(posted by moderator on behalf of Brandye)
There have been constant, and recently frequent, questions from women regarding knowing when they have orgasms. Men seem to be asking how they can know. The problem is very real because orgasms never just happen with women. Young men learn what an orgasm is because they awaken making a pool of semen on their sheets. The response of men is apparent: Penis enlarges, glans swell and turn purple; ejaculate goes everywhere and the penis softens. We women have every bit as much, and more, going on “down there” (and everywhere else); it just is not apparent.
The first time I took a penis into me I knew more about what it was going to do than I knew about what parts of me would be doing. This was inspite of the fact that I had been masturbating to orgasm for nearly two years. I was just not aware of what should be happening. So, let’s go through what our female body will be doing from initial interest through and following our reaching a climax. We will focus on the physiological response with little side trips into the psychological.
We are each so individual, and different from time to time, that inexperienced men may be doing the wrong thing to excite us because it “worked last time.” We may do the same for ourselves. Some women are indifferent to breast stimulation; others can come close or even reach orgasm through breast play. My right nipple seems wired directly to my clitoris; the longer attention is paid to my breasts, the faster my response later.
The first measurable sign of sexual arousal is the appearance of increased lubrication on the vaginal walls. Even thinking about sex can cause this to happen and measurement with inserted sensors indicates that this occurs several times a day. During lead-in to expected sex, this lubrication is greater and can leave spots in your panties or even dampen your pubic hair. The vagina is preparing to receive a penis.
The entire lower pelvis becomes engorged with blood. This is a similar response to the penis becoming erect. This actually moves things around and reshapes them a bit. The visible part is a distention of the vaginal lips with a visible opening of the inner lips. What is not visible is that the vagina is lengthening, the uterus is expanding and a little platform forms in the lower third of the vagina. This is the part of you that encircles and holds the penis while you await the little deposit that is coming (or being caught in a condom). Some man-woman combinations place this “orgasmic platform” right around the thickest part of the penis. This can be very pleasurable for your partner but may bring him off a bit quicker. Because the vaginal walls contain no nerve endings, you have only gross tactile sensation and this can feel good to you, also. It gives a real sense of movement and depth inside you. The clitoris, in the middle stages of arousal will also swell and may actually peek out from under its hood. When masturbating, you can control the pressure that is directly on the clitoris; inexperienced men may tend to treat it like a miniature penis. This can cause an immediate turn off. What is typically wanted is not friction on the clitoris but, rather, movement of the hood that, in turn, rubs against the shaft of your clitoris. When using a vibrator at this point you are enjoying vibration not directly on the clitoris but transmitted through the various layers of lips and hood. Many women using very powerful vibrators find it necessary to use a folded towel to control the intensity of clitoral stimulation. Others, such as I, simply spread our fingers and put the pressure onto the sides of the vulva and let the vibrations be transmitted from there. A squeezing-releasing motion laterally can be very pleasurable.
As arousal continues, the nipples in many women will become erect and a mask will appear. On some women this will be a raccoon mask on the face; on others, this will appear on the neck or upper chest above the breasts. The entire body begins to tense. While this is most noticeable in the pelvic region, many women will arch their heads back, grasp the sheets, grimace, curl their toes. In short, their entire body is becoming involved. Within the pelvic or genital area, all the muscles participate in this “myotonia.” The rectal sphincters, the pc muscle (focus of Kegel exercise), the vaginal sphincters, the uterus itself. Perhaps most misunderstood, especially by partners, is the clitoris now retracts completely under its hood and seemingly disappears. This is often taken as meaning the process is not working. Actually, it means the process is working very well and the clitoris is protecting itself from too much stimulation.
The average clitoris is about one centimeter long – less than half an inch – compared to the average penis of 13 centimeters – 6.1 inches – but contains almost all the same nerves! SENSITIVE!!! This is the wrong time for a partner to really go after it! With fingers, on the vulva beside; with a tongue, flip over the surface rapidly; with a penis, it depends upon the geometry of the people involved. At this point, getting the other tensing muscles more involved is a better practice. Rotating a finger around the inside of the outer vagina further excites those muscles; slight penetration and rotation in the anus gets the strongest muscles around more involved.
At this point, only some major distraction will prevent orgasm. We women have nothing like the male’s point of no return. At some point up to twenty seconds before ejaculation, that becomes inevitable. Our orgasm can be disturbed right up to the point we begin to contract. A ringing doorbell or crying baby are often cited but the greatest distractions are caused by inexperienced partners. Hitting the clitoris; jamming too hard in the anus; pulling a hair; for some of us not grabbing a nipple and for others, pinching a nipple. Our orgasms are worked for and easily discarded. I had one partner years ago whose climax was hastened and made better by pinching her nipples – hard. If I did not, she would. Do that to me and it would be all over in a sobbing breakdown.
OK, so what is the orgasm? The orgasm is simply the rapid release of all the tension that has been building in all the muscles. This usually comes in a wave of spasms that encompass the entire body. It is most noticeable in the pelvic muscles. The anal sphincters pump (Eva thought I had broken her finger last night); the uterus pumps. Movies have been made inside the vagina showing the uterus squirting out menstrual juices during orgasm. Sometimes we urinate a little as a result ; sometimes we pass gas. These spasms can encompass the whole body with thrashing and pounding and scratching our partners back – all involuntary - or they can be slight flutters felt only in the genitals. We women never have the same orgasm twice because different parts of our bodies are involved. We, unlike men, prefer whatever stimulation is working to continue – that keeps the orgasm going longer with perhaps twelve or more spasms. Men tend to prefer a deep thrust and stillness as they pump out their ejaculate.
We women have no need for a recovery period as do men and we are entirely capable of moving right into another cycle of response. Mostly we are satisfied at this point and want no more stimulation – we want to cuddle. This leads us to the resolution phase when everything we have just described reverses itself. We relax, perhaps completely as we ever can; our blood leaves the pelvis and returns to doing its work elsewhere. We typically enter a period of extreme peace and calm. Many of us are most receptive to accepting a penis at this point. Immediately after orgasm we are relaxed and so at peace that we simply want to enjoy the passing of a penis back and forth over our disappearing orgasmic platform. I have had partners tell me that the sooner they enter me after my orgasm the more welcoming, warm and receptive it feels. Others have told me that, when in position, even taking them into my mouth feels different, more demanding, more welcoming. As a young woman I had a real gag response to accepting ejaculate orally but this was never a problem right after my orgasm. Receptive is what many women report at the beginning of the resolution phase.
Those are the basics. The questions on this board about G-Spot, female ejaculation, Tantric Sex are generally misplaced. They can be great for those who are well practiced, knowledgeable and ready to spice up their sex lives. But a few years of basic preparation is required. Masturbation, with or without vibrator, is the best training experience for women’s orgasm. The learning the basics of what you wants and does not want from a partner becomes important. Until the basic, old-fashioned clitoral orgasm is mastered (mistressed?), the fancy stuff is not worth the diversion.
WOW! Thank you for such a detailed reply! It's nice to know it's a normal thing to happen. (Not that if it wasn't normal I'd be complaining, lol)
Interesting issue. Males clearly have wet dreams with evidence that something occurred - a spot on the sheet. We women tend to not have sexual dreams all the way to orgasm. Both men and women usually awaken for the orgasm. We women will often awaken in an aroused state and have the option finishing ourselves. I usually do.
The completely spontaneous orgasm in wome is much less frequent but not unknown. At some level you were haing a sexual dream or hidden fantasy that you were not aware of in that nether worl between awake and asleep. I have awakened on the verge of orgasm but not with an actual orgasm. I almost envy you!
Men have a physiological reason for wet dreams. The excess of semen and sperm that builds up in the male system is usually reabsobed into the body. When there is too much for reabsorbing, a spontaneous ejaculation occurs. We women have no such physiological necessity, so our spontaneous release is a result of psychological factors. Some deep memories whether consciously or not cause us to experience orgasm. Romantic thoughts trigger mine rather overtly sexual thoughts.
This is clearly a long time thing. In the ancients, spontaneous orgasm in women was blamed on an "incubus" - a male spirit that lurked and had intercourse with sleeping women. He/it disappeared as consciousness returned. The analagous cause of men's wet dreams was a "succubus." This was a way to attribute sexual response to an outside cause ("creature") so that no one had to admit to being sexually aroused spontaneously.
Your "condition" is quite normal and longstanding. Enjoy!
Hi, I was told the chick chat maybe the right place to ask this question. It's not about squirting , but it is about female orgasims. Once in a while while I am in a state of sleep half way between awake and asleep, I will orgasim. I am not dreaming about anything sexual nor am I touching myself. It's not that I mind when this happens ;) I actually enjoy! I was wondering if any1 knows why or how this happens or if it has happened to any1 else! TY
I have never squirted but have seen the clips on line. I think when a woman is pleasing herself and does this is it urine. The only thing I know for sure is the lube process. This is natural with women. Sex prevents this from happening but toys and other things do not. Just my point of view.
This is a rare and controversial issue. It happens in a few of us but most of us do not ejaculate. In some cases, this is simply leaked urine. In other cases it seems to be secretions for the Bartholin Glans. Many doctors swear it happens and an equal numer think it is bogus.
What you see in porn movies is not necessarily reality. Many men seem to be hung up on the G-Spot and/or making the g/f squirt. Enjoy sex. If these things happen, fine.
I have heard about a thing called "squirting" when a woman comes. I have seen it happen, not firsthand but in movies. My boyfriend says his ex wife used to. I am wondering if there is a way to make it "squirt" or if the body just does it. Maybe it depends on the intensity of the orgasm, I don't know, I guess that is why I'm asking about it. The initial question I suppose is HOW does the body do that? It is amazing to me to watch and I would like to learn if possible.
I have a lot of trouble being aroused at the right times. For example, my boyfriend rides bulls (in rodeos) and I'm more aroused watching him ride the bull than when we are being intimate or about to have sex. I know that this isn't a "problem" persay, but it would be really nice to honestly be able to tell him that I am really into it. Could this also be the reason that I've never orgasmed? I usually have to fake it.
Up to 20% of all women have this issue commonly; probably half of us experience it during different periods of our lives. It would be very difficult to reach the point of sexual tension that causes orgasm if you are not really interested, sexually. I am assuming that your "never orgasmed" refers to with him. If you have reached orgasm with other partners or by yourself, you know everything is working. That leaves you with perhaps being more in love with him in a isterly fashion rather than a lover fashion. Do you have other loves (infatuations, parnters) to compare this with or is he your first and only? What are your fantasies during masturbation?
He may be a great guy but really does not ring your chimes sexually. This does not make him a good or bad lover; it simply raises the question of whether or not the right chemistry is there. Are you more interested in his thrilling (and slightly dangerous) lifestyle than you are in him as a person or lavoer?
Most of us fake it once in a while. The problem with habitually faking it, is that he develops an expectation that you climax easily and will take no extra care in helping you. You put yourself in a box of not getting what you need but giving hte message that everything is going fine.
You need to talk this one out with a trusted girlfriend and figure out what he really means to you. And if you hang around, come clean with him and see if you cannot reach a better accommodation sexually.
I tried what was said here and i can't even make myself orgasm. I was in a really good mood and thought it was great advise and that i would actually orgasm.. but no orgasm and by 30 minutes i was really dry. I was using my fingers around my clitoris and a vibrator. Really getting to me now. Why can't i even make myself orgasm?! :(
i think i may have posted this in a different topic, but i think it may be more fitting here (and a little different).
i'm just curious as to a few "statistics" (not necessarily acurate, but close) about when is the average age (or how long of experience) where women will achieve their first orgasm? how common (or uncommon) is it to have multiple orgasms?
I have the same problem Senorita, maybe like me you try too hard? I was told that if you think about having an orgasm while masturbating you won't get there....maybe thats the problem for us both?
I have this issue as well.
I have NEVER been able to orgasm, and I've been sexually active for 7 years, and had some pretty attentive partners who tried their hardest. Not to mention my own attempts, manually, as well as toy-assisted. i reach a plateau of pleasure and then it just goes downhill from there. I dont make it a goal or put lots of pressure on achieving it. But it sure would be nice one of these days.
Not only is it annoying for me, but it takes a toll on my partner as well, making them think they can't please me. Although I reassure them that they certainly do. I've read numerous books on female sexual disorder, all of them seem to chock it up to women being too timid to try masterbation, or because of botched surgeries or a mentality that leaves them ashamed about sex.
None of which applies to me. Ive read the statistics, which often vary, saying that anywhere from 1/4th to 3/4ths of women will never experience orgasm. Now, that is really depressing. With so much attention paid to men's sexual disorders, and the viagra craze.. its a real shame no one has come up with a remedy for women who are suffering silently.
someone help!
First, Orchid: Most orgasmic women seem to have experienced the first orgasm in the early teens while masturbating. Multiple orgasms are probably less common than we are led to believe. We are all capable but often are not that interested. A woman can be satisfied without being satiated and that is where most of us stop. I never masturbate to multiple orgasms. I have had the experience with others – more commonly with women than men. There is a relationship between how early women begin to masturbate and their later sexual satisfaction. Roughly, the earlier, the better.
About a quarter of us never achieve orgasm; about half (I am in this group) do not achieve orgasm by penile thrusting; and that means about a quarter of us climax through penile thrusting as men want us to. That is their problem, not ours. For women, the brain is the most important sex organ. It is not the mechanics of sex so much as the romanticized view of sex that results in complete response. Once physical factors are excluded by a gyn exam, sex therapists will begin more with the imagination (fantasy) than with mechanical factors. An intense focus on the orgasm, alone, seems to inhibit orgasm.
The orgasm is actually a release of myotonia – muscles become extremely tense as we build up and the climax is the release of this tension. A combination of what we are expecting, what we are fantasizing and what physical stimulation leads to this tension. Once a woman experiences orgasm, subsequent orgasms are easier to achieve – we know what we are looking for.
All women are capable but some of us are inhibited for whatever reason. Many simply give up and accept a life without sexual response. I have had one patient who experienced her first orgasm in her fifties; a few who have experienced orgasm in their thirties after a few births. It is not uncommon for non-orgasmic women to experience orgasm after giving birth.
Those of us who learned through masturbation are generally able to transfer this response to sex with a partner. I was unable to with men; it was only after a few relationships with other women that I became able to respond with a man. Each step was learning what I needed and wanted.
There is no simple answer but the inability to fantasize is a recurring theme among non-orgasmic women. Perhaps we should practice more fantasy without a sexual focus. I would recommend that any non-orgasmic, mature woman have a complete gyn exam and ask for reference to a woman sex therapist. Yes, I am biased but believe that women can help more than men in this therapeutic setting. We can but sometimes require extraordinary steps to attain.
I orgasm in the most boring way and most of the time I wish I could do better. I do become extremely tense, build up and then get VERY relaxed afterwards but it's just not what I expected out of "an orgasm". I've been mastrubating since I can remember and yeah it feels good but I don't get very intense orgasms. I've gotten a few really good ones when my hubby and I work for it but even still I can feel my muscles all tensed up and in a few minutes I feel like jello but there just isn't any extreme pleasure from it. I don't get it.
I can also "squirt" if I work with a vibrator. I've done it twice, it feels like peeing except it doesn't smell anything like pee.
Try fantasizing freely while stimulating your clit. If you feel uncomfortable with your sexual fantasy, don't censor yourelf or move away from it.. Follow your fantasy to any forbidden or dark place it takes you. The fantasies that make me orgasm are unspeakable. And they work every time.
[quote=Poppy47;193224]I have a similar question to those that were already asked, but with slight variations. I have never been able to orgasm, either with a partner or alone. I come very close, but just as I get to the point where I think I will orgasm, I have a quick, strong, pulsing sensation in my vaginal area that is very uncomfortable. It only lasts a second or two and then I become over sensitive to the point where it hurts to touch the clitoris. Immediately after this strange sensation I have to remove all contact from the area and I lose all interest in sexual activity.
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Please read through this post & the threads...you might need less direct pressure. http://www.sexinfo101.com/forum/new_sex/19803-for_women_only-_help_why_c...
I have a similar question to those that were already asked, but with slight variations. I have never been able to orgasm, either with a partner or alone. I come very close, but just as I get to the point where I think I will orgasm, I have a quick, strong, pulsing sensation in my vaginal area that is very uncomfortable. It only lasts a second or two and then I become over sensitive to the point where it hurts to touch the clitoris. Immediately after this strange sensation I have to remove all contact from the area and I lose all interest in sexual activity.
This can't possibly be an orgasm, can it? It doesn't feel good at all- in fact it is quite unenjoyable. The moments leading up to this point feel great but as soon as I hit that plateau everything comes to a screeching halt.
Can this sensation (the quick, strong shocking sensation) be a possible nerve problem? Any other ideas for what it is, what's causing it, or how to stop it are welcomed.
Here are two additional articles that may be of help.
The Anatomy of the Female "O", Answered by Brandye & Dancingdoc2 & Inspired by Godiva
For Women Only- Help! Why Can't He Make Me Orgasm?
Poppy,
That is likely an orgasm - in its present form for you. You can learn to control this. I would recommend that you seek out a qualified, female sex therapist. Most of us have a similar reaction sometimes. The sstimulation is just too intense and we lose the good response.
It is possible that easing off in pace or pressure as you approach will help. The clitoris actually does react into our bodies as orgasm approaches to protect itself. Men, commonly, go digging after it or we sometimes overdo it for ourselves at this point. Try clitical.com for alternative masturbation techniques but if this has been going on for long, you may find it more useful to ask a therapist what can be done.
Thanks to you both for your responses.
i've been reading through these forums, and i really like the responses from most people. they're educationally well. :)
anyways, i'm an 18 yr old female, and can hardly get sexually aroused... like, at all. i have to go a couple weeks without having sex just to feel a little sensation down there. but, when i was yonger, in like 7th and 8th grade, my sexual arousals came sudden, and very very strong. at first i had no clue what it was, i thought something was wrong, but never got the courage to ask anyone about it because i felt embarrassed. later i learned it was sexual arousal.
it only lasted two years though :( as soon as i hit my frist year of highschool, i only got really aroused one time, and it was the first time i did anything sexually with my long term bf at the time. as the years have gone by, it's been dying more every day it seems. i can still orgasm, but i have to use a stronger vibrator, and it takes forever. like, i have to force it for me to feel much now. and i have to think about things that arent very good, that make me really depressed and sad after i've hit that O. and i can't tell my boyfriend about what gets me off when i masturbate because he'll break up with me in a heart beat. (he had sexual traumas when he was very very young. :( ) our sex is great, and very very passionate. when i think about rough sex it turns me on sometimes, a very little bit and goes away, so sometimes i want to ask him to try it to see my body's response to it. but, he's not into rough sex, at all.
anyways, i've never been to a gyno, and i know that i really really need to go, because i was told that once ur sexually involved to start seeing one, but right now i'm financially not in the position to go.
is there any way to get arousal back? is there such thing as a similar thing to viagra? and health-wise, is it bad to have lost sexual arousal at such a young age? (like medically would it mean something's wrong?) if anyone has dealt with this issue, is it reversable? :confused:
thanks. =]
[quote=skeletonising;207363]i've been reading through these forums, and i really like the responses from most people. they're educationally well. :)
anyways, i'm an 18 yr old female, and can hardly get sexually aroused... like, at all. i have to go a couple weeks without having sex just to feel a little sensation down there. but, when i was yonger, in like 7th and 8th grade, my sexual arousals came sudden, and very very strong. at first i had no clue what it was, i thought something was wrong, but never got the courage to ask anyone about it because i felt embarrassed. later i learned it was sexual arousal.
it only lasted two years though as soon as i hit my frist year of highschool, i only got really aroused one time, and it was the first time i did anything sexually with my long term bf at the time. as the years have gone by, it's been dying more every day it seems. i can still orgasm, but i have to use a stronger vibrator, and it takes forever. like, i have to force it for me to feel much now. and i have to think about things that arent very good, that make me really depressed and sad after i've hit that O. and i can't tell my boyfriend about what gets me off when i masturbate because he'll break up with me in a heart beat. (he had sexual traumas when he was very very young. :( ) our sex is great, and very very passionate. when i think about rough sex it turns me on sometimes, a very little bit and goes away, so sometimes i want to ask him to try it to see my body's response to it. but, he's not into rough sex, at all.
anyways, i've never been to a gyno, and i know that i really really need to go, because i was told that once ur sexually involved to start seeing one, but right now i'm financially not in the position to go.
is there any way to get arousal back? is there such thing as a similar thing to viagra? and health-wise, is it bad to have lost sexual arousal at such a young age? (like medically would it mean something's wrong?) if anyone has dealt with this issue, is it reversable? :confused:
thanks. =][/quote]AFter your last response seeking an honest answer; I'll leave this for another to answer for you.:) Good luck.
Doesn't sound like you've lost anything. You just don't want to do what turns you on for the sake of your b/f. After the last post, this guy gets better each time, no wonder you're hooking up with such an older dude.
This must be fake, I can't imagine this scenario being real.