I had gay sex, now what?

[Jase80]

Im 28 and have a girlfriend, but I have experimented in the past with a work mate. Anything sexual between two people whatever sex is enjoyable - really it is enjoyable. If a 110% straight man had his dick touched by another man, he'd still enjoy it - because it's not the person, it's what the person is doing... but experimenting and enjoying sexual contact with either sex is fine but you will reach that point where you just decide what is more important and what is more enjoyable to you and what you want out of life.

Just don't convince yourself you must be gay or bi because you've had bit of basic foreplay with another man...

[DVDBear]

Originally Posted by Jase80

If a 110% straight man had his dick touched by another man, he'd still enjoy it - because it's not the person, it's what the person is doing... but experimenting and enjoying sexual contact with either sex is fine but you will reach that point where you just decide what is more important and what is more enjoyable to you and what you want out of life.

I'm gay and while I understand your point I don't know if I'd agree overall. If a "110 %" straight mas was, say, masturbated by another man perhaps he could close his eyes and fantasize he was doing something with the opposite sex and get off. But if he looked down and saw it was a guy most likely he couldn't stay erect . . . . . it would be a turn-off. Remember, the brain's the most powerful sex organ and unless it's in sync with the genitals not much is gonna happen.

[mersamoreno]

Why do I have these feelings?
Posted on January 10th, 2007 by Warren
Taking a break from book writing, and inspired by the Satel article, I put some thoughts together than might be an op-ed when they grow up.

In my clinical work , I receive many inquiries from people who experience homosexual attractions. Most often, the writers are distressed by their feelings and want some advice or assistance. One of the most frequent questions I get is, “why do I have these feelings?”

The question is natural enough. Although widely discussed in the culture, having attractions to the same sex is statistically infrequent. The percentage of the population who identify as gay has been pegged at between 2-3%, so asking why one is in the minority reflects a natural human curiosity about being different.

However, what most people really want to know is what made them gay? Some questioners wonder if they inherited the feelings and many others wonder if their feelings came from conflicts with their parents.

My responses begin with an academic bent. I first inform them that there are many contradictory research findings. Some studies implicate pre-natal factors, while others point to a role for social environment, including family. I tell them that there is a group of researchers that line up on the side of biology, with others more aligned with the environmental camp, with still others (myself included) who see both nature and nurture as working together in different ways for different people to lead to one’s sexuality. However, I rarely stop there.

I ask what difference it would make to them if they knew why. In other words, how would knowing why help you in your life?

I ask because my research and experience leads me to be skeptical of two related ideas that permeate the field of psychotherapy generally and specifically, among those who help people make peace with homosexual desires. The first idea is that one can know with certainty why one feels attracted to the same sex. The second is that knowledge of why directly leads to an elimination or acceptance of homosexual attractions.

Recently Sally Satel, psychiatrist and scholar at the American Enterprise Institute covered similar ground in a New York Times essay. Writing about addictions, she says,

Reconstructing the story of one’s life is a complicated business for other reasons. What scientists call hindsight bias kicks in when we try to figure out the causal chain of events leading to the current situation. We may well come up with a tidy story but, inevitably, it will contain large swaths of revisionist history. It’s not that we bias ourselves deliberately; it happens because the mind tends to make events in the past appear comprehensible and orderly. We forget the uncertainties that might have beset us as we struggled in real time.

To be sure, humans seem driven to explain. Wondering why a co-worker didn’t say hello or why one fears speaking in public is a natural part of our mental lives. However as social psychologists teach us, we are biased observers, not only of others but of ourselves. Furthermore, human memory is far from being a tape recorder. Rather, our present memories are fuzzy reconstructions, sometimes involving events that never occurred, motivated by a need to reduce confusion.

Bias may also enter our deliberations because tidbits of our experience may conform to narratives we find in the culture or among social groups we like. About this phenomenon, Satel says,

Narratives are shaped also by a natural tendency to focus on information that confirms theories we already hold. These theories — for example, that molested children are likely to grow up to have sexual compulsions of their own — may be imbibed from the media, self-help books or therapists.

Dr. Satel’s illustration about child abuse is reminiscent of the frequent narrative offered by many conservative groups that homosexual attractions derive from detached relations with same-sex parents or from childhood abuse. However, pro-gay therapists may gravitate toward the media fueled narrative that regards homosexual attractions as being invariably inborn and immutable, despite weak evidence to that effect. Complicating the search for many people I work with is that they can scan their lives and find evidence for both narratives. Research has demonstrated that many therapists selectively ask questions and respond more favorably to information from clients that fit therapists’ theories. Thus, certain events may seem more meaningful when trusted advisors and conventional wisdom unite to provide a coherent story.

So people are biased observers and we really don’t know for sure why anyone feels attracted to the same sex. Doesn’t psychotherapy rely on psychological investigation to get results? Surely people feel better when they learn why, don’t they?

Dr Satel addresses this question well, writing,

If our own accounts of our actions are often so slanted and embellished, is composing them simply a misbegotten quest? Surely not. To a therapist, the attempt signals that patients are aware that they have a problem worthy of attention. And the narratives themselves can help them make sense out of confusion. This, in turn, can diminish anxiety and exaggerated guilt. Such relief might be sufficient in and of itself for some, or, depending on the goals of therapy, it could embolden a patient to make further healthy adjustments.

Searching for why may provide some benefit but it does not lead to a value judgment. I submit that whether one is born gay or is socialized to become gay, one still must make a value based decision about how one wants to live.

Case in point, one of my clients initially came to believe the reason he was drawn to men was due to his father’s distance and lack of love. This insight was powerful, meaningful, and full of emotion. However, even after this recognition, and an emotional reconciliation with his father, my client felt very little decline in his attractions to men. He decided perhaps he was predisposed to homosexuality. However, due to his religious convictions, he determined not to pursue gay relationships. He gained more satisfaction from therapy and his life when he stopped seeking insight and started to implement strategies to help him in the present.

So after why, perhaps, the better question is: “now what?”

[summer_in_love]

listen dude, I'm not gay, I have no attraction to women emotionaly or physicaly, but i've kissed 4 differnt girls and we've rubbed each other more just to screw with the guys around us but honestly it was fun and I dont regret it and my man actually thinks its kind of hot that i've messed around with girls in the past, but like i said just because you've messed around with the same sex doesnt mean you're gay

[DVDBear]

Originally Posted by mersamoreno

Why do I have these feelings?
Posted on January 10th, 2007 by Warren

Case in point, one of my clients initially came to believe the reason he was drawn to men was due to his father’s distance and lack of love. This insight was powerful, meaningful, and full of emotion. However, even after this recognition, and an emotional reconciliation with his father, my client felt very little decline in his attractions to men. He decided perhaps he was predisposed to homosexuality. However, due to his religious convictions, he determined not to pursue gay relationships. He gained more satisfaction from therapy and his life when he stopped seeking insight and started to implement strategies to help him in the present.

So after why, perhaps, the better question is: “now what?”

Who is this from? "Warren" who? Presumably not Rick Warren . . . *

Anyway, I don't disagree with the bulk of the article or even the conclusion. Arguments can rage until the cows come home as to whether homosexuality is determined from birth or an result of environmental factors. I know for myself I have not a doubt I was gay from birth, but other gay men and women may feel differently (as mentioned in the article). I thought it was important for awhile to know, now I don't. The "now what" is the crux . . . . As I've mentioned in other posts you can choose not to act on your gay instincts, but that doesn't make them go away. If you're straight you can choose to be celebate . . . . does that make you not straight? Denying your sexual orientation does not change it. In fact, like a pressure cooker it builds over time. Some people can make it all the way through their life with never acting on what sexually excites them, but I would think it's rare (I made it to 39, and that was a serious stretch). Others try to stay "straight" by all outward appearances and marry, have kids, the whole bit. They also seek out occasional homosexual encounters on the side to relieve the pressure. (Several of our members here have had that destructive scenario happen to them). For me it's more a question of "so what?" rather than "now what"? There is nothing wrong with being gay. There is nothing wrong with having a same sex partner through life. Other people might judge it as wrong, but it's not their life or their business.

edit: Found him, Warren Throckmorten, Psychology Professor.

[Suki2007]

Originally Posted by DVDBear

For me it's more a question of "so what?" rather than "now what"? There is nothing wrong with being gay. There is nothing wrong with having a same sex partner through life. Other people might judge it as wrong, but it's not their life or their business.

Well put, DVD! I couldn't agree with you more.

[CrackBaby]

dude you're gay. unless you were in a situation where you felt women were completely unavailable (i.e.: prison), no healthy straight man would do that with another man. and the chances of two straight guys having it "just happen" are absolutely zero. you guys are both gay.

[sarah_rsl]

People are naturally bi-sexual I really wouldn't worry about it, its just in men its usually repressed more than in women. It shouldn't damage any long term relationships you have unless you let it

Originally Posted by CrackBaby

dude you're gay. unless you were in a situation where you felt women were completely unavailable (i.e.: prison), no healthy straight man would do that with another man. and the chances of two straight guys having it "just happen" are absolutely zero. you guys are both gay.

Crackbaby you really are an ignorant dick

[Ephemera]

Seconded, Sarah.

[CrackBaby]

you guys are confusing men with women. men are not built in bi like women. i'm not being a dick, i'm being truthful.

for two guys to even have the conversation that they had, to whip out their dicks and start rubbing one out to porn (which we are giving the benefit of the doubt as being heterosexual porn), and to then proceed to give eachother blowjobs... they're totally homosexuals.

it's not experimenting. a normal male would be throwing up his past two meals before he got within 2 feet of another guy's dick like that.

its best you accept it dude. i guess you can try and get laid by a chick and see how that goes, but unless you did this totally out of desperation from not finding one that was willing to have sex with you then you are definitely gay.