of the effect of ANY change of admin on the timing/severity of the next terrorist attack.

This is not what politics should be about. *Instead of voting in the guy LEAST likeliest to experience an attack in his 04-08 term, Americans should consider which of the two is MOST likeliest to allow the smallest possible loss of life in the long term. *I don't think they are doing so in their decision-making processes, regardless of who those processes lead them to favour.

I should add, by the by, that although I agree with the message and intent of Michael Moorers film, I do not care for the flavour of delivery. *The pressure to 'dumb down' in society is already tremendous, and although it is indeed carrying a useful message, the film smacks too much of propaganda for my liking.

[HerPleasure06]

a lot of Americans are exactly what others think of Americans…ignorant and stupid…that said bush is the definition of ignorant and stupididity…hence the +40 % you see in polls

opps sorry 40% that might have been insulting

[Orbital]

Please, American voters, we beg you for the sake of the international community to vote Kerry.

One of the most shocking things to hear this week was the Republican masses booing the name of the UN when Cheney commented on Kerry's statement that he would not authorise force unless sactioned by the UN. Granted the UN is foot-dragging over Sudan because of locked debate there, but isn't it ironic that when Bush visits the UN in NEW YORK that it really does feel like he's going to another planet?

I'm writing this as a European - and on this side of the Atlantic we're on tenterhooks hoping, praying even, for a Kerry win.

[oberon]

First off, this poll is open to EVERYONE- Americans and non- alike. *That's why I phrase the question "who are you/WOULD you vote for". *I would ask if you are not American to please post and tell everyone... just so we have some idea of the larger world's opinion. Thanks.

Experimenter, I'm so glad that your God tells you that it is okay to make life changing decisions for someone else. *My God says we have free will. *He never said legislate Christianity... what good would that do? *It's like forced freedom (Dubya's backup reason for the war in Iraq) and it's an oxymoron. *You can't MAKE someone be free- they have to WANT to be free. *You can't make someone a Christian. *They have to choose it of their own free will. *

You say that we "can't pray in school" or "say the Pledge of Alligence". *Wrong. *Anyone can do anything they like. *They- as HerPleasure so aptly put it- have the CHOICE. *What YOU mean is no one is forcing people to pray or say the pledge. *You shouldn't have to force anyone- it should be a Priviledge. *If it's forced it doesn't mean a thing.

You say that you don't believe in gay marriage. *Fine. *Don't have one. *Don't go to one. *But DON'T tell me that I'm not entitled to have one if I so choose. *My marriage to anyone I choose has absolutely NO effect on you at all. *It harms no one. *What you are saying is that your rights are more important than mine. *That's a VERY Christian attitude- straight from the Crusades.

Incidentally, I, too, am a Christian (and no, I won't argue with you about how I reconcile being gay and being a Christian). *I am very happy and very proud to be a Christian. *The most important tenet of this faith is to love everyone. *To me that means as long as you aren't trying to dictate what I believe, you are free to believe anything you like. *It's also interesting to me that you completely condemn every other religion on earth. *If you look at the numbers, Christians make up less than 20% of the world's population. *That's an awful lot of people who are wrong. *Just something to think about.

[oberon]

Girl12, I really hope you are old enough to vote. The country could use more people like you.