I had my first child when I was 15 years old. I felt mature enough at the time, but wasn't as I now know. I lost my virginity at the age of 12. I was with the same boy from 11 to 16 x We thought we were in love, which we were, but not true love as I now have with my husband of 4 years. Feelings and emotions can run away with youngsters and one thing leads to another. Didn't do me any long term harm as I am now doing well in life, but some are not so lucky.

11yo girls
Wow....
I think it would be hard to take them to trial and really kinda pointless.
It is a felony, however because of their ages the most they could get would be 6 or 7 years max in (if they did 'time').

I still can't believe the age of the girls.

It's a shock and makes you wonder why the school was not supervising these kids. Realistically, what are they going to do put them in Juve Hall? Hopefully mandatory counseling will result since the ability to tell right from wrong at this age is impaired. Meaning they knew it was wrong but to what extent.

Notice the "charges" it's the best the DA can do since they cannot consent to sex given their ages.

It's things like this that makes me utterly terrified to have kids. I don't want to give birth to a little girl thinking that in 10 years she's going to be a mini whore. Or to some little boy who is going to already have 8 different partners by the time he's 13 because it's "cool" and what "everyone else is doing." I know a lot of it rests on the home life and the parents, but we can't be there to supervise them 24/7.

The one thought I had after I read this and posted, I wondered how many of these kids lived there through Katrina and if Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome will be a plausible defense for their actions. Kids manifest stress through various different actions, some of them are really out there too.

I also noticed the reporter did not get into the specific acts being performed, I wonder if they were masterbating since no result of the finding suggested one had to be taken to the local hospital for care (meaning a rape kit).

It's a sad situation, but the times we live in. It's a fact that kids are having sex at younger and younger ages. All you can do is try to instill some values and a strong sense of self in your children. I agree that the girls in this story need some type of therepy for there self-esteem and maybe sexual abuse in the home or in the past(I acted out sexually after I was raped and molested, I thought it was expected)I think that the boys in this story need to be taught respect for women, and about growing into a man period. These are the reasons why the black community is so broken. No one takes these kids in hand and show them the right ways to go.The thing that bothers me most about this is, where the hell were the adults? Why was this class left alone for so long? Why should the parents be held accountable for what their parents did in school? When you send your child to school, the school has a duty to watch and protect your child. Now when a problem arises the school points the finger at the parents. No matter how you raise your child and you can be the best parent in the world, your child has a mind of their own and will do what ever they want out of your sight.

The parents are not being charged since while in school the child is the responsibility of the school's administration...

society as a whole needs to take better charge of educating children family/parents school and everybody else

now then, has anybody perhaps considered the possibiltiy that they have the emotional maturity and desire to have sex. people are always coming out and giving their own reasons for people doint stuff. ptsd, bad parenting, lack of moral values, not knowing right from rong, sexual abuse at an earlier age, peer pressure, trying to be in with the crowd but nobody has ever said they could possibly just like sex. people are always saying how its rong at that age and how they arent ready for it, with all due respect what do these people know about the individuals involved and how they feel. the story now adays is one of kids maturing at an ever younger age, i know people who were ready to have sex, and did have sex at younger than 11. and its THEIR choice no one elses. parents think they have control over everything their children do and think you can influence everything they do. im sorry to say but you are very very rong. if people want to have sex, they will have sex. and you trying to remove this desire just strengthens it. in my opinion parents should indeed try promote waiting til a later age but support their decsion if they feel they are ready at whatever age. im completely certain when i say this but when parents get told what age their child first had sex their are years added on. believe you me. and im sure many of you were in that situation yourselves, deceiving your parents or others. i feel if that if they are ready than they should be allowed to have sex, and you should support that and promote the precausions they should take.

times have moved on from the no sex before marriage, the completely inncocent young girls and boys. and if yo dont like it its just tough. move on. cos there is nothing you can do about it

thanks for readin.
scott

Scott:

That is not a plausible argument nor valid point. If in fact, they were emotionally mature to have sex, they would not have done it in front of a class room of other students with other children (AND YOUNGER CHILDREN WATCHING).

Standing in front of a class room performing these acts is lewd behavior and demonstrates improper impulse control. They are not capable of proper judgement at this age. Physically a 11-13 y/o MAY be able to perform the act, but emotionally they are not prepared to handle the act nor are they capable of dealing with unintended consequences.

Quite true:
1 they should not have been doing it in public that is lack of judgement
2 girls especially are just not physically ready (well boys too) and if we are maturing at an ever younger age what would happen if the 11 year old girl got pregnant ? for starters she could do damage at her age having sex as the body is not totally grown and a girl that age runs a serious risk being pregnant she has to grow herself let alone carry a child, this would cause long term problems for her ie: for her whole life from 11 to 18 we are supposed to be rapidly growing and forming into adults not nurturing a child the body can't handle it.

of course all these erotic stories about 12 year olds doing it don't help and kids that age do get hold of them especially with the more and more unsupervised use of the internet.

This make me ill. I have 4 kids, one of which is 12 and I can't imagine him even thinking about doing something like that. He is immature, thank god! But still I wasn't even kissing at that age! It's sad to think that they have started this at such a young age. they are not physically nor mentally ready for sex.

again people are saying they are not emotionally ready. do you know them personally, do you know their interests, do you know their past, the way they think. the answer is no. only 1 person does and thats those kids. i could argue my case all day as im sure you all could however im not going to change my opinon as im sure you wont change yous. so i guess we are just going to have to agree that we disagree.

As neither of us know these children involved; certain childhood developmental stages (and have been used by professionals for years) are applied to gain an understanding as to what & why. Why they have done this is up to the police & a psychologist to find the reasons for--having group sex in a class room.

As far as the behavior, as much as you feel it is appropriate it is not and this is why it made the news paper, and the children were taken into custody. The point of the OP was to shed some light on recent findings.

An 11 year or 13 old "kid" is not prepared emotionally to raise a child and to be a parent. They cannot consent by law to having sex. Nor are they capable of financially supporting themselves. If they were, they would be working and driving cars. Society is "lucky" if an 18 year old is prepared to do this. For every action there is a reaction, and the unintended consequences are pretty severe for "kids".

Since you are 16 would you perform sex acts in front of a group of kids in a classroom? And engaging in sex are you ready to potentially be a parent? Or to understand what goes into terminating a pregnancy?

There is no justification for sex at 11 none at all!

[QUOTE=Newtolove;1739962 girls especially are just not physically ready (well boys too) and if we are maturing at an ever younger age what would happen if the 11 year old girl got pregnant ?[/QUOTE]
Females usually mature faster than males.
I know an OB/GYN who's delivered 11-year-olds' children... he sometimes has nightmares about his daughter that age.

a girl having a child at 11 thats ridiculus! What has are society come to. 100 years ago a man and women could not even be seen holding hands unless they were married! altough i may be off by a couple of years, you get my point.

[QUOTE=Browser;174086]Females usually mature faster than males.
I know an OB/GYN who's delivered 11-year-olds' children... he sometimes has nightmares about his daughter that age.[/QUOTE]

Females do mature faster than males but that is intended mainly in the emotional / psychological maturity sense (basically from my personal point of view it is a justification of the stupidity of many males at ANY age but mainly as teens and way into their twenties), physically at age 11 there is a lot to be "grown" I would think this 11 year old girl had some trouble breast feeding her child ?, As I said above girls as well as boys from 11 to 18 undergo a lot of growth that is necessary in adulthood, as potential parents and workers to support themselves.

[QUOTE=tikteka57;174090] 100 years ago a man and women could not even be seen holding hands unless they were married! altough i may be off by a couple of years, you get my point.[/QUOTE]

this is just my point exactly, society has moved on from this. people of more modern generations ( no offence to anybody of an older generation) are more interested in having fun and doing the things they enjoy. no longer are people hung up on 'saving themselves' or 'waiting for the one'. and this gets passed down to later generations.

and if you dont mind me asking tikteka57 why is there no justification for it?? if they enjoy it then its something they should be allowed to do. parents are always coaching their kids to do what they enjoy, how is that different from this?? just because its something they arent ready for, and below an age which someone decided who knows nothing about the individuals in todays MODERN society.

somebody said that because they did it in front of other students it proves they arent emotionally ready or mature. that to me means nothing to be honest. i know people a lot older than them who have done this themselves. for example: me doing it in close proximity to my parents, my mate doing in class during the lesson with the teacer there, another mate and his gf doing it whilst someone was sat on the edge of the bed, again another mate was doing it with 6 of us in the same room, and 2 of those doing stuff themselves. and these are all mature people. it just boiled down to the fact that they enjoy it, they wanted to do it, and so they did. nothing more, nothing less.

pretty pussy, you said you cant even imagine your son thinking about doing that, im sorry to say this, and this is nothing against your son what so ever, but he probably has fantasised about it. just because people are immature in their behaviour means nothing about the readiness to do stuff. i know a girl who is the most immature person i know, yet shes having sex more regularly than some porn stars. and that is no exaggeration. the reason why, she enjoys it. people who are mature in one area are not in another and vice versa. some people who are totally immature in their behaviour but extremely mature in their mindset. actually choosing to act younger than their mentality in order to fit in with the people they know. it is a possibility

also you said they are not mentally or physically ready, again you do not know them. you dont know their beliefs, the enjoyments, how they act or how they think. they could in actual fact be more mature than mpst adults. you dont know that. speaking from my own experiences i am currently 16 yet think and feel like some one in their early to mid 20's. when i was 11-13 i thought like an 18 year old, as do a lot of people nowadays.

addressing their physical readiness, people develop nowadays at an ever decreasing age. with their lifestyle people start younger and younger. gone are the times when chidren reached puberty at 13/14/15. personally speaking, i started puberty when i was about 7. as many of my mates did. people are maturing physically and mentally at a younger age. and no one person knows of how they truly feel. if they want to do it. they will do it, and nothing anybody says or does can stop it.

i understand that many think it is wrong or immoral, but then people could think the same about you. but that woulst stop you as you thinking that it is wrong for them will stop them. thats the simple and plain truth

[QUOTE=scottyv#47;174337]this is just my point exactly, society has moved on from this. people of more modern generations ( no offence to anybody of an older generation) are more interested in having fun and doing the things they enjoy. no longer are people hung up on 'saving themselves' or 'waiting for the one'. and this gets passed down to later generations.

somebody said that because they did it in front of other students it proves they arent emotionally ready or mature. that to me means nothing to be honest. i know people a lot older than them who have done this themselves. for example: me doing it in close proximity to my parents, my mate doing in class during the lesson with the teacer there, another mate and his gf doing it whilst someone was sat on the edge of the bed, again another mate was doing it with 6 of us in the same room, and 2 of those doing stuff themselves. and these are all mature people. it just boiled down to the fact that they enjoy it, they wanted to do it, and so they did. nothing more, nothing less.

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A sign of immaturity is feeling that the world revolves around YOU and that you can do whatever you want... have fun..whatever.. w/ no regard to the feelings of other people around you!

They might be mature enough to enjoy sex and think its fun...but are they able to handle the consequences that go along w/ it??? Are they willing to spend their allowance on condoms instead of a new video game?? What about when the worst happens and then their parents have the burden of raising 2 "kids". Maturity and mental developement means you think before you act.
Of course all adults do stupid things too... everyone does...but some things are just OBVIOUS! lol

Its one thing for older teenagers to sneak around behind there parents backs... or 2 couples to be fooling around in the same room. I still think its disrespectful and immature to force a situation on somonelse. My best friend this did a few times w/ her b/f in the back seat while another person was driving and I was in the front seat. At the time she was on X... and I was feeling EXTREMELY uncomfortable and had a lot less respect for her. She later apologized for making me feel that way and allowing herself to lose control in a situation.

Besides... what kind of person is just sitting in what? 6th grade... and the teacher leaves the room and these kids think...hey! lets have sex?!? That's about as smart as saying...hey! lets smoke this joint!!!
If your brain is even halfway developed you would know this was a stupid idea!! lol
Plus, for arguments sake... lets say these kids were "mature" enough to engage in sex (in the classroom)... what about the other kids?? They were exposed to something that 11yr olds shouldn't have to see. That's like showing them a R/NC17 movie! And yes I know kids are exposed to all sorts of things now a days.... but seeing something on tv/internet... and seeing something happen in real life is different.
And just because kids have access to all of these things doesn't make it right... or mean that its good for them.

Posing a position on "I wanted to do it" is not a valid response, it's most commonly heard among children since they cannot justify their actions and furthers they are strictly acting on their id.

When group sex is happening in the classroom in front of other students, and there is no view of it being inappropriate demonstrates a true lack of understanding of right from wrong. And it exemplifies that some individuals need to mature much more.

This is very similar to disagreeing with a 5 year old.

The mere fact that you posted your opinions with out a substantive basis demonstrates you are not thinking as a 20 year old, and children are not going through puberty at the age of seven. Sorry, that's not happening and I don't see whereas you have a medical degree to contradict my opinion on that.

The fact of having no impulse control and lack the understanding of the consequences of your actions shows you are a child and have a long way to go. What next? Armed robbery was fun, so we should just do it? The reasons you state are the reasons why the age of majority is 18, and adult make the rules and laws.

Sera, I loved that last paragraph. Well put.

I'm more shocked at the fact that there were other students present and forced to watch. It's one thing to sneak into an empty classroom; it's another to subject others that may not want anything to do with it.

Hey scottyv#47 what i mean by justification is that these young girls may think it is fun but what are consequences of these young children having sex! how can an 11 year old deal with these problems.

Searlier on said he delivered and 11 year olds child. THATS BRUTAL. An 11 year old having a child. are her breasts even devoloped enough to breast feed? how can she emotionally deal with this? How are her parents dealing with this? i know if my kids ever do this there wold be some serious consequences!!

And scottyv#47 you said something about maturity and the kids enjoyong it, while of coarse they are going to enjoy it! That does not justify having sex at 11!

In my opinion there may be children that are emotionally mature enough for sex, but we still should not be so liberal when things like this happen!! These kids are tempting fate and not realizing the consequences!

Anyway that is just my opinion

PS: the people saying that these kids are mature enough must not have read that these kids are having sex in classrooms. Now in my logical mind that does not show any kind of maturity!

Even if (somehow) sex was an appropriate action for these children, they should not be participating in it in a classroom. Period. For them to have sex in front of other students is unforgivable. These children need to be taught discipline.

Good point sera

[QUOTE=]speaking from my own experiences i am currently 16 yet think and feel like some one in their early to mid 20's. when i was 11-13 i thought like an 18 year old, as do a lot of people nowadays. [/QUOTE]

LMAO

Sorry, but...how do you come to this conclusion? You have never been older than what you are, so how do you know how an older person thinks? I know this is quite off the subject, but I don't see at all how this can possibly be a logical conclusion and not some assumption of "maturity" on your part.

As far as parents encouraging their children to pursue things that they enjoy or want to do, yes, parents certainly do that; to an extent. No parent would tell their child it was okay to do something just because they wanted to. If that were the case, a parent would never say 'no.' That line of reasoning would work perfectly well with someone who lied, cheated, stole, raped or murdered. They wanted to do it, so they should, right?

Everyone has a right to do what they want; yes. As long as it isn't morally wrong and doesn't hurt anyone (including themselves) in the process.

Like others have pointed out, these children are way too young to understand the consequences of their actions. They can't even afford to buy birth control or condoms, so how would they be able to deal with having a baby? They may, perhaps, understand that sex can sometimes make a baby, but there is no way that they could possibly grasp what that would mean to them. Their parents still make their dinners and drive them to school.

For days now, this thread reminds me of an excerpt from "Lord of the Flies" and the gradual erosion of societal values--kids doing whatever they felt and the destruction of the conch.

I have to say I am actually not shocked as well a) a 11 year old girl got pregant here a few months back maybe even a year now... and b) the uk the age of consent is 16 and when I was younger I have know girls to be doing sexual acts they were not either mature mentally and pshyically (sp?) (I would just like to say I am not one of those girls)

Sex is shown so much now in my opinion we are going back to the middle ages (minus amoung many other things dying young) and having sex young again. I do not agree with it at all! Its glorified, I recently saw a (giving the benifit of the doubt so at oldest) a 12 year old girl wearing a skirt that i seriously have a belt the size of proudly presenting her thong (and i dont mean above the skirt) with her "boob" tube and stillios! ..... I really domt think I need to say anymore other than WRONG and EWWW....

O and I do think the age of consent should be at 17 actaully 18. Many of the kids i knew that we 15/ 16 having sex were definatly not mentally ready for it... ok they got protection it doesnt mean kids are ready. I knew a girl by the time she was 15 had had about 5-8 sexual parters... EWW sure she said it was "fun" but at the end she only did what she thought was "cool" at the time! does that show mental maturity, I dont think so!

Birthing a child at 11 is not unheard of. In one of the hospitals I work for, annually we will get one young lady anywhere between 11-17 who present w/symptoms of abdominal pain or the flu, when helping the patient we notice the small belly and the head of the baby is crowning. Trust me these ladies clothed do not look pregnant. We do not do deliveries nor do we have a labor & delivery floor. The whole time we are doing the delivery we are hoping this child is not born with complications. Not one of us are skilled to do crash c-sections, breech, or cords around the neck deliveries, we have no GYN in house.

The saddest part is the common "I did not know I was pregnant" phrase. Interpreted, they did not want to know they were pregnant and had no prenatal care. Thank God, not one had complications nor poor apgars.

This is ONE point/example when I constantly reiterate of understanding the unintended consequences of actions and behaving as an adult.

Most that i know are not to lucky sweetmomma! I either know or have known 13 girls/women that have had sex before 14!! Out of those 13

4 have been killed before they were 21!! 2 of them by gangs associated with there boyfriends!! ironic
1 died of std's when she was 17
5 are now living the "ghetto" in other words in a crappy enviornment and had children at a young age
2 have lived a semi normal life but are know in a crappy situation and have crappy jobs
1 is doing great. she is the wife of my best friend and had a child when she was 14, and has 4 kids in total. and is planning another. She is a very awsome 28 year old women!!

In my opinion sweetmomma you are very lucky. also i am not trying to be rude but im just letting you know you should be thankful!

Rarely there are happy endings with these situations. Especially when you see the news; child found dead in dumpster or some other horrific occurrence as described by tikteka.

i just think plainly that this is way too young.

16 i feel for a woman is when they are 'mentally' developed though i do not think anyone should be having sex until they are 18.

Think of it in these terms... you have just had a baby daughter and she is out what not. she gets to around the age of 13 and is doing everything a 30 year old should be doing.

Far too young, 13 year olds shouldn't be having sex. they should only be holding hands, having first kisses, going to the movies... having fun with friends. going bowling.. etc etc.

they should not be out getting drunk, having sex. getting pregnant. with 'lovers' who 98% wouldn't end up with when theyre older anyway.

this is my opinion on the matter.

Scotty is suffering from the very common afflication of "I'm-smarter-than-my-parents-itis. One of my dearest friends had sex the first time at 10 or 11 (I met him about 2 years later) with a girl who was 16. He always thought this made him very cool. At seventeen he informaed his mother that he had been having sex for 6 years he knew what he was doing was an adult and she should let him have overnight guests. She did and he had relationships with girls that were much older than him and used this fact to "prove" that he was much more mature than boys our age. (which sadly was true but did not make him an adult) At seventeen his GF got pregnant. She was 22 and informed he shouldn't worry she was going to lket her parents adopt the baby and he was off the hook.

Now at 24, he sees his first time as molestation not a reason to brag, his relationship with his mother is strained at best and he has found out that that child he "was off the hook" for has a pretty ****ty life, but since he was 18 when he signed the adoption papers there is nothing he can do to help his baby.

Believe me no matter how mature you think you are, there will come a day when you look back on your teenage years and go "Dear GOD I was an idiot." And trust that you are very very lucky you weren't ****ing around at 11.

Very Good point nottooblushing!! Kind of the same point i was trying to make!

Like i said before there is no justification for kids at 11 to be having sex, NO JUSTFICATION AT ALL!! they just are not menatally ready.

Eww what kind of 16 yr old has sex w/ a 11 yr old?
I mean they haven't even hit puberty yet?!? Is their penis even big enough then? lol jk

That was pretty crappy of the 22 yr old to just pawn her kid off on her parents... she was young but she was totally old enough to have taken responsibilty and raised it herself...geessh!

I can say from some experience. That sex at a young age, will not only stress or ruin a young life, but can potentialy do the same to the family. My younger brother "knocked up" his girlfriend when they were both 15. After a very stressfull period, they decided to give the child up for adoption. My younger brother now knowing his mistake, has a tattoo on his right arm with his childs name, and her birthday. He did this out of guilt. Knowing someday that little girl is going to come looking for him, and he can only say that he did something stupid. For the rest of the family, we know we have a grandchild and neice growing up with a different family. and we cant go and say, "hi, im your uncle"

readyness is not only physical, its also emotional and rational. you need to be able to see what affects this is not only having on yourself, but affects its having on others. 11 is wayyy tooo damn young, the child is still in that selfish state. the world has to revolve around them.

http://www.star-telegram.com/229/story/71145.html

It's a freaking epidemic. Come on how hard is it to keep your pants on during class? I have a friend who is a middle school teacher and she teaches the kids with learning disabilities and she has had issues. But at least her kids sneak to the teacher lounge bathroom.

Yes this is a problem. I know because I was part of the problem, however I do not feel like going in to details about it. It is still too painful for me.

I work next to a junior high, and twice a day they come in, before and after school, thinking they're all just a bunch of little bad asses who know everything and cannot be stopped. Kids don't seem to have any respect or discipline anymore, let alone self control. What happened to the parents? What happened to morals?

I believe what has happened is many parents have stopped trying to spend time with they're kids. As generations have passed, parents seem to have gotten more selfish and more careless of what they do and who they effect, even if it's their own kids (and no, I'm not saying all parents.) For instance, my mother was not ready to have me, though she was 21. My grandparents raised me all of my life, a whole 21 years, and I have to say, they did a good job. Yet my mother continued to drink, party, do drugs and put guys and sex before her child.

Also, television, movies and music do not help. Sex sells and those industries are cold to how it affects people, as long as they make their millions. And kids, being as naive as they are, think that it's cool. They think that if their idol can do it, so can they and this makes them "mature" regardless if they really are or not, and chances are great that they are not mature.. not even close.

Then, there's also the fact that so many people regret their first time. Almost every person I know regrets their first time, and guess what.. majority of them were all younger than 16!! There are some that have even had sex for the first time after 16, and they still regret it!

[QUOTE=sera300;173846]The one thought I had after I read this and posted, I wondered how many of these kids lived there through Katrina and if Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome will be a plausible defense for their actions. Kids manifest stress through various different actions, some of them are really out there too.

I also noticed the reporter did not get into the specific acts being performed, I wonder if they were masterbating since no result of the finding suggested one had to be taken to the local hospital for care (meaning a rape kit).[/QUOTE]

2 or 3 days later, with who knows how many showers is a little late for an RK.

I was definitely shocked when i read this long ago on the papers. There's definitely no justification for what the children did. At 11 yo, they are jus beginning to live their life. They can't bear such consequences of such actions. I don't think they really know what the consequences are. I wonder how the kids got influenced from. The parents do play a very important role here in the kids are bringing. Most is said by other members in this thread already.

It worries me, even in asian countries where it used to uptight and stuff is beginning to be so casual. The age kids first have sex is getting lower and lower. They are even some adults who rape children who are as young as 11 or 12. It's really scary what the world have become sometimes.

[QUOTE=Clouded;177796]I was definitely shocked when i read this long ago on the papers. There's definitely no justification for what the children did. At 11 yo, they are jus beginning to live their life. They can't bear such consequences of such actions. I don't think they really know what the consequences are. I wonder how the kids got influenced from. The parents do play a very important role here in the kids are bringing. Most is said by other members in this thread already.

It worries me, even in asian countries where it used to uptight and stuff is beginning to be so casual. The age kids first have sex is getting lower and lower. They are even some adults who rape children who are as young as 11 or 12. It's really scary what the world have become sometimes.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about, how the world has "become"? You don't think little kids having sex or rape occured in the "old days"? Back in the middle ages? Before that? If anything, the world has become LESS debaucherized (I know thats not a word) because of all the laws and the lovely shame and inhibitions thanks to the spread of Christianity like the plague. "Back in the day" would probably fry your brain if you think 12 year olds doin the nasty is horrible

There is nothing new under the sun. Nothing new is happening. You just think its worse than 50 years ago because you are living it, not just hearing about it.

Lol..i apologize for my poor sentence structure..wasn't really thinking properly..i guess what you say is true..but some parents are not carrying their responsibilities well nowadays..they don't spend enough time with their children..

things are getting worse because the whole of society is going to pot we are all worrying more about money and greed to stop and think about what really matters now

Scott, you sound assume kids know what they want at early ages.
I always wanted a firearm when I was 10, do you think I should have gotten it?

A good reason why we shouldn't allow kids to have sex at early ages is so they don't do anything stupid that they'll regret doing later.

Bah... didn't see the next three pages of stuff...

Scott, you also assume society is always progressing positively in all manners.
e.g. A growing lower class, and lower middle class, with people unable to leave the lower class because of increasing inflation, less than adequate minimum wage jobs, etc... sound familiar to you?

What I want to know, about the original article, is WHY there was no teacher or other adult in this classroom to watch over the kids during this time!?

I'm not quite sure how I feel about the kids getting punished/whether they knew better or not/etc. but I absolutely do think that some adult who should have been watching these kids should be in trouble as well...

No kids should ever be left alone in a classroom, ever. From my own experience just in high school, any time a teacher was late or stepped out of the classroom for a few minutes, something happened that wouldn't have happened if the teacher was there. Whether it was stealing/cheating/fighting/SMOKING POT/making out/whatever... I just don't see any reason to excuse the person who was supposed to be watching these kids, from their neglectful actions.

As for the kids... I don't even want to think about that part of it.

[QUOTE=scottyv#47;174040]again people are saying they are not emotionally ready. do you know them personally, do you know their interests, do you know their past, the way they think. the answer is no. only 1 person does and thats those kids. i could argue my case all day as im sure you all could however im not going to change my opinon as im sure you wont change yous. so i guess we are just going to have to agree that we disagree.[/QUOTE]

i have to agree, i mean, there was someone on here who posted that these kids "didn't know right from wrong" well if that's the case then is it wrong to have sex? it's natural, it's a part of nature, i know it's kinda young but at the same time, who is to say what age you can do it at? if you want to wait till your 33 to have sex, ok, if you want to have it at 13, well that's your choice. just because sex at a young age is frowned upon in this society doesn't mean it's wrong. just means that if you do it a lot of people will get mad at you. it's stupid really, i mean, how many other cultures do we have in this world and what age do they start having sex? i get that we are supposed to be "civilized" and all that but if they know what to do with their bits and pieces and if they WANT to, then that is consent and they should be able to do it without everyone jumping on them. now i don't agree with the fact that they did it in the room of other kids because THEY might not know what to do and they might want to keep their innocence but as for them having sex, i say if they think they are ready, they should. sex shouldn't be a big uncomfortable secret, it should be something that is openly talked about and accepted. what i don't understand is that if everyone thinks sex is bad, then why do they still do it? if it's bad to do it at a young age does that mean it's bad to do it at any age? live by your own rules and let people live by theirs. if they think it's ok, who's to stop them? besides that, they are going to do it weather you like it or not. might as well get over it and accept it.