Sorry about the length of this post but please read it because I'm in a bind and I hope that somebody may be able to sae my life.
Basically, 4 years ago when I was 22, as a young man fed up with my virginity I decided to visit a prostitute. It wasn't much fun - a miserable experience in fact. I also went to visit another prostitute a few months later. The sporadic nature of these activities reflects the fact that they weren't fun. The activities were oral, there was no penetration and my erections were extremely weak both times.
The real problem began in 2004 when I visited another sex worker (this was the third "encounter") after a night of mild drinking. When I took her to my hotel room I was completely unable to find a response and I had to cut my losses without having any physical contact.
At the time I thought that there was not necessarily a reason to worry, and maybe there was some other cause (esp. drink). A year later I decided to put the matter to the test, with, yes, two more prostitutes. It was a complete failure - no erection - and in depression I was prepared to give up on sex.
However, in the last few months something wonderful and frightening has happened. I've met a woman who I want to devote my life to - FINALLY IT HAS HAPPENED TO ME!, but I'm totally confused my sexual confidence is near zero due to the fiascoes of the past.
There has been one saving grace. After a couple of failed sexual experiences in her past she wants to leave sex until marriage. Therefore we have the opportunity to engage in all sexual activity short of penetrative sex. I feel myself responding to her and I do ejaculate with manual and oral stimulation - quite frequently because she is great! This is an improvement on the last three visits to prostitutes from 2004 onwards.
I must also mention that throughout I have found an outlet in self pleasure which I do on average around two times a day. So no real problems about sex drive. I still worry about whether my erection will be able to be hard enough for intercourse: I don't know whether the problem is physical or psychological. Does anybody have any ideas on that?
Secondly with regards to my girlfriend, she has felt it necessary to divulge her sexual past to me. She told me she doesn't want sex becuase she found the 'sexual bond' in her previous two relationships to be very powerful, but that she wants to wait because the physical bond without the emotional one was harmful to her. She says that the main relationship was very sexual and featured intercourse three times a day at the beginning. This has thrown my head into turmoil. I don't want to screw this relationship up, and I know that 2 full sexual partners for a 28 year old isn't much, but my sexual angst has got unbearable. Has anybody got any advice on how insecure little boys can overcome their inability to deal with their girlfriends sexual histories?
So to recap, the two questions which need answering:
1.) Does the sexual problems I've discussed sound like they are of a physical, or psychological nature (or both)?
2.) Secondly, how should I handle the question of her sexual history and overcome my jealousy over them?
To all those who've reached this point of the post. Thank you x


> 1.) Does the sexual problems I've discussed sound like they are of a physical, or psychological nature (or both)?
It sounds to me like it is psychological. If you are masturbating successfully and are enjoying great success and pleasure and fun from fooling around with her--and you have strong erections as a result, then there should not be a problem with intercourse, later.
Now, having said that, you should know that first intercourse does not always go as planned and you might experience a weak erection, especially if penetration is difficult. Know that one has nothing to do with the other.
> 2.) Secondly, how should I handle the question of her sexual history and overcome my jealousy over them?
That she wants to wait til marriage to experience intercourse yet will do "everything else" beforehand is not unusual. Her reasoning about establishing an emotional bond, first, is spot on.
As pleasant and enjoyable as intercourse is, it is more about connecting the psyches and becoming one with the other for a moment in time. This is the Part II of the marriage ceremony and is very important and all too often minimized this day and age. You will probably find that orgasms from manual and/or oral sex will be considerably more intense than what you have from intercourse. So, you are not loosing out on that front and have a very important bonding to look forward to on your wedding night.
Thank you very much dancingdoc2. My problem is just that my lover is wanting to tell me something about what she wishes emotionally and physically from sex and I'm too immature to understand at the moment.
I would like to make a request of the women on this forum. Please read the attached passage and tell me what she is trying to tell me - especially about the 'strong' 'permanent' bond with her ex-lover. I must say that it originally freaked me out, but want to understand and not just react.
03/29/2006
Boy: What clinical awkward questionn were you thinking off? It's important were able to talk about these things. Please
girl: i just think that at some point we need to discuss past relationships etc, but maybe this would be easier in person? It is important that we are able to talk about these things - i agree there!!
boy: What were you thinkingn of? I wont feel comfortable if we leave this hanging...
girl: i dont know, i think you should know that I have had sex, even though i know I shouldnt have and want to wait till marriage
boy: Yes you mentioned that
girl: ok
boy: It's not a crime
girl: i know, but it would be wrong if i pretended that I havent to you
boy: OK, but you'd already told me
girl: ok, that cool then
boy: Is there any reason why you bring it up now?
girl: no
boy: Is that 'no, let's drop it'?
girl: no, its just that no particular reason - expect that now i know better where i stand on the girfriend thing i guess i felt i could
boy: I think that this is a good thing for us to be able to talk about fairly freely
girl: it is, we need to be able to
boy: As it will be an important part of our lives whatever happens really. What do you want to know about me?
girl: have you with lots of people?
boy: No, not lots of people at all, not by a long shot
girl: ok, and you have always been careful?
boy: Without exception
girl: ok
boy: How many guys have you been with?
girl: I have had sex with 2 people
boy: OK
girl: ok, and another, but that is a harder one to explain
boy: OK? Intriguing...
girl: no, horrible, and you will probably think badly of me for it - but anyway, it is something very few people know about so needs to remain secret as he had girfriend at the same time, but that is something you needed to know
boy: So that's three?
girl: well, that is 4 we have spoken about, 2 i never had sex with, and the other 2
boy: OK so 4 relationships, 2 sex? This has got awfully personal, but I don't regret knowing
boy: the 4 relationships - i guess so - 3 of them were fairly loong term, other was more best friend and things just went off track for a short while. then also some short term relationships...but not worth mentioning really....
girl: sex with 2 yes, oral sex with 3, so now you have all my details!
boy: Indeed!
girl: are you going to tell me anything more?
boy: What do you want to know?
girl: tell me what you think i need to know
boy: What would you like me to say? There's nothing particularly to write home about, nothing particularly exceptional
girl: okay, if i ever meet one of your ex's / if you are meeting them will you let me know so that at least I know
boy: OK, I won't do that to you. Ever
girl: well maybe you are still friends with some of them?
boy: No. So its unlikely to ever happen!
girl: oh, okay then maybe i need to explain that you will probably meet mine as I am friends - is this going to be hard?
boy: Who is it?
girl: well, the one I went there for birthday, he is married now anyway
boy: Okay
girl: and we went out long ago - from 16-19 yrs old and we are now just good friends
boy: Okay
girl: and then the illict relationship, am also still friends with him
boy: Okay
girl: i am friends really with most my ex's, is this a problem?
boy: Not really, as long as you let me know who they are beforehand. Is that a problem?
girl: no, i will let you know always and you can also trust me that nothing would ever happen with them...or with anybody else. I will always let you know who they are and tell you everything, okay?
boy: Okay that's important to me
girl: cool, then will make sure this is why i wanted you to come to the birthday party with me - i didnt want to go alone that time, but now that we have spoken about this - much better!!
boy: Why the desire to leave sex after marriage now? Was that something you always had?
girl: i did always yes, and then i broke it, and i felt very much told by God that I should wait. I also think it is actually better for the relationship - get to know the person deeply as a person without all the physical bond confusion, I find that sex is a bond that is much stronger and sexual stuff is different in that way, but the 'one flesh' thing is more...it is also just what God has told me very clearly
boy: 'one flesh'
girl: from bible that - says become one or something like that, and that is action of sex, which is i guess why I see it as a very permanent bond - you become one at least
boy: Okay, I didn't know that I should beef up on the bible!
girl: "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder" (Matthew 19:6). you havent read bible for a long time?
boy: No, not for a long time, but you've found the sexual bond to be a strong one in the relationships which you've had?
girl: Genesis 2:24 (Show me Genesis 2)
Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. yes i did, i actually found that it distorted the whole thing because had a physical bond and not emotional and messed things up rather. i think it was very bad for the relationship in the end, it became love based on physical bond, not love
boy: OK, great sex then! Can't have been all bad!
girl: hahaha, i think you may have realised that I am a rather sexual person
boy: Really? Wouldn't have guessed
girl: oops
boy: Okay, I'm pretty exhausted I'll be looking to drop off to sleep soon
girl: yes, i think we have had rather deep conversastions tonight
boy: Yes certainly. Lots to think about. Goodnight
girl: anything esle you want to know/ ask/ say?
boy: No, that's fine
girl: dont say lots to think about! that makes me worry. what do you mean?
boy: We've covered a lot of ground really, that's all
girl: ok, nothing that i have said worries you? hasnt changed what you think of me?
boy: No, you'd told me a bit of it before as I say
girl: so everything okay?
boy: Everything is good
girl: okay, are you okay?
boy: You seem concerned, I'm in good form. Dont worry
girl: i am concerned, will i see you soon? i miss you
boy: Yes I've missed you too over the last couple of days
girl: good
boy: OK, I'm going to crash out here
girl: okay, goodnight xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
boy: Goodnight, sleep well--------
A mixture of alcohol, depression and guilt would be a strong sexual depressant. Your unsatisfactory experiences with prostitutes are not unusual. If you are able to get it up and reach ejaculation, your systems are all functional. Only the brain is left to be tested. And, I must say, you seem to be testing it.
It is not reasonable to expect a 28 yo to be without sexual experience. If that gives you a hangup, you are better off not knowing the specifics. I am willing to wager that you would find yourself distressed wondering aboput her past if you had not had that discussion. The fact that she wants to delay sex indicates that she learned something from her very few past relationships.
Your first (next) stop should be with a professional to overcome your own guilt regarding your sexual history. Your baggage does not originate with your present girlfriend but with your own past sexual contacts - and non-contacts.
[QUOTE=Nobo Dy]So to recap, the two questions which need answering:
1.) Does the sexual problems I've discussed sound like they are of a physical, or psychological nature (or both)?
2.) Secondly, how should I handle the question of her sexual history and overcome my jealousy over them?
[/QUOTE]
Okay, first of all, the sexual problems you've had are purely psychological and you will overcome them with this relationship. You get erections and have orgasms just fine so I would just drop that issue. It will be a thing of the past very soon.
I can tell you this because I had the same problems when I first became sexually active in my 20's. I didn't go to prostitutes, but I did attempt sex with a "nympho" that I wasn't really attracted to. This was done with the thought of getting rid of my virginity since it was weighing me down. At the big moment, I couldn't perform and I was just sick over it. An actual loving relationship remedied that.
I have also been down the "sexual history/jealousy" path as well. I had never successfully had sex when I met my future wife but I lied to her and said that I had two partners and had sex a total of 4 times. :D I couldn't bear the thought of her knowing that I was technically a virgin in my late 20's.
My wife has had lots of sex with 3 former BF's and I think she's slept with one or two more guys. I would be lying to you if I said that didn't gnaw at me at times while we were dating and even in marriage on occasion. I've met the guy she lost her virginity to since her family is friends with his. It was difficult shaking his hand and thinking about the fact that he had sex with my wife for almost three years.
So I know where you're coming from.
Here's my advice: unless she really feels it's necessary for you to hear any more of her sexual history for some reason, I would thank her for being open and honest but I would tell her that you don't need to talk about it anymore. It's in the past and the two of you move on.
She seems to have learned from past mistakes and she seems to genuinely care about you. If you love her, don't let jealousy screw this up for you.
As for her former BF's, she needs to realize that they can be acquaintances, but they can't be "close friends". To me, that's just too weird. If she is really close to any of them, I can't blame you for being uncomfortable with that.
Thanks brandye and ua322. If anybody could explain further what her talk about the strong permanent sexual bond in her discussion with me is about that would be welcome. Does that mean that the relationship is unresolved? As I say, that freaked me out
The male of the species can compartmentalize orgasms. We can have sex for the sake of pure unadulterated sex. We can make love and enjoy sex as an integral part.
Women on the other hand have a much more difficult time separating sex this way. They find it extremely difficult if not impossible to separate out the sex from the romance and the love--the emotional component.
What she is telling you is that she wants to spend more time developing the other aspects of your relationship so that when the time is right for intercourse, her psyche and emotions--the bond she has with you, will be both stronger and more refined {read: broader and deeper for all the aspects that define your relationship).
This does not necessarily mean the relationship you have is "unresolved", only in a state of development. She wants the many aspects that make it a relationship to become stronger and more defined and this just takes hanging out with each other, doing things together, talking about the many things that are important to making a relationship work such as who takes out the trash, who handles the money, how many kids, etc., et cetera, etc. ad infinitum.
Thanks again dancingdoc. Just to clarify what I meant about unresolved. Although she said that the main relationship ended in 2001, she told me that he came to visit her last year and that they had a 'meaningless fling' but that there was no penetration. Made me think that she's some kind of booty call for him and that she's pleased to go along for physical reasons. That just made me go mmmmm. How do I interpret that?
Once again: You are focusing on her past. Sounds pretty innocuous to me. You need resolution of your past much more than resolution of hers.
Get some help interpreting you rather than the self-flagellation of interpreting her.
[QUOTE=Nobo Dy]Thanks again dancingdoc. Just to clarify what I meant about unresolved. Although she said that the main relationship ended in 2001, she told me that he came to visit her last year and that they had a 'meaningless fling' but that there was no penetration. Made me think that she's some kind of booty call for him and that she's pleased to go along for physical reasons. That just made me go mmmmm. How do I interpret that?[/QUOTE]
That is yet another parallel between your stiuation and my situation 7-8 years ago. My future wife told me about her long term BF of a few years earlier (and other BF's as well). Then as we became more serious, she felt the need to slip into conversation that she had spent the night at his house once within the last year after a conversation they had out of the blue but that it wasn't any big deal. She then assured me that after spending that time with him, she was sure that he was in her past.
Basically, I took it that she was a booty call and she was probably eager to exude a little sexual confidence that she picked up since their breakup a few years earlier. Personally, I think she had sex with him and that got the wheels to turning in my head.
So I know what you're feeling. And my advice is: put it in the past.
Please PM me if you would like to discuss this further - I have a lot of insight into your situation because I personally have been through almost all of it.
First of all let the past stay in the past. What I don't understand is that YOU have had sexual encounters with 4 prostitutes and you're worried about HER sexual history!? :confused:
Were you safe with the prostitutes? Does she know about them? Have you been tested for STD's lately?
I'd say if you want this to work you are going to have to forget the past and concentrate on the present.
As for your sexual problems, I would pay very much respect to Brandye's posts.
5 prostitutes pozzolane, but no entry
Intercourse is not the only way to receive an STD. They can be received from oral.
I guess I'd sorta build on what most are saying... and add that it seems to me there's a strange emphasis developing in the relationship. I tend to preach that asking the right questions is more important than the right answers to the wrong questions.
The questions I'd be considering are:
How's the relationship between you outside your pasts and this "no sex" rule?
Why are you fencing (that's the appearance from the conversation) with this? There's almost a "if you show me yours I'll show you mine" thing going on...
Are you both kidding yourselves to some extent? In the conversation you pasted here, you both talk about having "deep conversation," but then you come here to ask what she really means? Why aren't you asking her?
What role is religion going to play in your relationship? (It sounds like you are going to have to beef up on the Bible. LOL)
Are you both equally committed to the "no sex" rule? How are you going to manage that, particularly where you know it's a new rule for her? (People are allowed to change.)
These are not questions that need to be answered here... but they are far more important than the questions about what who did with whom. It seems to me that you are both more focused on punishing yourselves for past "indiscretions" than on how you are building your relationship. It is also interesting that she seemed concerned after telling her story... almost as if you are being tested?
That's another piece of advice in there that I hope is apparent. I think it would be considered fairly normal to feel a bit strange about a girl who tells you she had sex three times a day with somebody she still feels connected to... but she's not goiing to have sex with you until you are married.
You can - and should - accept her decision. But I think you have an obligation to tell her how it makes you feel when she brings it up. You BOTH need to get her past behind you.
OK guys, thanks for your feedback. These are the conclusions I have taken. Firstly, there's almost certainly nothing physically wrong with my ability to gain an erection sufficient for intercourse. The problems are mainly psychological, and the only way to overcome these mind problems is to reach a point where I can be relaxed and confident when intimate with my girlfriend. At the moment, the no sex rule and the focus on extended foreplay are perhaps as good a way as any to get that point. NO MORE PROSTITUTES too.
Secondly, with regards to sex, it seems that women are somewhat different from men. What she's trying to tell me is not what I've chosen to hear. I seem to be satisfying her desire and we're developing a very strong emotional bond. I KNOW she loves me, and I love her madly. And if she says that she is 'very happy' with the physical side of our relationship (and she does often say 'you're amazing' 'wow' 'you're an expert' after she climaxes etc), maybe I should stop disbelieving her and thinking 'oh she must be just saying that' 'oh she's faking' - and actually start believing how lucky I've been to meet her. What do you think?
Anyway I'll meet her again on Friday for the fourth time. First time we met in three days I didn't cum and instead I focused on stimulating her mostly because I was so nervous about whether I would even get it up. I think this is where my reputation as a good lover must have come! Second time came 10 times in 7 days, third time 7 times in 3 days. So we're getting there! Next time it will be for seven days and hopefully we can break the 20 mark. I know it's juvenile to keep score in this way - but it's also so much fun! We also need to restore the balance, because the first time she came multiple times and I never did once. Now I'm outstripping her, so we need to correct that. Anyway, I'm waffling now....
Any interpreters?
04/02/2006
girl: i love you
boy: I know that these past relationships were wonderful,sexually explosive etc etc etc ad infinitum, and I'm being selfish, irrational, paranoid etc etc etc but....
girl: carry on
boy: That's all
girl: o, you really dont need to be paranoid, i know how you feel at the same time, the thought of you with anybody else make me feel physically sick and i cant even ask what they were like sexually because i dont want to know if they were good etc and not all of mine have been that good, and not always that good. and what we had last week was amazing!!! wonderful, and you turn me on just by talking to me, the whole time. Everything is very special with you!!!!!!!!!!! and i am much too turned on with you.....very hard to stop and not go further
boy: Let's hope it matches up to the others.
girl: and the one thing that was really special for me - that was not physical and you probably dont even remember - was the day after the workshop here, on the Sunday when you came here, and we were just lying on my bed, and i fell asleep with your arm around me - that was amazing for some reason, cannot explain, i have never felt so safe/ comfortable/ able to relax in my life before. And you DO match up to any others, i promise, even better! - please dont feel there is sexual pressure
girls are quite easily addicted to sex i've noticed and alot of girls have problems even sleeping on their own after a long term relationship so that counts for the 'one flesh' thing but i really this your girl is just worried that you think badly of her for refusing that intimacy with you while she didn't with other people but she had issues with attachment and her relationships sounded like the mostly ended up being about the sex anyway. Take it slow and reassure her that your comfortable with her past and you are willing to wait. Most girls especially ones who have been there before take awhile to open up again to a highly sexual relationship. Just wait and play that part by ear maybe sometime sooner or later she'll decide that she is ready for another attempt at a intimate relationship.