Gay

[oberon]

You could always just give her the web address of this board.... kidding, kidding...lol.

Thank God, I'm not a parent. I think I would be tempted to provide books, and say, "Read these, and let me know if you have any questions." Wimpy, I know, but *shudders*

[Tessie]

LOL I am actually afraid she will see this in history and come here one day. Don't think I am ready for her to know all about mommy's activities.


When I was her age I was extremely modest and shy about talking of anything sexual or about my changing body. Not my kid. She will pull up her shirt to show me how things are coming along. She gets some perverse pleasure in torturing her dad with her knowledge of how boys get erections and she knows all about what condoms are for. Oh and the day she discovered pubic hair was so funny. She came out saying that she tried to pull it off but then realized it was growing out of her. LOL *

[oberon]

LOL... Kids have come a long way from when my mom and her cousins blew up all of her uncle's condoms for balloons!

Sounds like you and your daughter have a great relationship so she should be just fine. It's the kids that are afraid to ask or don't know to ask that we need to worry about. She should be a good influence on her friends.

[JCrew05]

sorry just thought i would add my opinion...i to am strait, i to am a christian, though i make mistakes alot lol no ones perfect, which why if being gay is a sin well doesnt make you any different than me...im 17 and not married of course and have had sex, ive lied, cussed, gotten drunk off my ass as well as alot of other things...the bible says all sins are equal murdering someone is as bad as being gay and lying is the same as murdering in GODS eyes...and me being a christian is always trying to get closer to God by loving everyone for who they are(not like a sexual love but like a brother or sister love ) and not judging others until i myself am sin free...which God says in the bible that no man/woman can be sin free, other than jesus when he was on earth...so do i agree with gays? no but i will treat them the same as i treat myself being the not so perfect christian that i am...with respect and dignity just like every person deserves, whatever their choices...just my opinion though

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[oberon]

Hi JCrew05, welcome and don't be sorry. All opinions are welcome here.

If I had MY way, this wouldn't be an issue. Gay people would be just as acceptable as straight people. But if we have to have people who think being gay is wrong, then I wish they were all like you. Live and Let Live.

I can live with that...lol.

Thanks for your response.

[experimenter]

Okay, first of all, to be honest, I read the original post, and about a 1/3 of the replies (sorry there were so many). I will try to keep religion out of my answer, and my answer may not even make much sense, but I felt like adding my 2 cents in anyway. You can take it all with a grain of salt.

I don't believe gays are bad people or wicked or anything, however, I don't agree with the lifestyle either (I know, don't knock it till you try it). Like I said, religious debate aside, the best answer I can come up with is that same sex unions basically go against nature, the nature and ability to procreate. You got your male, and your female in every species, and it takes one of each to create life. Okay, now having said that, I realize that not everyone wants children, so hey no problem for you guys. But lets face it, two guys can't make a baby, and same for the women. I personally find it interesting that a gay couple who has decided they want children (whether adoption for the guys, or artificial insemination for the women, or whatever other option you choose) ultimately has to rely on a member of the opposite sex, the sex that they wish not to be with, to get that child. It just doesn't have a natural feel to it.

I'm very sorry (really I am) if this comes off sounding judgemental, the last thing I want to do is to offend someone. I am just trying to answer the original question that was posted excluding religious debates.

[oberon]

Hi experimenter!

Don't be sorry for your opinions... Lord knows I've heard worse. *It's too bad you skipped some of the posts. *I think I did cover the whole "against nature" argument already. *Ah, here it is:

Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]The only post I'll respond to has to do with homosexuality being "unnatural". *Unnatural means "against nature" or "not found in nature". *Terminal Velocity, if you would care to check your facts, you will find that homosexuality happens quite frequently in nature. *Among animals that bond for life, such as swans and wolves, there have been recorded homosexual pairings. *The most wide-spread case would be the Bonobo chimps-who actually engage in sexual relations with members of the same sex.

Are there alot of these cases? No. *Because, as you said, if everyone became homosexual the species would die out. *But since it occurs in nature, homosexuality must serve some function. *Perhaps as population control. *Perhaps as relatives who have extra resources in bad times because they don't have the drain of children. *

So same sex pairing occur in nature. *How can that be "unnatural"??

As for gay people adopting or creating a child... well, the instincts to nuture the young are still there. *If people weren't so closeminded maybe "gay adoption" might help to relieve some of the problem of unwanted children. *And maybe not so many gay people would choose to conceive. I mean, that's the only way now to be able to say "This child is MINE." *In most states adoption isn't a choice.

Thanks for your response. *Feel free to respond again.

[experimenter]

Okay, I have a question (sorry if it doesn't exactly relate to the original post, but I'm curious). Gays are (with the exception of their sexual preference) just like everyone else, but why in the world do some of them act so femmy? Example: Christopher Lowell (sp?). I can't stand watching the guy, drives me crazy, why does he have to act and talk like that? Is that really how some gays are? Or is that just television portraying them that way? And why in the world would a guy WANT to act and talk like that???

[oberon]

Not a bad question at all. *Okay, I'd say some of it is natural. *Some guys are just somewhat effeminate. (Just like some women are "butch&quot But that doesn't necessarily mean they are gay. *Case in point- since you mention Christopher Lowell- there is a British design program called "Changing Rooms" (the American version is "Trading Spaces&quot and one of the male designer on there is, well, flamboyant- to put it nicely. *They did an episode where two of the designers trade their own home to redecorate and this guy- his name is Lawrence Llwelyn-Bowen- was on with his WIFE! *I was like "NO WAY!!" lol *

Anyway, some of it may be natural, but then some is definitely for show. *Remember, this is television. *Dull people don't make it. *Of course, it also happens in real life. *I feel that may be to "fit in". *Some of these people have never belonged to a group so when you find some place to fit, you try to be like everyone else. *As to "Why gay men have elevated 'camp' to an art form?", well, I think it may have something to do with backlash. *If you are told over and over (and over) "You're a sissy!" or "Don't act like a girl." , then when you find a group that doesn't judge you on that, it's conceivable that you might over act. *Sort of, "If you think I'm a sissy then I be the BIGGEST sissy you've ever seen!"

I, personally, don't subscribe to that philosophy. *I refuse to let anyone else- gay or straight- define how I act. *I think you should be able to be yourself and seen for your strengths not some unimportant physical attribute or characteristic.

I hope I answered your question and didn't bore you...lol.