Each woman is unique. Some of us are really turmed on by breast play; some are willing to let you have fun; and. some of us are turned off by breast play. I knew one woman who absolutely would not allow nipple sucking because the "wetness" made her shrivel uncomfortably.

If it is disheartening to you, that is tough because that is the way the world is.

To add to what has been said is this--

Along with each person's uniqueness and proclivities is the fact that the primary erogenous zones do not turn-on and become reactive until the person is really really turned on and nearing the trigger point of their orgasm. So, while gently caressing the breasts can be soothing and pleasurable in additon to other forms of caresses going on, waiting until later when the arousal level is near peak is the ideal time to involve breast and anal play. Doing so increases or augments the sensations derived form what the other hand is doing.

> > as I can tell, every woman has nerve endings there. Am I simply doing something wrong with them?

Some women enjoy breast play right up to the point of no return but not beyond, preferring that fondling stop before the onset of an orgasm.

Some women enjoy breast play right up to and through the point of no return.

Some women prefer no breast play or at least very little.

In addition, you may discover that one breast or nipple is more reactive than the other. Learn what she enjoys, what works for her and when, and then aim to please (her).

The way to handle them is to graze over them in the early stages of making out as your hand(s) move on to other areas. Wait until she is very turned on before trying to devote much time and attention to them and when you do, continue doing other things with the free hand. Learn from her what she enjoy, when, and to what extent, as noted, then work within these paramenters.

> I asked her how she felt with the fondling I was giving her. Her response was "It doesn't do much for me."

How much time and attention are you devoting to the fine art of romance? Guys can be up, running, and ready for a climax within a couple of minutes. Not so for the fairer sex. Me thinks you need to devote much more time to her as a person than as a body. I bet if you spend a lot of time making out (no less than half an hour, and more if possible) you will find that your caresses will begin to do much for her. Please do an advanced search of the Board using my name and the term "inclusive" to learn more about how to properly make out.

After reading my comments on making out the other thread, please ask if you have other questions.

> First off, I'd like to thank you for the advice.

You're welcome.... Glad to be of some help.

> Second off, I'm off to read your posts.

Please get back to me with any questions or concerns.

> Third off, do you have any interesting date ideas (to enhance the "person get to knowing thing bla" part) that isn't dinner and a movie?

Now that the good weather is beginning to affect us in the northern hemisphere, how about taking a blanket and a couple of pillows and drive or ride bicycles into the country where you can have a picnic lunch under a tree in some secluded place. You can then take a hike or do whatever for the afternoon.

Alternately, take a walk in the park. If there is a zoo go visit the animals.

Go to the roof of the tallest building in town and spend time looking at the scenery with the wind in your sails so to speak.

Simply go for a drive into the country. Hold her hand in your lap for a while and at some point, later, pull it up or over to your fly where she will probably notice an erection. I leave the rest to your imagination.

Alternately, rest your arm around her shoulder and later, let your fingers slip down the front of her blouse/top. Spend time on the outside of the bra before slipping your fingers inside. I leave the rest to her imagination.

Go to the library and look at one or more books on travel or maps of other countries and then do a "what if" game. What if we were here or I was there and you were here, or what would we like to see or do if we went here, etc. This will get you talking and discussing and you can learn a lot about each other from this exercise.

Listen to what she says and if she ever talks about things she likes doing then see about treating her to one or more.

Go window shopping at the mall. The purpose of this is to observe her and what she sees that she likes. You can learn a lot about what clothing styles she likes, colors that are good on her, jewelry she likes, etc. The reverse works too. Any b'days coming up soon? Oh, well, there is always Christmas--and, you don't have to ask, you sly dog.

This is all that comes to mind right now. No doubt others will have further suggestions.

Go the the beach of a river or lake, spread out two blankets, one on top of the other and then make out in between them. (The beach should not be crowded, yet it need not necessarily be private!)

Fourth off, again, thank you.

Here is a partial copy from a post I wrote about six weeks ago. It might help or at least give you some ideas. Perky or not, breasts be breasts and most have the ability to respond to caresses.

BE GENTLE. Pinching and twisting are no-nos. However, you might discover that she enjoys a very gentle squeeze or a bit of a rotational tweak.

Fourth, different sensations will be felt with a dry finger and a wet finger. You can rub the side or front of a nipple and the areola either way.

Fifth, kisses can be applied dry, moist, or wet and slurpy. The latter leaves plenty of moisture behind to wet a finger.

Sixth, consider at times "grazing" over the surface of each using your lips, fingers, or palms in unison.

Seventh, do not use your nails unless you determine early on that she likes it. If you want to use your fingernail, place some material like the bedsheet between your finger and the nipple, then use the edge of your nail to rub the nipple. The material serves two purposes; first, it makes the nail feel less abrasive; second, it somehow intensifies the sensations the nail creates.

Eighth, you can bounce a nipple between your fingers, using your fingers flat but touching each other, or, you can use the same bouncing action with fingers parted. Try fast and slow motions to see what works, when. (Remember the washboards with corrogations used in olden days to wash clothing?)

Ninth, if her breasts are small and lie flat against the chest when she reclines, you can place the palm of your hand over one and massage the nipple against the ribcage using a small circular motion and gentle pressure.

Tenth, as with all forms of caressing, keep other areas of her body involved at the same time you are doing things to those erogenous zones. You have two hands and a pair of lips, so keep one hand busy one place and the other roaming. As with all things, take your cues from her responses and do more of the things she enjoys.

> I know the tits are suppse to do things to her but what? When I finger mine nothing happens which is why I'm wondering.

I wish I knew the answer to your first question. One woman recently divulged that her nipples have a direct connection to her clitoris. That would seem to indicate that whatever happens topside will augment whatever sensations are being experienced down below. As for the second, place a layer of your T-shirt, pajama top, or bed sheet between your fingernail and nipple. Fiddle with one or the other only when you are very highly aroused. See if one is more reactive than the other and if so, devote more time and attention to this one.

That would be I who said my right nipple is wired directly to my clitoris. And as detailed as Doc has been on breast play, forget it all with me. And with many other women. If my breasts are not proerly cared for upfront, all that comes later will be wasted. Talk about it, try it and learn about your specific partner.

You are asking another question, about "flimsy" breasts, that is not answerable. Some of us are quite firm and some quite soft. This is partly genetic, partly lifestyle and partly age. We are individuals and our bodies are different.

Do NOT ask where our breasts go when we lie on our backs!!!!