USA President 2004

[experimenter]

well, okay, I get that you're pissed off that we currently have a president that doesn't support abortion or gay marriage. These are issues that I happen to agree with the president on. ABORTION is murder, I don't care how you try to sugar coat it, that's what it is. I can't stand all the bullsh*t about "oh it's just a couple of cells". tell that to a mother who lost her much wanted child and couldn't do a damn thing about it. Nothing pisses me off more than to see some stupid irresponsible person having an abortion because the child would be an "inconvenience". I mean come on, birthcontrol is so readily available now it's ridiculous! There's no reason for someone who doesn't want to have a child to end up pregnant, it's their own irresponsibility that caused the pregnancy in the first place, and I am a firm believer that people have to accept the consequenses of their actions.

Back when the consititution was first written, religion was a big part of things. The world was a better place then. Now we have all kinds of crazy people saying you can't pray in school, you can't say the pledge of allegience etc, etc, etc. Look where the world is now. It's almost the norm for people to get divorced creating broken families and children who end up with emotional problems. I personally have nothing against gay people, but I am certainly not going to support their lifestyle or make it easier for them to go against the kind of relationship that God intended us to have. (Yes, I brought God into it, go ahead and groan, I don't care)

I can already hear the outrage and the insults that I am "close minded" so taking a page from Tease's book, "I don't want to hear it!"

[girl12]

also i'd like to add that oberon and demonbuttercup u 2 rock!!
o and herpleasure u rock too!

[girl12]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (experimenter @ Sep. 03 2004,20:58)]well, okay, I get that you're pissed off that we currently have a president that doesn't support abortion or gay marriage. *These are issues that I happen to agree with the president on. *ABORTION is murder, I don't care how you try to sugar coat it, that's what it is. *I can't stand all the bullsh*t about "oh it's just a couple of cells". *tell that to a mother who lost her much wanted child and couldn't do a damn thing about it. *Nothing pisses me off more than to see some stupid irresponsible person having an abortion because the child would be an "inconvenience". *I mean come on, birthcontrol is so readily available now it's ridiculous! *There's no reason for someone who doesn't want to have a child to end up pregnant, it's their own irresponsibility that caused the pregnancy in the first place, and I am a firm believer that people have to accept the consequenses of their actions.

Back when the consititution was first written, religion was a big part of things. *The world was a better place then. *Now we have all kinds of crazy people saying you can't pray in school, you can't say the pledge of allegience etc, etc, etc. *Look where the world is now. *It's almost the norm for people to get divorced creating broken families and children who end up with emotional problems. *I personally have nothing against gay people, but I am certainly not going to support their lifestyle or make it easier for them to go against the kind of relationship that God intended us to have. (Yes, I brought God into it, go ahead and groan, I don't care)

I can already hear the outrage and the insults that I am "close minded" so taking a page from Tease's book, "I don't want to hear it!"

first of all, did u read all my other info on him? yes i am pissed off at the things u mentioned but he also did other horrible stuff.
abortion is a woman excersizing her rights to her own body. i told u people kill millions of cells everyday. and bush kills innocent people who WERE born. as for the woman who lost her much wanted child, that woman is responsible for her own actions, she got an abortion, if she got pregnant b4, she can do it again. and wut if someone gets raped? in that situation, u cant do a god damned thing, unless u know how to defend urself against ur attacker, u get raped, u get pregnant, and then...wut the hell...u might be pysically ready but take into mind u r probably not emotionally, mentally, or financially prepared for a child. having a child and giving it up for adoption is another option, but we have options, personally, the abortion is better and i would have no problem getting one if i wanted/needed one.

about the religion, i am agnostic, go ahead and groan and preach...i dont care either. first of all, isnt it just sooooo empowering to know EXACTLY wut 'god' thinks and wants? i thought religious people r supposed to be nice to others, not stifle others opinions and lifestyles. if 'god' never wanted gay people to get married, then y the hell did he create marriage, and y the hell did he create gay people? once again i am not religious but those r my views. so, homosexual people have less of a reason to get married? straight people get married all the time, so y cant gay people get married? if u say its 'god's' will, i will say this again, how do u know wut the hell 'god' wants?

so basically that whole post of urs was saying that gay people AND women rnt allowed to excersize their rights as a human being....wow...this is supposed to be a free and equal country.

[experimenter]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (girl12 @ Sep. 03 2004,21:39)]as for the woman who lost her much wanted child, that woman is responsible for her own actions, she got an abortion, if she got pregnant b4, she can do it again.

Ok, first of all, what the hell post were you reading???!!!! what I said was "I can't stand all the bullsh*t about "oh it's just a couple of cells". tell that to a mother who lost her much wanted child and couldn't do a damn thing about it." I never once said she had an abortion. You know how I know?! that mother was me! I did NOT have an abortion! Losing my child was NOT MY CHOICE!! She had a fairly rare condition that prevented her from surviving outside the womb. Knowing this when I was still pregnant, did I abort my child? HELL NO!!!

[Tessie]

((((((experimenter))))) Your post were both great.

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]i am very politically active i know my stuff, please read this post and take it into consideration.

So am I Girl12 and I don't go to the likes of Micheal Moore for my facts. Its late now but I will be back to address much on this thread.

I will also try and ask everyone to keep it civil and let's discuss the facts and not do name calling.

[girl12]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (experimenter @ Sep. 03 2004,21:53)]

Ok, first of all, what the hell post were you reading???!!!! *what I said was "I can't stand all the bullsh*t about "oh it's just a couple of cells". *tell that to a mother who lost her much wanted child and couldn't do a damn thing about it." *I never once said she had an abortion. *You know how I know?! *that mother was me! *I did NOT have an abortion! *Losing my child was NOT MY CHOICE!! *She had a fairly rare condition that prevented her from surviving outside the womb. *Knowing this when I was still pregnant, did I abort my child? *HELL NO!!!

im sori the way that u were sayin it made it sound like u had an abortion, thats wut i thought. r u gonna respond to anything else on my post?

[HerPleasure06]

You may not want to hear it but the truth hurts. Just a guess that I’m dealing with a strong Christian, I’m going to try to keep this post as professional as possible but you touched a lot of nerves so that may be hard…
let me start out with abortion the truth of the matter is that no matter what you say spiritually, in reality if you take a look at an embryo during development it is nothing more than cells. Depending on your religion you may say it already has a “soul” or special life force what ever you want to call it, and that’s great that you think that way because you live in a place where your government allows free thought and you have the choice to think that way. Here is what’s not cool: trying to make it so whether they agree with it or not they have 2 follow it, that’s what your doing if you are pro life, you want it so there is no CHOICE. The interesting part about being pro choice which I am is if abortion becomes a legal CHOICE then people can choose to do it… yes I just stated the obvious but here’s the point I’m trying to make as long people have the ability to they can be happy, you will be given the choice never to do it, and as much as you want to argue otherwise someone else having an abortion does not hurt you. But flip it and not having the choice to abort a pregnancy can and will hurt a lot of people while you are untouched and continue to live in ignorant bliss.

“Back when the consititution was first written, religion was a big part of things. *The world was a better place then” Yes look at where the world is now, you as a woman now have the right to say what you just did… you in fact have very close to the same rights as a man, which should be completely the same rights because there is no difference but if you think the world was better back then just a bit of info, you would have been cast out of society if as a girl you would have tried to voice your opinions by law you wouldn’t of had that choice. *See why lack of choice is unjust?

Moving right along “the type of marriage god intended us to have” I’m an atheist with nothing against religion until people try to use it like that... maybe I miss understood you but are you trying to say that your god sets the rules for what marriage is right for everybody in the world? What about Buddhists and hinduists and all the other religions? Is your Christian god the only god sanctioned to say what is intended for the human race as a whole? If u didn’t see this coming I’m going right back to my point about taking away others choices, its great that you believe in a god all the power to you, but its wrong when you use try to do things like pass laws or elect presidents that you know will try and take away others right to choose what’s right for them.

That about sums up my feelings. One last note to experimenter and tessy: Try to think of it broader than just you, if others have the ability to Marry the same sex, or abort a unwanted pregnancy it doesn’t hurt you, and what it all comes down to is if you elect bush he will make it so even people that don’t believe in the Christian right and wrongs must follow them and have no choice otherwise.

Part of what makes America beautiful in theory is that it’s one of the few places that allows you to choose on so many issues, lets all do are part to try and keep it that way

[experimenter]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (experimenter @ Sep. 03 2004,12:14)]And as far as all the stuff posted about Bush, well I'm sure there are things that are equally damaging about Kerry. *I also think that things can be read many different ways to suit a particular parties interests. *

I thought I already covered what I thought about the stuff that had been posted about Bush.

I have another question for all of those who are pissed off about the war. Why is it that you all get pissed at the person giving the order to go to war, when it was all the soldier's choices to join the military in the first place. I mean what, are you trying to say that they all joined the military thinking that there was no way they would have to fight a war at some point? Give me a break.

[HerPleasure06]

not so much the person that gave the order as the order its self

[girl12]

its more that we had NO REASON to go to war. we r killing our OWN innocent people and other countries' innocent people over a an accusation that the bush administration made....give ME a break