While the clitoris is important and is one of the four female hotspots, it is NOT the only one. Dr. Graffenburg - finder of the G-Spot - himself said that if truly aroused there is no part of a woman's body that ISN'T orgasmic. Each woman has her own degree of sensivitity and each woman knows what she likes - listen to her and modify your technique as needed.
Herewith are the four major areas that will induce orgasms in women if correctly stimulated.
1. The clitoris - between the lips of the vagina up at the top where the lips join. Very sensitive so handle with care. Use hands, tongue, whatever she prefers.
2. The G-Spot - if she's on her back, the G-Spot is two knuckles in on the roof of the vagina. Using your hand, palm upwards, curl fingertips up then gently caress using a come hither motion while also moving entire hand in and out. Using your penis/dildo, press gently upward while moving in and out. In either case this is a small movements - no thrusting.
3. The Anterior Fornix - for skilled persons only - you must have the utmost of control when accessing this area. Above the cervix, further in from the G-Spot and on the same side (the roof) of the vagina as the G-Spot. Gently treat using the penis/dildo method as with the G-Spot. No thrusting EVER!
4. The Posterior Fornix - okay you can thrust now but ONLY after she's has already enjoyed an orgasm or two so her vagina has expanded and is ready to receive you. The posterior fornix is below the cervix, way in the back and on the floor of the vagina. Press down and caress. Small movements becoming thrusting is the desired crescendo here.
It is not necessary to draw rings around your penis - so far for the G-Spot, the anterior fornix, the posterior fornix - just remember where each spot is and how much of your penis remains outside of her.
You will notice when you're there by her reaction. Watch her closely. Learn to listen to her body and hear 'her' when 'she' talks to you. Some women are not very demonstrative so look for these INVOLUNTARY signs of orgasm:
1. flushing - some women turn pink some of the time
2. hard nipples - they become erect all on their own
3. dilated pupils - the black at the center of her eyes gets so big you cannot tell what color her eyes are anymore, and she can't see clearly
4. female ejaculate - some women get VERY wet some of the time
5. shaking - some women literally shake or tremble upon orgasm
There you go. See what you can do with this.
Be advised that once a woman has an orgasm - she gets a burst of energy and is ready for more orgasms, and more orgasms, and more.... Most men will satisfy without even coming close to exhausting a woman so do not try to tire her out, just try please her. For further information please see the sticky posts entitled "The Program" and "Body Worship".
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;235126]While the clitoris is important and is one of the four female hotspots, it is NOT the only one. Dr. Graffenburg - finder of the G-Spot - himself said that if truly aroused there is no part of a woman's body that ISN'T orgasmic. Each woman has her own degree of sensivitity and each woman knows what she likes - listen to her and modify your technique as needed.
Herewith are the four major areas that will induce orgasms in women if correctly stimulated.
1. The clitoris
2. The G-Spot
3. The Anterior Fornix
4. The Posterior Fornix
It is not necessary to draw rings around your penis [/QUOTE]
Interesting how the number four occurs so frequently in nature and myth.
I don't think Gräffenberg discovered the spot or area, he was just the first to actually discuss it as an anatomical entity. Later it was named Gräffenberg area or spot after him. What he said about any part being orgasmic was ecoed by Masters and Johnson several decades later.
After one gets down these basics of genital stimulation he/she can begin experimenting with non genital orgasm. This requires an even keener sense of observation so start practicing your ability to recognize orgasm according to Evil Evil Kittens list of signs. Oh just PRACTICE EVERYTHING!;)
BTW Evil Evil Kitten I sort of like drawing rings around my penis, happy faces, WW II type aircraft slogans....
IT is quite nice how the practicing is sooo much FUN!!
Umm... When me and my boyfriend have sex, like I get really really wet... Like someone just poured water down there wet... Is that normal?!? Like sometimes, there will be a wet spot on the bed I'll be so wet...
YES, normal, it is female ejaculation - go forth and ENJOY !!
It is not necessary to draw rings around your penis.
I agree
This is probably a stupid question but I don't understand how you hit these spots during intercourse. I don't know how to aim my penis to hit these spots is there a special way to do this, should I try a different angle or prop her up with a pillow, help
It is precisely a question of angles. Part of a man's "education" should involve the art of know where his penis is when it is inside her vagina. Learning this art is helped if the lady freely exhibits her reactions to his 'caresses' and maneuvers herself so he can hit the spot.
It would be awesome if anyone could link pictures (diagrams) of where the four spots are at and what angles to reach them at.
Edit; Did my own legwork (:eek:) and found a few diagrams that may be of some help, though the angle thing is something else...
sorry for this pic being so big, it's the best I could do. #20 is the anterior fornix, #19 is the posterior fornix
Nice, thanks. I had no idea what the anterior or posterior were located. So in simplistic terms, it just means that the whole entire vaginal area is a source of orgasmic potential...right???
Not the whole vagina to my understanding SG. what was explained to me is when a woman inserts a tampon inside she positions it to an area wear she doesn't feel it. i believe that it is in the area where number 13 is at.
to my knowledge this is why EEK titled this thread "Four Hotspots" because these spots have bundles of nerves. i have read many times here that the vaginal canal has little to no nerve endings, and this is helpful for birthing.
I am always in favor of people doing their own footwork.
It's so nice to know the terminology for these spots, especially the "unknown" fornix ones, at least by a moron such as myself. :)
I can second the statement that #3 is a TREAD WITH CAUTION! One horrible mistake I've made.... once .... was to thrust in too deeply too quick in a position that had me drive directly into that. That was nearly a game stopper for the night, and I felt horrible! To be honest I've been "scared" to go to that location since, and that's been years ago.
But, I'm open to suggestions on how an expert does this expert move. Is it just a matter of extreme slowness and gentleness in till a reaction is hit, and then no further? I understand no thrusting, but is there no movement at all and just the pressure of it being there, or is it just teeny tiny movement?
Also, as I'm a self described ignorant male when it comes to doing sex right, with these being rotated through is there generally one to stop on and stick with for orgasm? Or can/do they come from any of the 4, and if you want another you just move to the next or round robin through them? Are these ever teamed up on, say a fornix with clitoral stimulation, or generally done independently?
I'm very keen on her subtle queues as to what's working and what's not, but there's no formality to what I'm doing, so I've always had a nagging feeling I'm not as good as I could be. Both of us were our 1st partners ever, so I don't know from multiple sources if I'm an attentive lover other than her saying I am, and now after 13 years of marriage I still want to be sure I'm providing her the most pleasure I can. I'd hate for some tiny details to be in the way. :)
Thanks all!
Smal movements, the merest flexing when dealing with the anterior fornix. Very gentle caresses. Yes, you rotate through round robin - once one hot spot has fired, it needs time to reset before capable of another orgasm so move along. Yes, you can mix two - for example cunnlingus with manual G-Spot - WOW!! Extremely GOOD!
Actually, there are three more sources of orgasms not covered. The perineal sponge, the cervix and the introitus, Like the first 4 spots mentioned, proper stimulation is a must for these 3 as well, especially the cervix - no headbanging allowed.
The introitus is best stimulated with the flat of the tongue. One of my exes loved me spreading her labia open and going to town on her entrance. Another way is to use the guy's glans and ever so slightly popping in and out. Take care to leave the meatus portion of the penis inside so air doesn't come in (biggest source of queefs) and the introitus doesn't close completely. If that introitus closes, the head could collide rather than pry open the entrance. Like I said before, no headbanging allowed.
The perineal sponge is along the back wall halfway inside the vaginal barrel. Proper angle is pretty easy with this one, just ride high so the penis is pointing to the woman's tailbone and you should be good to go. Like the g-spot, this area is a pretty sturdy spot. Added bonus is once you angle it properly the shaft of the penis can rub the clit pretty well (also depends on the woman's C-V distance).
Regarding stimulating the cervix, this is the trickiest part. Therer are two ways to rub this spot properly.
I've had success stimulating it with the coronal ridge of my glans on the outstroke. Once you get past the cervix to get to the postrior fornix, retract the penis until you feel that pop. Don't retract it too far or the os comes back down for a headlong crash (similar to the entrance pop, but about 3 inches deeper). Retract it far enough so that a little movement in gives that popping sensation again. The pop is when the os rubs up against the glans sideways. I've witnessed orgasms from that twice. It's very rare to find a woman who will orgasm this way, but the stimualtion is pretty trance-like.
The other way was her all the way, I just laid back and enjoyed it. She got me in reverse cowgirl with her leaning forward and using my frenulum nudging back and forth on her os.
Playing around the cervix is something that eluded me for long time or may even not remember. My wife did not have a cervix for years as she was an ovarian cancer stage III and underwent full radical bilateral hysterectomy. Later in life apparently met few size queen and in other women may be I was just too excited top locate the cervix anyway so I looking forward to learn more.
The cervix tends to be painful when hit thank you very much and why some women think sex should be painful is something we needn't discuss here but that is why it isn't included.
What part if my no head banging allowed statement did you not understand?
[QUOTE=ViceRoy;279106]Actually, there are three more sources of orgasms not covered. The perineal sponge, the cervix and the introitus, Like the first 4 spots mentioned, proper stimulation is a must for these 3 as well, especially the cervix - no headbanging allowed.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with this :) And I'd like to add a few personal favorites:
As for the introitus; while she's on top, you can add stimulation of this area during penetration by firmly cupping her buttocks and pressing them upwards. It basically narrows the vaginal entrance. Or she can do this herself. I tend to do it more effective myself actually ;)
Do keep in mind that the edges of the vagina can be extremely sensitive. Personally; as much as I love this type of stimulation, particularly during and right after menstruation I can't bare having it stimulated and prefer a one time penetration and for him to stay inside deep. So; if she did like it the other time, don't assume she always will and vice versa. This goes for any type of sexual stimulation actually; it's all just because we're organic and not mechanic.
Men; if your penis is curved, make use of it! :) For example; my ex-lover had an upward curved penis, meaning that rear entry was perfect for stimulating the perineal sponge.
For the ladies: I actually find doggystyle ideal to easy shift the angle from g-spot to perineal sponge stimulation. Since all I have to do is either put my chest down on the bed (butt comes up an inch) or prop myself up with my arms straight under my shoulders (butt goes down an inch) or even sit up. As much as this is considered a male superior position, your maneuverability can put you in control!
I'm not sure about the instruction for stimulating the cervix with a "pop". I can't really say what it feels like to a man (allthough I know my ex-lover found it very stimulating, just as much as I do :)). From my point of view, I'd describe it as a light rubbing; the head of the penis right under and against the cervix, making a small horizontal movement. The rubbing created by a combination of the rim of the corona and the skin of his penis moving along the cervix.
I'd also like to point out the cervix can be sturdy (like the tip of a nose), but also very soft (like an earlobe) and can be in a slightly different position, depending on where she is in her cycle. So you should be prepared to have to locate it each time.
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;279117]The cervix tends to be painful when hit thank you very much and why some women think sex should be painful is something we needn't discuss here but that is why it isn't included.[/QUOTE]
Cervix-stimulation does not equal painful sex. It's a preference, just like any other of the mentioned hotspots.
Thank you, RedRoses. Nice response. I like your descriptions of the angles and how the slight variations can make a huge difference in stimulation.
Speaking of pain, I do know some women who hate, absolutely hate, anterior fornix stimulation for the pain. I also know a women with a tipped uterus who absolutely loves it. You can't get this kind of knowledge from some book, you've gotta listen to everyone.
Look if you want me to incorporate new info - you might try asking before demanding. You could, alternatively, write your own article instead of remaking mine. I do listen to new information: the entrance to the vagina is erogenous, the peri area is also erogenous and some women also enjoy cervical stimulation. Yes. Without a doubt all of that is true. You could post an article entitled something like The Three Other Hotspots. But none of that invalidates The Four Hotspots. They remain as erogenous as ever.
As for the posterior fornix, you are no doubt aware that vaginas come in all shapes and sizes. You are also no doubt aware of the desire to "go deep" as the expression goes. Including the posterior fornix as to answer why "going deep" has the effect it does. And depending upon position, it is easily reached by men endowed with "shorter" penises. Well, perhaps you aren't but I am.
As for listening - no, the skin is larger than the brain so, sorry, buddy, but Brandye is quite right and, yes, Planned Parenthood did say that.
Knowledge from a book?
He doesn't know me too well do he?
In truth: there isn't any part of a woman's body that ISN'T erogenous once she's fully sexually aroused. The POINT of this article isn't to detail every single inch of her flesh that could be stimulated but rather to detail the basics that everyone should know: clitoris, G-Spot and the fornices with the proviso that the anterior fornix requires greater care due to its vulnerability.
Rest assured that I haven't learned most of this article from books.
Post-coital debriefings, yes; books, no.
Even Planned Parenthood describes "skin, the largest sex organ."
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;279141]Knowledge from a book?
He doesn't know me too well do he?
In truth: there isn't any part of a woman's body that ISN'T erogenous once she's fully sexually aroused. The POINT of this article isn't to detail every single inch of her flesh that could be stimulated but rather to detail the basics that everyone should know: clitoris, G-Spot and the fornices with the proviso that the anterior fornix requires greater care due to its vulnerability.
Rest assured that I haven't learned most of this article from books.
Post-coital debriefings, yes; books, no.[/QUOTE]
Once again, you've missed my point. You don't listen to new information, just stubbornly stick to your own version of what's culturally accepted. The posterior fornix is a lot more difficult to reach/caress than the perineal sponge, the introitus or the cervix. In fact the posterior fornix, more than any other part of a woman's body, is where penis size matters most. Also, in fact, a very small minority of women enjoy PFE stimulation. By writing about the PFE zone. you're unwittingly propagating the whole size matters that you seem to want to dispel.
Listen, listen, listen.
[QUOTE=Brandye;279143]Even Planned Parenthood describes "skin, the largest sex organ."[/QUOTE]
No, the brain is.
Firstly, no "demands" were made, I merely pointed out that you missed 3.
Secondly, that article is absolutely fine as-is.
Thirdly, regarding listening to new information, it was in regards to this:
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;279117]The cervix tends to be painful when hit thank you very much and why some women think sex should be painful is something we needn't discuss here but that is why it isn't included.[/QUOTE]
Which, until Red pointed out that cervical stimulation was pleasurable for her, was not up for discussion. You've acknowledged now that it is. Good enough for me.
Regarding the posterior fornix, I do want to have a more in-depth (pun intended) discussion, but on a thread devoted to just that topic.
Lastly, the whole brain vs. skin thing is just my way of saying its what's in your head that counts more, much more, than what goes on on your skin.
And, Viceroy, wrong again. The brain may be the most important sex organ; it is not the largest. You seem to prefer confrontation to learning.
[QUOTE=Brandye;279162]And, Viceroy, wrong again. The brain may be the most important sex organ; it is not the largest. You seem to prefer confrontation to learning.[/QUOTE]
Fine, you want to quibble? Let's do that. According to the dictionary:
[url=http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sex+organ]sex organ - definition of sex organ by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
sex organ - any organ involved in sexual reproduction
So, technically, skin is not a sex organ at all. You can say planned parenthood says it is all you want, but the fact is, it is not. Skin definitely has eroneous zones, but a sex organ in the technical sense? Nope.
You just don't listen new information.
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;279173]You just don't listen new information.[/QUOTE]
You want to explain that in English please?
It is clear enough.
The posterior fornix can easily be reached by the majority of penises inside the majority of vaginas, but some may require different positions and angles to make it more accessible. There are threads on this that can be found by googling
"posterior fornix" site:sexinfo101.com
[QUOTE=funinthesun;279314]The posterior fornix can easily be reached by the majority of penises inside the majority of vaginas, but some may require different positions and angles to make it more accessible. There are threads on this that can be found by googling
"posterior fornix" site:sexinfo101.com[/QUOTE]
I've read some of your posts on the matter, good reading. What, based on your research, would you say is a good depth to reach to properly stimulate this area? And, what is the source of this information?
try a little thump action on #13
When it comes to posterior fornix stimulation, my personal favorite is folded deckchair position:
[INDENT] He puts her legs on his shoulders and goes into this missionary-like position: [url=http://www.sexinfo101.com/foldeddeckchair.shtml]Folded Deck Chair. Him lowering his upper body down till you are belly-to-belly and chest-to-chest, supporting his weight on his lower arms. It tends to give an easy little tilt to her pelvic and while he carefully pushes his penis all the way inside, all it takes is making tiny thrusting movements. With the springs of the bed working along, her hips tend to exaggerate the movement, so keep that in mind. Personally; the extra good part of it was that because my ex-lover's penis is upward-curved, it would sort of cup the cervix and reach around it :)[/INDENT]
I tend to have some lack of perspective from a male point of view. But I think funinthesun describes something comparable very well here: http://www.sexinfo101.com/forum/pleasing-her/24443-posterior-fornix-how-...
There's a position that is a bit more athletic and exotic that I consider really fun, so thought I'd share it too :) I don't know if there's even a name to it. I'll try to describe it as clearly as possible.
A note prior; this is an inverted position derived from yoga and is considered not suitable while menstruating (though opinions on the scientific basics to that may differ). If she feels uncomfortable in any way at any time, help her ease out of the position putting her back down slowly, supporting her hips. This position may not be for her. Or maybe the timing simply isn't right, like when her stomach is still full from a prior meal. He should keep in mind the angle that's comfortable to his penis. And that you should feel free to variate according to your relative body-proportions and flexibility. The purpose is pleasure, not to audition on joining the circus! ;)
[INDENT]She's on her back, he's on his knees in between her legs. She puts her legs up, knees bend towards her chest. She rolls her spine back, while he helps her put her butt up higher, lifting it off the mattress. Like she is going to roll back like a ball, but keeping it up there half way (or less). He comes up high on his knees and her lower back is now resting against his thighs. While holding her hips up with his hands, he's bending his upper-body from the hips down and pushes his penis all the way in carefully till you hit the spot. Depending on your height differences and flexibility, he could put his hands on the bed with arms straight. Otherwise remain there. Making small thrusts.
You could also create movement without any thrusting. Just get to the right spot inside her first, then he moves his hips making circles. Or: he raises his upper body a bit and while holding her hips with his hands he rocks and circles her hips gently.
She shouldn't feel like keeping her body very tensed and rigid, allow it to relax. As long as her body doesn't get past that half way point, her back is snugly leaning against him. Pulling her bellybutton towards her spine with her abdominals whenever desired (just doing that can make slight adjustments in your pose). Her hands are free to wonder wherever she pleases. She could put her hands on his hips, hold his hands, caress his face, stimulate her own breasts or clitoris, etc. The latter is practically impossible in folded deckchair. [/INDENT]
Personally; I consider it even more delicately variable and easier to reach those great depths of the vagina than folded deckchair. While my spine is getting a delicious massage and my body is re-energizing. A bit like the sensation of riding along with the waves of the ocean. Being downside up tends to vitalize the nervous system and opens a whole new world of sensations. Amazingly pleasurable! :)
Beautiful post, RedRoses. I believe there are 4 variables when it comes to stimulating the posterior fornix. Fit, position, angle and motion.
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