USA President 2004

[lilly2279]

See. People still getting all hot under the collar.

The only reason Kerry doesn't have a huge list of things he has done wrong is because he hasn't really done a whole lot of anything. And is that really so great? What has he done that is so wonderful?

George is president, so there's going to be quite a few things he can do. It's not like he just said "let's go to war" and noone else was involved in the decision. He did what he thought was right for the time and from the information he got. I"m not saying "noone is perfect" meaning that he can just be a major screw up and I wouldn't care. But when you're that much in the public eye, there are going to be lots of people looking for mistakes. Oh well!

Sorry republicans make you sick. We won't go so far as to be rude to you for your opinions, alrightie? You may have your opinions all you want.

[demonbuttercup]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (lilly2279 @ Sep. 13 2004,20:29)]It's not like he just said "let's go to war" and noone else was involved in the decision. *He did what he thought was right for the time and from the information he got. *

yeah he pretty much did that.
He went against the UN and other countries in a decision and decided to attack Sadam.

you're right, Kerry hasn't done much only b/c he hasn't had the opportunity.
Bush's commercials say he's all about bringing jobs and health care to America.
if he can do that, why hasn't he already? he's had 4 yrs but nothing has happened, only gotten worse. in my opinion, its a little late to start trying. he's a day late and a dolla' short. lol

[WallyLlama]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (girl12 @ Sep. 13 2004,17:45)]

that makes me sick...i havent been living for that long and i have experienced more hardships than a lot of adults i know....and guess wut? IM A LIBERAL WOOHOO! a liberal seems more of a person who believes in equal rights for EVERYONE and has the balls to stand up for wut they believe in...instead of (quote:tessie) smiling and nodding.

The responses to my statement indicate that the point was missed; I guess that should not be a surprise.

Engaging in pointless arguments does not qualify as "standing up" for what I believe in... and most of the arguments presented on this thread are pointless... as I've attempted to point out previously there has been some rather flawed logic applied and some very creative "facts" presented. There is also a tendency to ignore facts that won't support the desired conclusion.

The fundamental flaw in this particular post is that equal rights for everyone is a possibility. Can't happen unless everybody wants the same thing. It's great rhetoric and sounds lofty but you'll never be able legislate equality. The point of the quote is in a large part that most people only favor equal rights until their own rights are threatened.

Unemotional responses are welcome, but not really expected.

[oberon]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (lilly2279 @ Sep. 13 2004,20:29)]But when you're that much in the public eye, there are going to be lots of people looking for mistakes. *Oh well!

I have to ask, Lilly... as a Republican, did you take this same attitude during the Clintion/Lewinski situation?

[oberon]

I'd be interested to hear about some of the "unsupported arguments" that have supposedly been given here. I'd really like to hear just one thing that Dubya has done that has benefited this country. Just one. Anybody??

[demonbuttercup]

lol anyone? anyone?

*chirp*chirp*chirp*

guess not...lol.

ps, those are crickets by the way

[HngLkAMouse]

I need to play devil's advocate here.

I am by NO MEANS a Bush supporter nor do I make excuses FOR him, but in order to make an intelligent argument against someone, you cannot exaggerate the"facts" so that they become an opinion.

Because you (and I) disagree with the deception(s) that led us over to Iraq... the bottom line is that Bush engaged us in a military endeavor supported by VOLUNTEER troops (our U.S. Military) who fully supported him (initially) in this. GWB in no way, shape or form MURDERED anyone, nor should he be blatantly labeled as such.

Did people die at his discretion...? Yes! But so have millions of others over history that volunteered their lives to support the efforts of our government. I am NOT saying his decisions were right... and I am NOT saying that the people who have all died, died for a GOOD cause or the RIGHT reasons... BUT...!!! as much as it pains me to defend him, I must say that it is unfair to say that G.W.Bush being a murderer is a "Fact", and it is taking a mighty-big liberty with the definition of fact.

I feel the need to state this ONCE MORE! I do NOT support him. I will NOT vote for him. I do not like him or his policies... BUT, I do not consider him a Murderer. A Moron...? Yes! But a murderer...? No!

Those decisions were not his-alone... he has advisors, both politically and militarilly that these decisions get channelled through. He is FAR from being alone in his decisions, but this has always been true with most (all?) Presidents.

Just trying to keep an "open-mind" here.

[girl12]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (WallyLlama @ Sep. 14 2004,05:39)]

The responses to my statement indicate that the point was missed; I guess that should not be a surprise.

Engaging in pointless arguments does not qualify as "standing up" for what I believe in... and most of the arguments presented on this thread are pointless... as I've attempted to point out previously there has been some rather flawed logic applied and some very creative "facts" presented. There is also a tendency to ignore facts that won't support the desired conclusion.

The fundamental flaw in this particular post is that equal rights for everyone is a possibility. Can't happen unless everybody wants the same thing. It's great rhetoric and sounds lofty but you'll never be able legislate equality. The point of the quote is in a large part that most people only favor equal rights until their own rights are threatened.

Unemotional responses are welcome, but not really expected.

pointless? wow....then y r u still posting here? i dont understand how u can call these discussions pointless...we r debating one of the most important elections...i think it is very important...

tell me about the creative "facts"...please...

equal rights meaning black people being able to vote instead of their votes taken away....gay people marrying...WE R ALL PEOPLE!! y dont some people get that? all PEOPLE should have the right to do wut everyone else does!!

[girl12]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (lilly2279 @ Sep. 13 2004,20:29)]See. *People still getting all hot under the collar. *

The only reason Kerry doesn't have a huge list of things he has done wrong is because he hasn't really done a whole lot of anything. *And is that really so great? *What has he done that is so wonderful?

George is president, so there's going to be quite a few things he can do. *It's not like he just said "let's go to war" and noone else was involved in the decision. *He did what he thought was right for the time and from the information he got. *I"m not saying "noone is perfect" meaning that he can just be a major screw up and I wouldn't care. *But when you're that much in the public eye, there are going to be lots of people looking for mistakes. *Oh well!

Sorry republicans make you sick. *We won't go so far as to be rude to you for your opinions, alrightie? *You may have your opinions all you want.

as i said before...not doing anything is better than all the things bush has done...i have mentioned all the things i think 2 times or 3 times....wut has bush done? like oberon said...that has benefitted this country AT ALL?

yes he basically DID say...lets go to war...as demonbuttercup said he went against the UN to just do wut his administration felt "necessary". even though there WAS NO REASON TO GO TO WAR!!!

ooo nono lilly im sori im sori...i really am....not republicans....people that believe bush should be president again....

not sori for my view but for giving the impression that ALL republicans made me sick...even though most of them have the views that make me sick....not all of them do!

[girl12]

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] (HngLkAMouse @ Sep. 14 2004,15:43)]I need to play devil's advocate here.

I am by NO MEANS a Bush supporter nor do I make excuses FOR him, but in order to make an intelligent argument against someone, you cannot exaggerate the"facts" so that they become an opinion.

Because you (and I) disagree with the deception(s) that led us over to Iraq... the bottom line is that Bush engaged us in a military endeavor supported by VOLUNTEER troops (our U.S. Military) who fully supported him (initially) in this. GWB in no way, shape or form MURDERED anyone, nor should he be blatantly labeled as such.

Did people die at his discretion...? Yes! But so have millions of others over history that volunteered their lives to support the efforts of our government. I am NOT saying his decisions were right... and I am NOT saying that the people who have all died, died for a GOOD cause or the RIGHT reasons... BUT...!!! as much as it pains me to defend him, I must say that it is unfair to say that G.W.Bush being a murderer is a "Fact", and it is taking a mighty-big liberty with the definition of fact.

I feel the need to state this ONCE MORE! I do NOT support him. I will NOT vote for him. I do not like him or his policies... BUT, I do not consider him a Murderer. A Moron...? Yes! But a murderer...? No!

Those decisions were not his-alone... he has advisors, both politically and militarilly that these decisions get channelled through. He is FAR from being alone in his decisions, but this has always been true with most (all?) Presidents.

Just trying to keep an "open-mind" here.

to me...killing innocent people for no reason is murder....its cool if u think differently tho....



its all good.