alright. i might be able to answer this one.

foreplay is a good idea, to turn both you and your girlfriend on. since (im hoping) you want to make this feel good and all for your gf (im assuming since you asked about the girl) you first engage in foreplay to get her aroused. you dont masturbate while you are flaccid do you? well the same pretty much goes for the ladies, only different concept. (you gotta turn her on [get her wet?] before you use your penis anywhere around her vagina, you know?)

since the girl has fingered herself in the past, she knows what she likes by now, and should be able to tell you what to do. i would start (if you guys are in the mood) by doing the following: (im gonna use that guide you posted doc, ty)

[QUOTE= Doc]*MAKING OUT*

There is no one way to begin or to proceed. Variety is spice, and each episode may precipitate a different way to start.

Necking--
All things above the shoulders.

I believe a good beginning is to start kissing and caressing her after sitting next to each other for a while, perhaps listening to music or watching television. Cuddling works. So too does hugging.

That said, after perhaps holding hands or having an arm around her shoulder, begin by stroking or lightly brushing her hair with your fingers. Girls enjoy running a brush through their hair. and for your fingers to do this is a great starting point. Next, consider using your finger tips to gently massage the back of her head and neck and then lightly caressing her shoulders.

The things you do should have a timelessness about them with no sense of rushing or urgency. For her benefit, a make out session should be no less than half an hour in length--longer if convenient.

Place your head on her shoulder and rest it there for awhile as your fingers caress the fingers of her hand while perhaps resting in her lap or yours. Explore her palm and then with a free hand draw her near and cuddle. As you do you can raise your head and kiss her on the cheek, lips, or side of the neck, as appropriate.

As things progress you can brush your lips over her eyebrows, her cheeks, neck, and shoulders.

Kisses should begin with a light touch and not linger. More pressure and passion, with lingering kisses comes later and after a certain level of arousal and sexual excitement has been attained.

You might place the side of your forefinger under her chin, and either raise her head to meet your lips, or, to turn her head to do so. Whatever is appropriate.

One and or two kisses in a row works with the second one lingering.

In addition to stroking her hair, massaging her neck and shoulders, kissing her face, and tracing your fingers over her face, you can do these things while also kissing her.

Depending upon your ages, necking should be the be all-end all if you are a young teen. Mother Nature has played a mean joke on the human race by letting us develop physically and sexually at the expense of being emotionally secure and prepared. Until you are older teens, I recommend confining your intimacy to this level. The difficulty with this logic is that teens do not know what they do not know and being ruled by hormones, we often believe that because the body says "yes" that it is a given that the mind does, also. Not so. The brain is not fully developed until around age 21! The last portion of the gray matter to form is the frontal lobe that makes it possible to "see around corners" and understand the consequences of our actions.

Petting--
At age 17-18 you can include all of the above along with kisses and caresses to the torso, arms, and legs, primarily with clothes on.

Caresses should be all inclusive. As you move from A to B to C you should revisit A and B. As your caresses move on to D, E, & F, you should also revisit A, B, & C., etc., et cetera, etc. In so doing, we raise each other's level of arousal, tension, anticipation, and, excitement.

Involvement of the breasts, genitals, and earlobes should come later as tensions mount. Do not skip to the end of the alphabet bypassing the ABCs. Guys are ready willing and able to enjoy sex almost at a moments whim; not so, girls. Girls require a much longer span of time to be ready to experience an orgasm and the route is much more deliberate. Know this and devote the time and attention required.

Breast and genital involvement should be cursory at this level. You can cup and briefly touch and fondle one or both breasts in passing as you move from one place to the next. The same goes for the genitals. You might trace your fingers down to her pubic area from the abdomen, or, up from the inside of her leg and thigh, and even slide your fingers between her legs.

If her clothing partially exposes her breasts, then feel free to let your fingers roam and explore their curves.

Genital play can be anything from just letting your hand rest on her pubic mound, or inside her legs, to actually trying to arouse her by massaging her vulva. Keep in mind that clothing is restrictive so not much is probably going to happen.

Heavy Petting--

This includes all of the above and now introduces more intimacy by gradually undoing and later removing one or more articles of clothing.

Breast play now begins to include closer contact by undoing her blouse or shirt and touching her breasts through her bra. A hand can slip up inside her top from the waist. This new level of intimacy increases her arousal while giving her time to adjust to her greater exposure and vulnerability, especially if she is new to all this.

You can slip your fingers down inside her cups from the top, or, unfasten the bra, letting it dangle, while exploring within.

Nipple involvement begins now, and only after she achieves a certain high level of arousal.

Foreplay--

Continues all of the above familiarity and now lets a couple begin to undress and explore and fondle each other in greater detail and to a much higher level of arousal and sexual tension.

Guys devote more time and attention to the breasts and nipples, as well as actually exploring her vulva and all its pieces-parts. It is now that fingering the Labia Majora (large lips) and kneading, gently tugging, and massaging the Labia Minora (small lips) as well as fingering the clitoris and shaft begin to take her on the final climb toward her orgasm. As all this is happening, remember your ABCs and the rest of the proverbial alphabet. Now that you can touch, kiss and caress her skin directly, you should spend plenty of time exploring every inch of her body and applying plenty of kisses and caresses. These should now be much more sensual in nature and application.

As she becomes more aroused, you can begin to transition her toward her climax and into eventually helping her achive one--or more. It is at this time that a man will finger his partner and perhaps engage in oral stimulation. The woman will reciprocate as she desires. For most couples this will be the end of the adventure. For those wanting to continue, the end will of course be intercourse.

The Last Word--

I hope I have given you enough techniques and ideas for how to make out, especially with regard to Necking. With a vivid imagination you can take this information and expand upon it in broader terms. I've provided fewer details with the other levels because this is not the focus of your question. I included guidelines because I want you to see how all this fits together both in scope and as a timeline for how love making progresses down the road and as you accumulate more experience and maturity.

Please, please do not be in a big rush to do it all. If you are young, spend a year or two just Necking. If you are older, then spend four, five, or more months just Necking and Petting before doing the heavy stuff.

Keep in mind that as a loving partnership, a couple should teach each other and learn together. It is silly and unrealistic to think that you have to be perfect right from the get-go. If mistakes happen, just roll with them and have fun in the process[/QUOTE]

if you basically do some things in that, i dont see a problem.

maybe another forum person (lol) can specify what you need.

Some additional input seems necessary.

> you dont masturbate while you are flaccid do you?

At 14 and during your teens and early twenties, you may not have found that you remain flaccid during arousal. It certainly happens from time to time and it is very possible to ejaculate without benefit of an erection.

> well the same pretty much goes for the ladies, only different concept. (you gotta turn her on [get her wet?] before you use your penis anywhere around her vagina, you know?)

The appearance of vaginal mucus ("juices"), like the appearance of pre-cum, is only an indicator of early arousal, it most certainly does not mean that a man or woman is ready for intercourse. When a woman is both physically and emotionally ready she will invite you to proceed.

Thanks, Champ, for posting the quote.

you welcome. it seemed question appropriate.

i cant be right all the time can i?

but by masturbate, i meant "beating off" (in heavier terms)

I edited my post above by moving the word "early" for better clarification.

You are not wrong, simply incomplete which is why I felt some additional input was beneficial.

o ok.

thanks again :)