Why is being gay bad? (Part II)

[Beans518]

People qoute the bible as a basis for why people should not be gay because that's what they were taught. They have no other legit reason for thier reasoning.Most people who say it's wrong to be gay, if you ask , have never met anyone who is gay and really have no real reason why they feel the way they do.(like why people dislike black people) People need a reason to feel better than everyone else.Most females have thier first sexual experience with another female.(a girl showed me how to kiss, mastrabate and gave me my first orgasm) so I don't understand why it seems so odd to people to be attracted to someone of the same sex. In roman and edo times this was the norm. All women were used for was to carry on the gene pool. To me alot of things came to be when the new world order started.(slavery, plymuth? rock) They came over with all of these rules for how "thier" country should be ran and the things they said were taught down through the ages.(I won't start on the bible). It's easy to say don't worry about it and do what makes you happy, but that's hard to do when you're ridiculed for being who you are. I think it's horrible that congress state that they keep church and state separate but qoute the bible when they say gay marriage is against the bible.I personnally do not know any one who is gay, I would love gay friends male or female and I support gay marriage. A gay couple is good enough to adopt kids and make a family but not legally? CONGRESS! They are suppossed to work for us but it's really dictating.(Sorry for the long post and misspellings you know I usually check my spelling but it's dinner time at my house)

[lookingforspice]

Can one like the person, but still disagree with the lifestyle? I can't see "hating" someone for their lifestyle, but I can see still "disagreeing" with their lifestyle. I really get confused on this issue when other lifestyles are brought up. I have read stories of men with more than 1 wife. These men believed that they weren't meant to be confined to one woman. Does this then make this acceptable? This is what prompted my question about whether there is even a line to be drawn saying what is and isn't acceptable.

[Beans518]

Originally Posted by lookingforspice

Can one like the person, but still disagree with the lifestyle? I can't see "hating" someone for their lifestyle, but I can see still "disagreeing" with their lifestyle. I really get confused on this issue when other lifestyles are brought up. I have read stories of men with more than 1 wife. These men believed that they weren't meant to be confined to one woman. Does this then make this acceptable? This is what prompted my question about whether there is even a line to be drawn saying what is and isn't acceptable.

Sure , you can like a person and disagree with thier lifestyle. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. If it's not for you then it's not for you then you would disagree with it.Like I said it's all what you were taught.In the bible (I know, I didn't want to do it)There are a couple of places where men have had more than one wife.It's acceptable to them but not allowed by law.( at least not in america) This is a question that we will never know the answer to.( It's like what came first the chicken or the egg?)I think people think about what the other person is doing too much.

[sera300]

Chino:

I did not say spreading the seeds of procreation and homosexuality are one of the same. What I was stating is one persons beliefs are; both separate, mutually exclusive topics are linked to a personally defined "natural human behavior". I was not implying this person believed one was an argument for or against the other.

Looking:

Yes, someone can disagree for whatever reasons they wish; however, in my opinion it being "unnatural" as I cited in the earlier post with the example of my brother is being narrow minded; what is unnatural? Against nature? He cannot pose a firm substantive argument to form a foundation for his beliefs. The opinions which Oberon cite in the OP are hateful & derogatory statements which have no value other then to cause harm and hurt to other's; these statement [A. Coulter] I find close minded and ignorant. I believe in freedom of speech but how far is it allowed to go?

The major reasons I feel my brother is being narrow minded is his opinions [directly or indirectly] will reflect upon other's; such as his children. Furthermore, his in-laws are aware of his opinions. Given this, out of fear of rejection by her family his sister-in-law remains in the closet. Her denial to the family has manifested it's self in many destructive ways...depression, eating disorders, and anxiety attacks. For fear of reprisal she suppresses her feelings.

To not accept a lifestyle is fine...it's the way it's done; with tolerance and respect for other's. I don't hear many of the homosexuals bashing heterosexuals or rejecting us based upon our sexuality.

[oberon]

Originally Posted by Sirene

Maybe it's down to to how us humans are meant to be?
In tune with evolution, we're meant to spread our seed, to keep ourselves going. To keep our DNA, & the human race going.
Gay people cannot do this. If everyone were gay, the human race would end.
I personally have nothing against it. Im just philosophizing I guess.

Maybe it's just an inbuilt thing for people to think it's bad for the above mentioned reason? It might just really go that deep into our phyche.

Au contraire, Sirene. Gay people CAN do this. If by some weird event everyone on the planet were to suddenly turn gay, the species would still go on. Just because I might not particularly enjoy the activity doesn't mean I can't do it. The equipment all works just fine. There is ample evidence for this in the fact that many gay people have through the years had heterosexual marriages and produced children.

This sort of ties in with:

Originally Posted by sera300

During our arguments/fights he states; it's against nature, it's not natural, humans are intended to reproduce, and the feelings can be suppressed.

Again, there is much data to suggest that homosexuality IS natural. It has been evidenced in over 1000 animal species. Sexuality comes in many varied forms in the animal kingdom. There is even a species of lizard where all the members are female. In humans, I believe (my own personal opinion) that homosexuality's biological function is to add more member to the group that can contribute but not usually add more draw on the group in the form of children. That's why I am a strong believer in gay adoption- especially vs. gay procreation. What better group to take in orphaned or unwanted children than those that can't readily conceive themselves but still have the resources to provide for them?

Originally Posted by lookingforspice

So pretty much, anyone who ever disagrees with anyone else's choice of lifestyle is automatically wrong and close minded? I'm not trying to fan the fire here, I'm trying to understand. When is it okay to not like something? Is there even a line able to be drawn as to what is or should be considered acceptable? What about all of the other alternative lifestyles? Do we then all have to accept and like them to not be considered closeminded? Again, I am NOT trying to stir up trouble or anger anyone. I am trying to understand where everyone is coming from.

Hi, Looking. I don't think you're trying to stir up trouble. I'm frankly glad that there has been ONE question that expressed any oposition to the subject. Hmm... although, I do find it somewhat heartening what with all the negative stuff I see on a day to day basis... LOL. But, anyway, to your question...

I have absolutely NO problem with someone who dislikes gay people. Even for the "Bible says so" reason. What I DO have a problem with is those that wish to legislate that dislike and take away my right to live my life. For me, that is the line between dislike and hatred. Between reason and closemindedness.

Now, what I really want from this topic is for someone to give me a reason for that dislike. For example, gay marriage. Now, the reason the fanatics give for wanting to legislate against it is, "God (of the Bible) says that it is wrong." Okay, fine. However, God (of the Bible) also says that other religions are wrong. Yet, I don't see anyone trying to enact a Constitutional ammendment to stop Hindus, Buddhists, or even atheists from marrying. Why do you suppose that is?

I really just want someone who holds the belief strongly to give me one good, solid thought-out reason why homosexuality should be considered evil.

[oberon]

Oops! I didn't say this before, but.... THANK YOU!!! to everyone who has contributed so far. I hope you and others will continue to do so.

[Sirene]

Originally Posted by oberon

Au contraire, Sirene. Gay people CAN do this. If by some weird event everyone on the planet were to suddenly turn gay, the species would still go on. Just because I might not particularly enjoy the activity doesn't mean I can't do it. The equipment all works just fine. There is ample evidence for this in the fact that many gay people have through the years had heterosexual marriages and produced children.

But being gay, would the population want to? No...
I know they CAN do it, but they wouldn't want to do it.

Yes gay people have had hetero marriages etc, but if everyone were gay I dont think it would happen. If being gay is widely accepted then no one would feel the need to get married & have kids like the norm, would they?
Thats another issue altogether thoguh I guess.

[canoodle06]

It's not really fair to say someone's "ignorant" because they believe homosexuality is wrong. Everyone has different beliefs and morals, and that's just the way it is.

About the the military sergeant or whoever said it, I saw that on the news. He apologized for saying it, but not for believing it, and that's how it should be. Just because he's in a position of power doesn't mean he should deny his morals - I'm glad that he found a way to apologize without backing down from his beliefs. Everyone entitled to believe what they want, and they don't have to prove or validate their beliefs to anyone but themselves. I agree that it's wrong to hate someone for being homosexual, but that doesn't mean you have to agree with their lifestyle. As long as you're happy with the way you're living, who cares who thinks it's immoral.

[sera300]

Originally Posted by Beans518

People qoute the bible as a basis for why people should not be gay because that's what they were taught. They have no other legit reason for thier reasoning.Most people who say it's wrong to be gay, if you ask , have never met anyone who is gay and really have no real reason why they feel the way they do.

I agree w/you Beans; this mentality which you state baffles me. It's one matter to be taught something is morally or ethically wrong but at what point do people begin to think on their own and question the basis of their beliefs and the teachings?

Religion & government are institutions who set guidelines and policies as boundries to live by. However, just because the alleged "Elites" dictate practice; when does it become an individual's responsibility to examine personal views on the matter? Or is it sheer laziness; it's easier to follow what I have been taught then to examine my personal opinions?

Looking at the entire matter some religious beliefs state pre-marital sex is a sin yet many individuals do what they think is right regardless of their religion. Why do they not apply the same attitude towards homosexual relationships?

[DVDBear]

Originally Posted by canoodle06

About the the military sergeant or whoever said it, I saw that on the news. He apologized for saying it, but not for believing it, and that's how it should be. Just because he's in a position of power doesn't mean he should deny his morals - I'm glad that he found a way to apologize without backing down from his beliefs. Everyone entitled to believe what they want, and they don't have to prove or validate their beliefs to anyone but themselves. I agree that it's wrong to hate someone for being homosexual, but that doesn't mean you have to agree with their lifestyle. As long as you're happy with the way you're living, who cares who thinks it's immoral.

I agree with you for the most part, but being in the position of power and responsibility that he is it was a callous and insensitive thing to do; I'm sure it made all gays serving in the military feel just great . . . . talk about "not supporting the troops". It also showed a serious lack of good judgement, which, considering how many critical issues he's crucial to is alarming.