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Old 02-15-2007, 07:15 AM
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Please do not raise another conspiracy theory for us. That just spreads evil rumours. The disease has been studied and documented very, very well. Both Institut Pasteur (France) and the Centers for Disease Control (US) tracked this for years and independently came up with the same conclusions. No one made a vaccine to give anyone the disease. It is naturally occurring and is one of the virus' that has jumped species - such as swine flu, avian flu, West Nile Virus, Ebola and a host of others. There is even one type influenza we can share with our cats.
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Brandye,

About two years ago, if i had read what i posted above, i'd be saying the same thing as you did... to be honest, I'm not convinved that AIDS is a conspiracy, but i woudn't be surprised if it was. Since there is a lot of information about it, people should at least check it out for themselves...

As far as the word consipracy goes... lets look at some other "kook" conspiracies....

JFK - If you think this wasn't a conspiracy, find the video of the secret service agents that normall ride on the back/side of the presedential vehicle getting ordered off right before the final turn.... They shrug their arms in "WTF" fashion 3 times...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_...elated&search=

911 - Don't even know where to start with this one... NORAD standing down, collapse of tower7, the hole in the pentagon being too small for a plane of that size, no big wreckage at the pentagon, i could go on for 3 days about this one... if you don't already know, the film loose change 2nd edition is a good eye opener...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...e+change+recut

Holocaust - this is a big topic that i don't even want to bring up too much, but the sole fact that it is a crime in many countries to even discuss the topic in a matter that at all questions the official story, makes me put very little faith into the official story of what happened.

I could go on, but i think i've made my point quite clearly that just because some top officials or groups say something, that doesn't make it true. The SHEEPLE watch the news, and believe just about every word... So much so, that when they look at footage of, for example, JFK's secret service standing down, they even try to argue it protect the precious cave they live in.

When you start learnign about how sick of a world we really live in, the concept of AIDS being manmade / altered / or crossed doesn't really seem that far fetched... (Unless of course you believe that 50 story buildings just fall down from a little fire... )

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Brandye,

About two years ago, if i had read what i posted above, i'd be saying the same thing as you did... to be honest, I'm not convinved that AIDS is a conspiracy, but i woudn't be surprised if it was. Since there is a lot of information about it, people should at least check it out for themselves...

As far as the word consipracy goes... lets look at some other "kook" conspiracies....

JFK - If you think this wasn't a conspiracy, find the video of the secret service agents that normall ride on the back/side of the presedential vehicle getting ordered off right before the final turn.... They shrug their arms in "WTF" fashion 3 times...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_...elated&search=


911 - Don't even know where to start with this one... NORAD standing down, collapse of tower7, the whole in the pentagon being too small for a plane, no wreckage at the pentagon, i could go on for 3 days about this one... if you don't already know, the film loose change 2nd edition is a good eye opener...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...e+change+recut

I could go on, but i think i've made my point quite clearly that just because some top officials or groups say something, that doesn't make it true. The SHEEPLE watch the news, and believe just about every word... So much so, that when they look at footage of, for example, JFK's secret service standing down, they even try to argue it protect the precious cave they live in.
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I was just thinking that this is starting to turn into a thread hijacking. My apologies to the OP.

If you look around, here is one example of some of the theories floating around:

Myers and his colleagues offered the following best explanation for the origin of HIV: "It is not far-fetched," they wrote, "to imagine the ten or so clades deriving from a single animal (perhaps immunosuppressed and possessing a swarm of variants) [as might have been the case with chimpanzees used in the process of vaccine manufacture] or from a few animals that might have belonged to a single troop or might have been gang-caged together. The number of animals required is secondary to the extent of variation in the source at the time of the zoonotic or iatrogenic event. The [vaccine] hypothesis makes a case for such a punctuated origin . . ." (See: Burr T, Hyman JM and Myers G. The origin of acquired immune deficiency syndrome: Darwinian or Lamarchkian? Phil. Trans. R. Soc. Lond. B (2001) 356:877-887.)

So if chimpanzees were not used to make the polio vaccine, and therefore the origin of HIV and AIDS did not come from this vaccine nor time period (1950s-early 1960s), then what other vaccine, given during the early to mid 1970s, might have used one or more SIVcpz-infected chimpanzees in the manufacturing process?

The answer to this question was singularly advanced by a Harvard-degreed independent investigator, Dr. Leonard Horowitz in the award winning book Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola -- Nature, Accident or Intentional? (Tetrahedron Press, 1998; 1-888-508-4787; http:www.tetrahedron.org) Dr. Horowitz unearthed and reprinted stunning scientific documents and National Institutes of Health contracts proving that chimpanzees, contaminated with numerous viruses, were used to produce hundreds of hepatitis B vaccine doses administered to central African Blacks along with homosexual men in New York City at precisely the time Dr. Myers and colleagues claim the origin of HIV "punctuated event" occurred.
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yes I have to admit that I was waiting for the man made theory to come up I was wondering what the various theorys are, my grandad told me the us wanted to experiment in biological weapons and tried it out on prisoners sentenced to death with the promise that if they survived they would be freed. well they didn't like die immediately so were let loose and bingo
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