Ducy, well I used to think so, it's not like I ever told the world or something. I felt weird and like missing out on something that should be so normal and much fun. And I do think it's a part of me that's been blocked by trauma for a long time. I believe I've always been multi-orgasmic, I had just lost the keys to unlock myself.
Since I do enjoy and desire sex now, I don't think asexual would be an appropriate label ;) I don't feel like a piece of me is missing anymore. I do feel that it makes things more difficult, but why focus on that? Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it can't :) The only thing that sometimes bothers me is how I wonder what influence this all has and has had on my relationship and will have on possible other partners in the future.
I agree; labels can be such a nuisance and do more worse than good at times.
[QUOTE=Ducy;274805]You can die having an orgams if you have a bad heart. You can die from childbirth through complications.
You ideals of conception is foolish. Your saying something the human body was designed for is completely wrong. Yes thousands and thousands of years of evolution is WRONG. HA. Humans have ben around for a LOOOOOOONG time. You've been around for...how long? Exactly.
Enjoying a finger doesn't mean you enjoy a penis. If she eats hot dogs does it mean shell enjoy blowwing men? I enjoy flexing and looking at myself in the mirror. Does it make me a narcissist (sp?) No. I do it to see my results and find flaws in my physique. I am currently smitten by a woman who lifts weights. In fact she squats 2 times her bodyweight. Does this mean she is going to compete in a powelifting meet? No. Just because some does or enjoys something doesn't mean that it will directly correlate to something else. Heavy weights doesn't equal powerlifting. Flexing doesn't equal nacissism. Hot dogs don't equal blow jobs. Fingers don't equal dicks. If that's the case then I'm soy about the dicks you have seen in life.[/QUOTE]
yes, human beings are able to reproduce. But Nature wasn't in good shape when She decided how babies should have been born.
Eating an hot dog and having ORAL SEX with a dildo is quite different.
And I have never seen a dick in my life and I don't want to.
Just a question, can I post pictures of sex toys? In the posting guidelines there's nothing about it and I'm afraid to go against the rules of the forum.
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;274816]"Nature wasn't in good shape when she decided how babies were born?"
You are out of your mind! Nothing decided anything. If it worked, it stayed; if it didn't work, it went. It is EVOLUTION and it isn't kind or pretty. Women with wider hips lived while women with narrow hips died a writhing death in childbirth - usually along with the child.
What are you trying to validate in this thread? Your statements are all over the place trying to decide if someone is a "real lesbian" - as if anyone cares - or not. You like dildos? Fine. You don't like dildos? Fine. You like rotating anti-cyclonaically every alternate Thursday? Fine. You don't? Fine.
What - the #%#$ - ever!
You're okay as you are, if a bit nutty.
Relax and stop trying to put other people into little labeled boxes.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I just wanted to say that childbirth is not easy. That's all
I'm not trying to DECIDE who's lesbian: their actions show what they really are.
The fact that lesbians love penis it's something new to me. It's so silly of me, but I thought lesbians loved vulva.
"Nature wasn't in good shape when she decided how babies were born?"
You are out of your mind! Nothing decided anything. If it worked, it stayed; if it didn't work, it went. It is EVOLUTION and it isn't kind or pretty. Women with wider hips lived while women with narrow hips died a writhing death in childbirth - usually along with the child.
What are you trying to validate in this thread? Your statements are all over the place trying to decide if someone is a "real lesbian" - as if anyone cares - or not. You like dildos? Fine. You don't like dildos? Fine. You like rotating anti-cyclonaically every alternate Thursday? Fine. You don't? Fine.
What - the #%#$ - ever!
You're okay as you are, if a bit nutty.
Relax and stop trying to put other people into little labeled boxes.
A LESBIAN loves WOMEN, not vulvas - those just come as part of the package. People love people, not the "packaging". Now your posting of the shaven vulva, ala gynecological textbook, leads me to believe that you have NOT embraced your sexuality - those who have do not resort to such cheap tricks and sensationalisms.
I knew Kasparova, indeed many of her, in a previous lifetime. When I arrived at university I suspected that I was lesbian and was attracted to the campus feminism cum lesbian group. The leader "chose" me, we became an item and I was central to all the activities. Their words, beliefs, slogans and outlook on males were all the same as are being expressed here. It is surprising how many of the group went on to become successful wives, mothers, professionals and rather normal women with no particular negative feelings towards men.
Kas' intense objection to any form of penetration indicates to me a fear of something rather than a love of something. She also has her self-identity, not just her sexual identity, closely clutched between her thighs not realizing, as Evil points out, that love is not directed at the vulva, or any body part, but to a person. A whole person with head and arms and legs and hair and hair and thoughts and, if animate, some form of genitalia, some means of participating in reproduction.
Such intense "dislike" ("I have never seen .... and don't want to") of a penis is driven by something. Yes, I heard exactly that in the lesbian group at university even from some women who I learned later were not virgin. Few of us were. And when the dear leader dumped me, "just like man," I went on a sexual tear trying to screw every man on campus (almost made it!) to prove that I was "not one of them." I had gone from one sickness to another and neither was really myself. Not a few of my friends from those days went through something similar.
Kas may undergo some change with maturity or she may be a man-hater (fearer) all her life. The whole point is that militant lesbians often sound like her. No need to correct her or try to change her. That cannot be done on a website.
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;274827]A LESBIAN loves WOMEN, not vulvas - those just come as part of the package. People love people, not the "packaging". Now your posting of the shaven vulva, ala gynecological textbook, leads me to believe that you have NOT embraced your sexuality - those who have do not resort to such cheap tricks and sensationalisms.[/QUOTE]
So a lesbian or a straight man could love a transexual man, with a female aspect but with a penis?
[QUOTE=Brandye;274828]I knew Kasparova, indeed many of her, in a previous lifetime. When I arrived at university I suspected that I was lesbian and was attracted to the campus feminism cum lesbian group. The leader "chose" me, we became an item and I was central to all the activities. Their words, beliefs, slogans and outlook on males were all the same as are being expressed here. It is surprising how many of the group went on to become successful wives, mothers, professionals and rather normal women with no particular negative feelings towards men.
Kas' intense objection to any form of penetration indicates to me a fear of something rather than a love of something. She also has her self-identity, not just her sexual identity, closely clutched between her thighs not realizing, as Evil points out, that love is not directed at the vulva, or any body part, but to a person. A whole person with head and arms and legs and hair and hair and thoughts and, if animate, some form of genitalia, some means of participating in reproduction.
Such intense "dislike" ("I have never seen .... and don't want to") of a penis is driven by something. Yes, I heard exactly that in the lesbian group at university even from some women who I learned later were not virgin. Few of us were. And when the dear leader dumped me, "just like man," I went on a sexual tear trying to screw every man on campus (almost made it!) to prove that I was "not one of them." I had gone from one sickness to another and neither was really myself. Not a few of my friends from those days went through something similar.
Kas may undergo some change with maturity or she may be a man-hater (fearer) all her life. The whole point is that militant lesbians often sound like her. No need to correct her or try to change her. That cannot be done on a website.[/QUOTE]
Brandye I'm 24 years old. I am an adult woman.
I'm not a man-hater. If I hated men I would have said that; I hate autumn because I think it's a depressive season. I hate television because I find it stupid. I hate religoius fundamentalism because it is based on a wrong idea of religion. But I don't hate men. Men are friends; my best discussions about cinema, art, life, philosophy were with men. They have never hurt me so I don't understand the reason why I am supposed to hate them. And I strongly believe that in the process of emancipation of women, men MUST be involved; and many of them are militant feminists and the first to say that male chauvinism is a scourge to eliminate. I don't like penis, not men.
I love the body of a woman with all her female bodyparts: tits and so on...
I don't like moustache, beard, chest hair and PENIS. That's why I don't like dildos and penetration of any kind.
If you like both men and women I'm very happy for you; as Woody Allen said: "bisexuality doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night"! (It's only a joke, don't get angry;))
I only want to underline the contradiction of women who like penis but define themselves lesbians. It's something I don't understand.
What's there not to understand about this? They like dildos. You don't. Just because they like to use some toy doesn't mean they're attracted to men. Human sexuality is a big gray area but that's beside the point. The real question here is why you feel so compelled to point out the "contradiction" among lesbians with they're use of dildos.
I'm not sure if you're really a man hater or a militant lesbian as some of the other posters have pointed out but they're definitely some unaddressed issues here.
Kasp, has strong views on this issue and has expressed them as she sees fit.
I dont particularly agree with them but nevertheless that is what she thinks.
What does it matter if a lady wants to use a dilo, what does it matter if a man wants to use a dildo and why should it matter to anyone else what someone thinks of a person who uses a dildo.
Live and let live :):)
Women who use dildos love penis. Women who are not disgusted by penetration, with fingers, tampons etc...are not disgusted by the penis.
These women love something that I can't give to them. In a way I feel betrayed by them.
Why dont' they love what I have? Why they want something that looks like a penis? Because they love it. Because they don't love women only. Because they are not lesbians.
They make me feel like a lack of something. That's why I could never sleep with a bisexual.
[QUOTE=Ducy;274864]You have fingers. They want you to finger them...
How do they want something that you don't have?[/QUOTE]
Ducy, yes I have fingers but they have a CLITORIS. If they want something inside their vaginas, sooner or later, they will want something BIGGER. Because they like the feeling of penetration, because they love penis.
I don't understand why you are telling me that I'm "ignorant" or a "men hater".
[QUOTE=Kasparova;274866]Ducy, yes I have fingers but they have a CLITORIS. If they want something inside their vaginas, sooner or later, they will want something BIGGER. Because they like the feeling of penetration, because they love penis.
I don't understand why you are telling me that I'm "ignorant" or a "men hater".
WHY ALL THIS HATRED???[/QUOTE]
Kasp I think there is a lot of hatred because some of your posts are quite radical and some of the points that you make may hurt some of those reading them.
These are your views and of course you are very much entitled to hold them but often your point is lost because of the language you choose to deliver it. :)
[QUOTE=ludaje;274868]Kasp I think there is a lot of hatred because some of your posts are quite radical and some of the points that you make may hurt some of those reading them.
These are your views and of course you are very much entitled to hold them but often your point is lost because of the language you choose to deliver it. :)[/QUOTE]
Thank you Ludaje. You are the only one who's been kind to me. I think I love you, but not your penis:D:D.
Ok, sorry if I hurt some of you. Can we start again and talk with no feelings of hatred?
You came onto a very open minded forum and started blasting lesbians who like penetration. You tell everyone that it "hurts your feelings" when a woman is gay but likes toys.
Who cares if they have a clitoris? They also have a vaginal canal.
Perhaps there wouldn't be such a problem if you weren't so ignorant in posting. your theoy of "Women aren't gay if they like penetration" is as ignorant as me say "you hate men because you find penis's revolting".
I don't care if you gay, straight, lesbian, bi, transgendered. Do what you want. But don't come here and start telling me what one thing is or isn't. If you said that in YOUR opinion, women who liked penetration are bi, then fine. But you post a thread saying that NO WOMAN IS TRULY LESBIAN IF THY LIKE ANY FORM OF PENETRATION. You also say that a true lesbian doesn't wear tampons and that a finger equals a penis.
Like I said, you came here and put EVERY lesbian woman who likes penetration, and evey straight man who enjoys any form of anal stimulation on blast and said that they were offending you. If your "title" of sexuality is so important than fine. But you are robbing yourself of a great amount of sexual pleasure by denying yourself penetration.
[QUOTE=Kasparova;274869]Thank you Ludaje. You are the only one who's been kind to me. I think I love you, but not your penis:D:D.
Ok, sorry if I hurt some of you. Can we start again and talk with no feelings of hatred?[/QUOTE]
No problem Kasp. It might take a while but people will mellow in their response to you. just keep being nice. ;) and maybe accept the fact that other people have a different view on penetration, sex toys and sexuality :)
Lundjae we can all accept people who have different views. The problem is the presentation or the people who refuse to do likewise and can't accept anyone elses opinion. Such as the "be all end all" "fact" that the op posted.
I was ok with the whole "penetration = penis envy" type of argument you were using for any sexual relations. I mean I'm sure there are plenty of grey areas of lesbianism (although you're arguing it's black and white only) but if you want to be a hardline lesbian with no phallic anything regardless of who's using it then that's fine, it's your choice.
I actually took some time to Google on this debate of penetration for lesbians, because I'm at work and this is far more entertaining than, you know, working. :) I found this example:
Conversely, I tried looking up the equivalent for gay men, but I'm not seeing this whole political side of the argument on the male side. I mean, using your arguments it stands to reason that anal sex between two males is really analogous to penetrative vaginal sex, so they can't be gay only right? If they want to put their penises in tight warm holes, then they're secretly craving vaginas? Why is there such a political charge on the lesbian side, or is that still a carried mentality that came with the whole women's liberation movement?
So yeah, maybe the word "lesbian" has become clouded over the years, if it was ever intended to only mean non-phallic sex. Perhaps you should take upon yourself a new label? Something like "hardline lesbian" or "Orthodox lesbian"? I'm really not being sarcastic on that. The word lesbian seems to be a wide paintbrush hitting lots of different colors these days. Rather than try so hard to be exclusive of these colors, wouldn't it be easier to create your own category and be inclusive?
So I was with you on all that, until you added a little tidbit to one post.
Saying no to tampons? Really? What does that have to do with sex at all, other than it's the same hole? 2 years ago I had the flu so bad that I couldn't take oral medicines, so I had to use a suppository. I didn't "deflower my rectum" putting that in, forever making me a bisexual. I just didn't want to go to the hospital for dehydration. How can using a tampon instead of having a pad of blood taped to your underwear make any possible difference regarding who you have sex with, or how? When you go to the gynecologist and they get out that speculum to take a gander up in there, do you tell him/her no? I mean, isn't that basically the brunt of what a gynecologist is looking at?
Ducy & Firmus, Kasp is from Italy. Therefor your nation's guidelines may not apply when it comes to pelvic exams. Regardless of guidelines, it remains the woman's choice whether she does so or not. I'd like to point out Brandye's thread -she's a physician- to you Kasp, because a conscious decision is a well-informed one: http://www.sexinfo101.com/forum/sexual-health-women/11602-your-first-pel...
I'd also like to add that a friend of mine was told by her physician that women who have never been vaginally penetrated have low risk of cervical cancer, also above 35 years old. So unless there were complaints, there was no need for vaginal exam nor PAP-smear. But: since research among nuns shows that vaginal virgins have higher risk of developing cancer inside the uterus, he did order an ultrasound as part of prevention (all was fine :)). This may be something to remember for you to request, Kasp.
[QUOTE=Ducy;274870]You came onto a very open minded forum and started blasting lesbians who like penetration. You tell everyone that it "hurts your feelings" when a woman is gay but likes toys.
Who cares if they have a clitoris? They also have a vaginal canal.
Perhaps there wouldn't be such a problem if you weren't so ignorant in posting. your theoy of "Women aren't gay if they like penetration" is as ignorant as me say "you hate men because you find penis's revolting".
I don't care if you gay, straight, lesbian, bi, transgendered. Do what you want. But don't come here and start telling me what one thing is or isn't. If you said that in YOUR opinion, women who liked penetration are bi, then fine. But you post a thread saying that NO WOMAN IS TRULY LESBIAN IF THY LIKE ANY FORM OF PENETRATION. You also say that a true lesbian doesn't wear tampons and that a finger equals a penis.
This is madness...
(Insert 300 film quote here)[/QUOTE]
Ducy, I didn't say that "a finger equals a penis". I said that if a woman likes finger penetration she will like a penis too. And why should I use a tampon when there are pads? The blood is supposed to flow out of your body. It shouldn't be trapped in there. But if women like to be penetrated all the time, well, it's their choice. As the famous Latin saying goes: "De gustibus non disputandum est" (one must not dispute about tastes).
Can you give an answer?: do you think that women or men who use dildos, don't like penis?
Many have tried to be kind to you, Kasp. But really; I'm losing your way of thinking more and more... Comparing tampons to the like of penetration? Firmus read my mind, while I thought: what's next; thinking straight and bi women actually like a gyno-exam?!
When it comes to menstruation one way or another that blood needs to be kept from getting into our clothing. And every woman chooses the lesser evil personally. Me: I dislike tampons, but I hate pads for the abrasions they cause on my vulva. Years of experience, particularly when biking to school daily; ouch, ouch, ouch! :(
And don't think of your fingers as less or as if they're miniature penises. That's actually a bit of an insult to our very highly evolved hands! A penis is like a hardness with soft coating, with limited maneuverability. Fingers are more slender, delicate, hard and extremely maneuverable. A penis can't curl up and wave in a "come here"-motion while inside, hitting your g-spot perfectly :rolleyes:. A penis can't use it's tactile senses to find and then accurately stimulate. With skill he may attempt, but no matter what; the structure of the penis will not be the same as fingers. As a woman who likes both; it's a very different sensation. It's like saying: I like cake and icecream. Both to me are very delicious, but surely not the same. And I would much understand that a woman would like one (fingers) and not another (penis).
[QUOTE=RedRoses;274884]Many have tried to be kind to you, Kasp. But really; I'm losing your way of thinking more and more... Comparing tampons to the like of penetration? Firmus read my mind, while I thought: what's next; thinking straight and bi women actually like a gyno-exam?!
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It's because we're geniuses. :)
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A penis can't curl up and wave in a "come here"-motion while inside, hitting your g-spot perfectly :rolleyes:. [/QUOTE]
Sure they can, you just have to be lucky like some of us and have a prehensile penis. :)
Sadly I'm kidding, but that would be weird as hell but not unheard of in nature.
I was ok with the whole "penetration = penis envy" type of argument you were using for any sexual relations. I mean I'm sure there are plenty of grey areas of lesbianism (although you're arguing it's black and white only) but if you want to be a hardline lesbian with no phallic anything regardless of who's using it then that's fine, it's your choice.
I actually took some time to Google on this debate of penetration for lesbians, because I'm at work and this is far more entertaining than, you know, working. :) I found this example:
Conversely, I tried looking up the equivalent for gay men, but I'm not seeing this whole political side of the argument on the male side. I mean, using your arguments it stands to reason that anal sex between two males is really analogous to penetrative vaginal sex, so they can't be gay only right? If they want to put their penises in tight warm holes, then they're secretly craving vaginas? Why is there such a political charge on the lesbian side, or is that still a carried mentality that came with the whole women's liberation movement?
So yeah, maybe the word "lesbian" has become clouded over the years, if it was ever intended to only mean non-phallic sex. Perhaps you should take upon yourself a new label? Something like "hardline lesbian" or "Orthodox lesbian"? I'm really not being sarcastic on that. The word lesbian seems to be a wide paintbrush hitting lots of different colors these days. Rather than try so hard to be exclusive of these colors, wouldn't it be easier to create your own category and be inclusive?
So I was with you on all that, until you added a little tidbit to one post.
Saying no to tampons? Really? What does that have to do with sex at all, other than it's the same hole? 2 years ago I had the flu so bad that I couldn't take oral medicines, so I had to use a suppository. I didn't "deflower my rectum" putting that in, forever making me a bisexual. I just didn't want to go to the hospital for dehydration. How can using a tampon instead of having a pad of blood taped to your underwear make any possible difference regarding who you have sex with, or how? When you go to the gynecologist and they get out that speculum to take a gander up in there, do you tell him/her no? I mean, isn't that basically the brunt of what a gynecologist is looking at?[/QUOTE]
Thank you for your kind answer. I just want to say one thing: can I have the freedom to say that lesbian don't like penis? I'm not saying anything shocking, am I?
As for tampons....you said that you couldn't take oral medicines. But a woman can choose between tampons and pads. But I have nothing against women who use tampons.
And thankfully, I have never been to a gyno. I'm a "vaginal vergin", even though I've had clitoral sex with my girlfriend. I hope I will never get an infection but I think clitoral stimulation is quite risk free.
Kas, you supposed to get a gyn exam at 18 (or is it 21?)
Regardless, if your avoiding a gyn exam because you want to remain a "vaginal virgin", or if your not going because you don't feel like its necessary, then your being foolish.
[QUOTE=Kasparova;274887]Thank you for your kind answer. I just want to say one thing: can I have the freedom to say that lesbian don't like penis? I'm not saying anything shocking, am I?
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I believe we've stumbled onto the crux of all the arguments everyone on here has had for this topic. The definition of lesbian (as per several online dictionaries) is "A woman whose sexual orientation is to women." It makes no mention of how those orientations are played out. There are no addendums regarding types of acceptable or forbidden pleasures to maintain the lesbian status. Words mean things, and we can't alter them to fit our personal opinions.
What I believe you are doing in inferring that since the outward difference between man and woman is genitals, then lesbian means a dislike of anything penis resembling, or any penetration. This is unfair to lesbians that partake in penetrations. Inferring things like this, especially when including yourself in the comparisons, can create more tension for an argument than you intended. Just as a person can't infer that all lesbians have short hair and wear army boots, a person can't infer that lesbians don't want penetration.
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And thankfully, I have never been to a gyno. I'm a "vaginal vergin", even if I've had clitoral sex with my girlfriend. I hope I will never get an infection but I think clitoral stimulation is quite risk free.[/QUOTE]
I hope that everything works out for you, but that's an awful big risk to take. There are many other things that they check out, like cancers, etc. I personally wouldn't take that risk for what amounts to just a personal record of how long you've maintained penetrative virginity.
Just because you like cylindrical plastic objects doesn't mean you like penis's. I know girls who enjoy anal play with fingers while being eaten out. They DO NOT like having a penis up there. There are men on these forums who enjoy a finger in the anus while being blown. A prostate massage doesn't mean you like dicks. It means you like prostate massages.
I switched from a 2200 calorie diet to a 3600 calorie bulk. Its miserable. Do you think I enjoy eating that much food? Hell no. But I do it fo the end esult. Getting a finger in your rectum doesn't mean you enjoy dicks. Its all about the end result (orgasm via prostate stimulation). Women trying to increase their orgasm via the "fullness" of penetration. Or the stimulation of the g spot.
[QUOTE=Ducy;274889]Kas, you supposed to get a gyn exam at 18 (or is it 21?)
Regardless, if your avoiding a gyn exam because you want to remain a "vaginal virgin", or if your not going because you don't feel like its necessary, then your being foolish.[/QUOTE]
You go to a gyno when you need to. Don't tell me what I have to do with my body.
[QUOTE=Kasparova;274893]. Don't tell me what I have to do with my body.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: ummm and you are dissing the poor lesbians for liking dildo's lol
maybe you should stop telling them what to do with their bodies....:p:rolleyes:;)
My mistake. I assumed an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I get a full physical every yea regardless of if I "feel" ok. Last time I heard, my grandfather "felt" fine and wound up with stage four lung cancer.
[QUOTE=Firmus;274899]Great, now I have Meatloaf songs stuck in my head. Thanks... ;)
"Cause I would do anything for love.... but I won't do that...."[/QUOTE]
Guess what I've been singing while cooking dinner?:rolleyes:
I was wondering what had triggered me to do that... :p:D
No Kasp. I said were all wondering why you're continuing with this "real lesbians don't use dildos" nonsense. And like I've said before, I think all this ranting of yours is a symptom of an even bigger issue.
Kasp, you could have chosen a picture of the sugar cane glass dildo. It looks so innocent I thought it was Christmas-decoration ;)
Dildo's really aren't as much like penises as you think. Even the dildo you depict; it may look like a whole lot "realistic", but I'm yet to find a toy that even remotely resembles my lover's penis. For starters; the texture is not as soft and smooth like actual skin, the softness doesn't move around the hardness like his skin does, it doesn't radiate heat or resembles it poorly, etc. Not to mention; there's no lover attached to it, which is somehow a great part of the fun:rolleyes: Looking for a toy to replace his penis is futile, but looking for a toy to please me; sure can:)
People just look for whatever seems pleasurable to them. No man's penis will ever be as smooth and sturdy like glass. Or how about insertable bullet-vibrators, Ben Wa balls and yoni-eggs? They're in no way comparable to a penis (or I'd be very sorry for the guy ;)). Such toys can not only be pleasurable, they also provide exercise in both strengthening and relaxation of your pelvic floor and can even be used for spiritual meditation; returning to your center.
You can treat your feet to a pedicure or your back to a massage, so why make the vagina off limits? Why not spoil a vagina just like any other part of the body? Masturbation is also referred to as self-love. A very appropriate term. A lesbian should be allowed to love her own vagina too!
[QUOTE=RedRoses;274907]Kasp, you could have chosen a picture of the sugar cane glass dildo. It looks so innocent I thought it was Christmas-decoration ;)
Dildo's really aren't as much like penises as you think. Even the dildo you depict; it may look like a whole lot "realistic", but I'm yet to find a toy that even remotely resembles my lover's penis. For starters; the texture is not as soft and smooth like actual skin, the softness doesn't move around the hardness like his skin does, it doesn't radiate heat or resembles it poorly, etc. Not to mention; there's no lover attached to it, which is somehow a great part of the fun:rolleyes: Looking for a toy to replace his penis is futile, but looking for a toy to please me; sure can:)
People just look for whatever seems pleasurable to them. No man's penis will ever be as smooth and sturdy like glass. Or how about insertable bullet-vibrators, Ben Wa balls and yoni-eggs? They're in no way comparable to a penis (or I'd be very sorry for the guy ;)). Such toys can not only be pleasurable, they also provide exercise in both strengthening and relaxation of your pelvic floor and can even be used for spiritual meditation; returning to your center.
You can treat your feet to a pedicure or your back to a massage, so why make the vagina off limits? Why not spoil a vagina just like any other part of the body? Masturbation is also referred to as self-love. A very appropriate term. A lesbian should be allowed to love her own vagina too![/QUOTE]
As I said before, it's not about the shape or the size, it's about the function. If you love penetration you love penis. If you love penis you can't love only women.
If I ask a REAL straight man, an "Italian stallion" if he likes something, even a little finger, in his anus, he will scream: "GAAAAAAAAAAAY!" before I finish the sentence.
Ducy, well I used to think so, it's not like I ever told the world or something. I felt weird and like missing out on something that should be so normal and much fun. And I do think it's a part of me that's been blocked by trauma for a long time. I believe I've always been multi-orgasmic, I had just lost the keys to unlock myself.
Since I do enjoy and desire sex now, I don't think asexual would be an appropriate label ;) I don't feel like a piece of me is missing anymore. I do feel that it makes things more difficult, but why focus on that? Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it can't :) The only thing that sometimes bothers me is how I wonder what influence this all has and has had on my relationship and will have on possible other partners in the future.
I agree; labels can be such a nuisance and do more worse than good at times.
The thing is that labels exist, so why don't we use them in the right way?
I don't call a "flower" a "book" because a flower is a flower, a book is a book.
Now I hope I'm not hurting your feelings, but I want to tell the truth: if I am a lesbian I love this:
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Not this:
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[QUOTE=Ducy;274805]You can die having an orgams if you have a bad heart. You can die from childbirth through complications.
You ideals of conception is foolish. Your saying something the human body was designed for is completely wrong. Yes thousands and thousands of years of evolution is WRONG. HA. Humans have ben around for a LOOOOOOONG time. You've been around for...how long? Exactly.
Enjoying a finger doesn't mean you enjoy a penis. If she eats hot dogs does it mean shell enjoy blowwing men? I enjoy flexing and looking at myself in the mirror. Does it make me a narcissist (sp?) No. I do it to see my results and find flaws in my physique. I am currently smitten by a woman who lifts weights. In fact she squats 2 times her bodyweight. Does this mean she is going to compete in a powelifting meet? No. Just because some does or enjoys something doesn't mean that it will directly correlate to something else. Heavy weights doesn't equal powerlifting. Flexing doesn't equal nacissism. Hot dogs don't equal blow jobs. Fingers don't equal dicks. If that's the case then I'm soy about the dicks you have seen in life.[/QUOTE]
yes, human beings are able to reproduce. But Nature wasn't in good shape when She decided how babies should have been born.
Eating an hot dog and having ORAL SEX with a dildo is quite different.
And I have never seen a dick in my life and I don't want to.
Just a question, can I post pictures of sex toys? In the posting guidelines there's nothing about it and I'm afraid to go against the rules of the forum.
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;274816]"Nature wasn't in good shape when she decided how babies were born?"
You are out of your mind! Nothing decided anything. If it worked, it stayed; if it didn't work, it went. It is EVOLUTION and it isn't kind or pretty. Women with wider hips lived while women with narrow hips died a writhing death in childbirth - usually along with the child.
What are you trying to validate in this thread? Your statements are all over the place trying to decide if someone is a "real lesbian" - as if anyone cares - or not. You like dildos? Fine. You don't like dildos? Fine. You like rotating anti-cyclonaically every alternate Thursday? Fine. You don't? Fine.
What - the #%#$ - ever!
You're okay as you are, if a bit nutty.
Relax and stop trying to put other people into little labeled boxes.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I just wanted to say that childbirth is not easy. That's all
I'm not trying to DECIDE who's lesbian: their actions show what they really are.
The fact that lesbians love penis it's something new to me. It's so silly of me, but I thought lesbians loved vulva.
"Nature wasn't in good shape when she decided how babies were born?"
You are out of your mind! Nothing decided anything. If it worked, it stayed; if it didn't work, it went. It is EVOLUTION and it isn't kind or pretty. Women with wider hips lived while women with narrow hips died a writhing death in childbirth - usually along with the child.
What are you trying to validate in this thread? Your statements are all over the place trying to decide if someone is a "real lesbian" - as if anyone cares - or not. You like dildos? Fine. You don't like dildos? Fine. You like rotating anti-cyclonaically every alternate Thursday? Fine. You don't? Fine.
What - the #%#$ - ever!
You're okay as you are, if a bit nutty.
Relax and stop trying to put other people into little labeled boxes.
A LESBIAN loves WOMEN, not vulvas - those just come as part of the package. People love people, not the "packaging". Now your posting of the shaven vulva, ala gynecological textbook, leads me to believe that you have NOT embraced your sexuality - those who have do not resort to such cheap tricks and sensationalisms.
I knew Kasparova, indeed many of her, in a previous lifetime. When I arrived at university I suspected that I was lesbian and was attracted to the campus feminism cum lesbian group. The leader "chose" me, we became an item and I was central to all the activities. Their words, beliefs, slogans and outlook on males were all the same as are being expressed here. It is surprising how many of the group went on to become successful wives, mothers, professionals and rather normal women with no particular negative feelings towards men.
Kas' intense objection to any form of penetration indicates to me a fear of something rather than a love of something. She also has her self-identity, not just her sexual identity, closely clutched between her thighs not realizing, as Evil points out, that love is not directed at the vulva, or any body part, but to a person. A whole person with head and arms and legs and hair and hair and thoughts and, if animate, some form of genitalia, some means of participating in reproduction.
Such intense "dislike" ("I have never seen .... and don't want to") of a penis is driven by something. Yes, I heard exactly that in the lesbian group at university even from some women who I learned later were not virgin. Few of us were. And when the dear leader dumped me, "just like man," I went on a sexual tear trying to screw every man on campus (almost made it!) to prove that I was "not one of them." I had gone from one sickness to another and neither was really myself. Not a few of my friends from those days went through something similar.
Kas may undergo some change with maturity or she may be a man-hater (fearer) all her life. The whole point is that militant lesbians often sound like her. No need to correct her or try to change her. That cannot be done on a website.
[QUOTE=Kasparova;274785]Bisexual, maybe? And remember, he's using a toy which looks like a penis....[/QUOTE]
Kasp, What does it matter, If he is ok with it why are you getting so distressed over it. Live and let live:)
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;274827]A LESBIAN loves WOMEN, not vulvas - those just come as part of the package. People love people, not the "packaging". Now your posting of the shaven vulva, ala gynecological textbook, leads me to believe that you have NOT embraced your sexuality - those who have do not resort to such cheap tricks and sensationalisms.[/QUOTE]
So a lesbian or a straight man could love a transexual man, with a female aspect but with a penis?
[QUOTE=Brandye;274828]I knew Kasparova, indeed many of her, in a previous lifetime. When I arrived at university I suspected that I was lesbian and was attracted to the campus feminism cum lesbian group. The leader "chose" me, we became an item and I was central to all the activities. Their words, beliefs, slogans and outlook on males were all the same as are being expressed here. It is surprising how many of the group went on to become successful wives, mothers, professionals and rather normal women with no particular negative feelings towards men.
Kas' intense objection to any form of penetration indicates to me a fear of something rather than a love of something. She also has her self-identity, not just her sexual identity, closely clutched between her thighs not realizing, as Evil points out, that love is not directed at the vulva, or any body part, but to a person. A whole person with head and arms and legs and hair and hair and thoughts and, if animate, some form of genitalia, some means of participating in reproduction.
Such intense "dislike" ("I have never seen .... and don't want to") of a penis is driven by something. Yes, I heard exactly that in the lesbian group at university even from some women who I learned later were not virgin. Few of us were. And when the dear leader dumped me, "just like man," I went on a sexual tear trying to screw every man on campus (almost made it!) to prove that I was "not one of them." I had gone from one sickness to another and neither was really myself. Not a few of my friends from those days went through something similar.
Kas may undergo some change with maturity or she may be a man-hater (fearer) all her life. The whole point is that militant lesbians often sound like her. No need to correct her or try to change her. That cannot be done on a website.[/QUOTE]
Brandye I'm 24 years old. I am an adult woman.
I'm not a man-hater. If I hated men I would have said that; I hate autumn because I think it's a depressive season. I hate television because I find it stupid. I hate religoius fundamentalism because it is based on a wrong idea of religion. But I don't hate men. Men are friends; my best discussions about cinema, art, life, philosophy were with men. They have never hurt me so I don't understand the reason why I am supposed to hate them. And I strongly believe that in the process of emancipation of women, men MUST be involved; and many of them are militant feminists and the first to say that male chauvinism is a scourge to eliminate. I don't like penis, not men.
I love the body of a woman with all her female bodyparts: tits and so on...
I don't like moustache, beard, chest hair and PENIS. That's why I don't like dildos and penetration of any kind.
If you like both men and women I'm very happy for you; as Woody Allen said: "bisexuality doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night"! (It's only a joke, don't get angry;))
I only want to underline the contradiction of women who like penis but define themselves lesbians. It's something I don't understand.
What's there not to understand about this? They like dildos. You don't. Just because they like to use some toy doesn't mean they're attracted to men. Human sexuality is a big gray area but that's beside the point. The real question here is why you feel so compelled to point out the "contradiction" among lesbians with they're use of dildos.
I'm not sure if you're really a man hater or a militant lesbian as some of the other posters have pointed out but they're definitely some unaddressed issues here.
Kasp, has strong views on this issue and has expressed them as she sees fit.
I dont particularly agree with them but nevertheless that is what she thinks.
What does it matter if a lady wants to use a dilo, what does it matter if a man wants to use a dildo and why should it matter to anyone else what someone thinks of a person who uses a dildo.
Live and let live :):)
To quote the OP in a private message she sent me
Lesbians use pads, not tampons. Tampons are unsanitary.
/Thread
I'm done talking to such a foolish person.
Her ignorance knows no bounds, Ducy!
The OP's ignorance seems to be the least of her problems EEK lol
Ask Kasp what the big deal is. She came out of nowhere to tell us all the women who love dildos are lias and "hurt her feelings"
Women who use dildos love penis. Women who are not disgusted by penetration, with fingers, tampons etc...are not disgusted by the penis.
These women love something that I can't give to them. In a way I feel betrayed by them.
Why dont' they love what I have? Why they want something that looks like a penis? Because they love it. Because they don't love women only. Because they are not lesbians.
They make me feel like a lack of something. That's why I could never sleep with a bisexual.
[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;274848]Her ignorance knows no bounds, Ducy![/QUOTE]
Thank you for your kindness. But you didn't answer to my question.
You have fingers. They want you to finger them...
How do they want something that you don't have?
[QUOTE=Ducy;274864]You have fingers. They want you to finger them...
How do they want something that you don't have?[/QUOTE]
Ducy, yes I have fingers but they have a CLITORIS. If they want something inside their vaginas, sooner or later, they will want something BIGGER. Because they like the feeling of penetration, because they love penis.
I don't understand why you are telling me that I'm "ignorant" or a "men hater".
WHY ALL THIS HATRED???
[QUOTE=Kasparova;274866]Ducy, yes I have fingers but they have a CLITORIS. If they want something inside their vaginas, sooner or later, they will want something BIGGER. Because they like the feeling of penetration, because they love penis.
I don't understand why you are telling me that I'm "ignorant" or a "men hater".
WHY ALL THIS HATRED???[/QUOTE]
Kasp I think there is a lot of hatred because some of your posts are quite radical and some of the points that you make may hurt some of those reading them.
These are your views and of course you are very much entitled to hold them but often your point is lost because of the language you choose to deliver it. :)
[QUOTE=ludaje;274868]Kasp I think there is a lot of hatred because some of your posts are quite radical and some of the points that you make may hurt some of those reading them.
These are your views and of course you are very much entitled to hold them but often your point is lost because of the language you choose to deliver it. :)[/QUOTE]
Thank you Ludaje. You are the only one who's been kind to me. I think I love you, but not your penis:D:D.
Ok, sorry if I hurt some of you. Can we start again and talk with no feelings of hatred?
You came onto a very open minded forum and started blasting lesbians who like penetration. You tell everyone that it "hurts your feelings" when a woman is gay but likes toys.
Who cares if they have a clitoris? They also have a vaginal canal.
Perhaps there wouldn't be such a problem if you weren't so ignorant in posting. your theoy of "Women aren't gay if they like penetration" is as ignorant as me say "you hate men because you find penis's revolting".
I don't care if you gay, straight, lesbian, bi, transgendered. Do what you want. But don't come here and start telling me what one thing is or isn't. If you said that in YOUR opinion, women who liked penetration are bi, then fine. But you post a thread saying that NO WOMAN IS TRULY LESBIAN IF THY LIKE ANY FORM OF PENETRATION. You also say that a true lesbian doesn't wear tampons and that a finger equals a penis.
This is madness...
(Insert 300 film quote here)
There is no talk to "start again".
Like I said, you came here and put EVERY lesbian woman who likes penetration, and evey straight man who enjoys any form of anal stimulation on blast and said that they were offending you. If your "title" of sexuality is so important than fine. But you are robbing yourself of a great amount of sexual pleasure by denying yourself penetration.
[QUOTE=Kasparova;274869]Thank you Ludaje. You are the only one who's been kind to me. I think I love you, but not your penis:D:D.
Ok, sorry if I hurt some of you. Can we start again and talk with no feelings of hatred?[/QUOTE]
No problem Kasp. It might take a while but people will mellow in their response to you. just keep being nice. ;) and maybe accept the fact that other people have a different view on penetration, sex toys and sexuality :)
Lundjae we can all accept people who have different views. The problem is the presentation or the people who refuse to do likewise and can't accept anyone elses opinion. Such as the "be all end all" "fact" that the op posted.
Hi,
I was ok with the whole "penetration = penis envy" type of argument you were using for any sexual relations. I mean I'm sure there are plenty of grey areas of lesbianism (although you're arguing it's black and white only) but if you want to be a hardline lesbian with no phallic anything regardless of who's using it then that's fine, it's your choice.
I actually took some time to Google on this debate of penetration for lesbians, because I'm at work and this is far more entertaining than, you know, working. :) I found this example:
[url=http://www.thesandb.com/opinion/the-politics-of-penetration-from-a-lesbi... politics of penetration from a lesbian perspective | Scarlet & Black
Conversely, I tried looking up the equivalent for gay men, but I'm not seeing this whole political side of the argument on the male side. I mean, using your arguments it stands to reason that anal sex between two males is really analogous to penetrative vaginal sex, so they can't be gay only right? If they want to put their penises in tight warm holes, then they're secretly craving vaginas? Why is there such a political charge on the lesbian side, or is that still a carried mentality that came with the whole women's liberation movement?
So yeah, maybe the word "lesbian" has become clouded over the years, if it was ever intended to only mean non-phallic sex. Perhaps you should take upon yourself a new label? Something like "hardline lesbian" or "Orthodox lesbian"? I'm really not being sarcastic on that. The word lesbian seems to be a wide paintbrush hitting lots of different colors these days. Rather than try so hard to be exclusive of these colors, wouldn't it be easier to create your own category and be inclusive?
So I was with you on all that, until you added a little tidbit to one post.
Saying no to tampons? Really? What does that have to do with sex at all, other than it's the same hole? 2 years ago I had the flu so bad that I couldn't take oral medicines, so I had to use a suppository. I didn't "deflower my rectum" putting that in, forever making me a bisexual. I just didn't want to go to the hospital for dehydration. How can using a tampon instead of having a pad of blood taped to your underwear make any possible difference regarding who you have sex with, or how? When you go to the gynecologist and they get out that speculum to take a gander up in there, do you tell him/her no? I mean, isn't that basically the brunt of what a gynecologist is looking at?
Ducy & Firmus, Kasp is from Italy. Therefor your nation's guidelines may not apply when it comes to pelvic exams. Regardless of guidelines, it remains the woman's choice whether she does so or not. I'd like to point out Brandye's thread -she's a physician- to you Kasp, because a conscious decision is a well-informed one: http://www.sexinfo101.com/forum/sexual-health-women/11602-your-first-pel...
I'd also like to add that a friend of mine was told by her physician that women who have never been vaginally penetrated have low risk of cervical cancer, also above 35 years old. So unless there were complaints, there was no need for vaginal exam nor PAP-smear. But: since research among nuns shows that vaginal virgins have higher risk of developing cancer inside the uterus, he did order an ultrasound as part of prevention (all was fine :)). This may be something to remember for you to request, Kasp.
[QUOTE=Ducy;274870]You came onto a very open minded forum and started blasting lesbians who like penetration. You tell everyone that it "hurts your feelings" when a woman is gay but likes toys.
Who cares if they have a clitoris? They also have a vaginal canal.
Perhaps there wouldn't be such a problem if you weren't so ignorant in posting. your theoy of "Women aren't gay if they like penetration" is as ignorant as me say "you hate men because you find penis's revolting".
I don't care if you gay, straight, lesbian, bi, transgendered. Do what you want. But don't come here and start telling me what one thing is or isn't. If you said that in YOUR opinion, women who liked penetration are bi, then fine. But you post a thread saying that NO WOMAN IS TRULY LESBIAN IF THY LIKE ANY FORM OF PENETRATION. You also say that a true lesbian doesn't wear tampons and that a finger equals a penis.
This is madness...
(Insert 300 film quote here)[/QUOTE]
Ducy, I didn't say that "a finger equals a penis". I said that if a woman likes finger penetration she will like a penis too. And why should I use a tampon when there are pads? The blood is supposed to flow out of your body. It shouldn't be trapped in there. But if women like to be penetrated all the time, well, it's their choice. As the famous Latin saying goes: "De gustibus non disputandum est" (one must not dispute about tastes).
Can you give an answer?: do you think that women or men who use dildos, don't like penis?
Many have tried to be kind to you, Kasp. But really; I'm losing your way of thinking more and more... Comparing tampons to the like of penetration? Firmus read my mind, while I thought: what's next; thinking straight and bi women actually like a gyno-exam?!
When it comes to menstruation one way or another that blood needs to be kept from getting into our clothing. And every woman chooses the lesser evil personally. Me: I dislike tampons, but I hate pads for the abrasions they cause on my vulva. Years of experience, particularly when biking to school daily; ouch, ouch, ouch! :(
And don't think of your fingers as less or as if they're miniature penises. That's actually a bit of an insult to our very highly evolved hands! A penis is like a hardness with soft coating, with limited maneuverability. Fingers are more slender, delicate, hard and extremely maneuverable. A penis can't curl up and wave in a "come here"-motion while inside, hitting your g-spot perfectly :rolleyes:. A penis can't use it's tactile senses to find and then accurately stimulate. With skill he may attempt, but no matter what; the structure of the penis will not be the same as fingers. As a woman who likes both; it's a very different sensation. It's like saying: I like cake and icecream. Both to me are very delicious, but surely not the same. And I would much understand that a woman would like one (fingers) and not another (penis).
[QUOTE=RedRoses;274884]Many have tried to be kind to you, Kasp. But really; I'm losing your way of thinking more and more... Comparing tampons to the like of penetration? Firmus read my mind, while I thought: what's next; thinking straight and bi women actually like a gyno-exam?!
[/quote]
It's because we're geniuses. :)
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A penis can't curl up and wave in a "come here"-motion while inside, hitting your g-spot perfectly :rolleyes:. [/QUOTE]
Sure they can, you just have to be lucky like some of us and have a prehensile penis. :)
Sadly I'm kidding, but that would be weird as hell but not unheard of in nature.
[url=http://www.cracked.com/article/241_5-animals-that-can-do-amazing-things-... Animals That Can Do Amazing Things ... With Their Penises | Cracked.com
[QUOTE=Firmus;274877]Hi,
I was ok with the whole "penetration = penis envy" type of argument you were using for any sexual relations. I mean I'm sure there are plenty of grey areas of lesbianism (although you're arguing it's black and white only) but if you want to be a hardline lesbian with no phallic anything regardless of who's using it then that's fine, it's your choice.
I actually took some time to Google on this debate of penetration for lesbians, because I'm at work and this is far more entertaining than, you know, working. :) I found this example:
[url=http://www.thesandb.com/opinion/the-politics-of-penetration-from-a-lesbi... politics of penetration from a lesbian perspective | Scarlet & Black
Conversely, I tried looking up the equivalent for gay men, but I'm not seeing this whole political side of the argument on the male side. I mean, using your arguments it stands to reason that anal sex between two males is really analogous to penetrative vaginal sex, so they can't be gay only right? If they want to put their penises in tight warm holes, then they're secretly craving vaginas? Why is there such a political charge on the lesbian side, or is that still a carried mentality that came with the whole women's liberation movement?
So yeah, maybe the word "lesbian" has become clouded over the years, if it was ever intended to only mean non-phallic sex. Perhaps you should take upon yourself a new label? Something like "hardline lesbian" or "Orthodox lesbian"? I'm really not being sarcastic on that. The word lesbian seems to be a wide paintbrush hitting lots of different colors these days. Rather than try so hard to be exclusive of these colors, wouldn't it be easier to create your own category and be inclusive?
So I was with you on all that, until you added a little tidbit to one post.
Saying no to tampons? Really? What does that have to do with sex at all, other than it's the same hole? 2 years ago I had the flu so bad that I couldn't take oral medicines, so I had to use a suppository. I didn't "deflower my rectum" putting that in, forever making me a bisexual. I just didn't want to go to the hospital for dehydration. How can using a tampon instead of having a pad of blood taped to your underwear make any possible difference regarding who you have sex with, or how? When you go to the gynecologist and they get out that speculum to take a gander up in there, do you tell him/her no? I mean, isn't that basically the brunt of what a gynecologist is looking at?[/QUOTE]
Thank you for your kind answer. I just want to say one thing: can I have the freedom to say that lesbian don't like penis? I'm not saying anything shocking, am I?
As for tampons....you said that you couldn't take oral medicines. But a woman can choose between tampons and pads. But I have nothing against women who use tampons.
And thankfully, I have never been to a gyno. I'm a "vaginal vergin", even though I've had clitoral sex with my girlfriend. I hope I will never get an infection but I think clitoral stimulation is quite risk free.
Kas, you supposed to get a gyn exam at 18 (or is it 21?)
Regardless, if your avoiding a gyn exam because you want to remain a "vaginal virgin", or if your not going because you don't feel like its necessary, then your being foolish.
[QUOTE=Kasparova;274887]Thank you for your kind answer. I just want to say one thing: can I have the freedom to say that lesbian don't like penis? I'm not saying anything shocking, am I?
[/quote]
I believe we've stumbled onto the crux of all the arguments everyone on here has had for this topic. The definition of lesbian (as per several online dictionaries) is "A woman whose sexual orientation is to women." It makes no mention of how those orientations are played out. There are no addendums regarding types of acceptable or forbidden pleasures to maintain the lesbian status. Words mean things, and we can't alter them to fit our personal opinions.
What I believe you are doing in inferring that since the outward difference between man and woman is genitals, then lesbian means a dislike of anything penis resembling, or any penetration. This is unfair to lesbians that partake in penetrations. Inferring things like this, especially when including yourself in the comparisons, can create more tension for an argument than you intended. Just as a person can't infer that all lesbians have short hair and wear army boots, a person can't infer that lesbians don't want penetration.
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And thankfully, I have never been to a gyno. I'm a "vaginal vergin", even if I've had clitoral sex with my girlfriend. I hope I will never get an infection but I think clitoral stimulation is quite risk free.[/QUOTE]
I hope that everything works out for you, but that's an awful big risk to take. There are many other things that they check out, like cancers, etc. I personally wouldn't take that risk for what amounts to just a personal record of how long you've maintained penetrative virginity.
Take care...
I can also give you an answer to your question.
Just because you like cylindrical plastic objects doesn't mean you like penis's. I know girls who enjoy anal play with fingers while being eaten out. They DO NOT like having a penis up there. There are men on these forums who enjoy a finger in the anus while being blown. A prostate massage doesn't mean you like dicks. It means you like prostate massages.
I switched from a 2200 calorie diet to a 3600 calorie bulk. Its miserable. Do you think I enjoy eating that much food? Hell no. But I do it fo the end esult. Getting a finger in your rectum doesn't mean you enjoy dicks. Its all about the end result (orgasm via prostate stimulation). Women trying to increase their orgasm via the "fullness" of penetration. Or the stimulation of the g spot.
[QUOTE=Ducy;274889]Kas, you supposed to get a gyn exam at 18 (or is it 21?)
Regardless, if your avoiding a gyn exam because you want to remain a "vaginal virgin", or if your not going because you don't feel like its necessary, then your being foolish.[/QUOTE]
You go to a gyno when you need to. Don't tell me what I have to do with my body.
Firmus you said that the definition of a lesbian is a woman whose sexual orientation is to women: that's exactly the point.
If you love a woman you love the BODY of a woman; you don't love things which look like a part of the body which is male by definition.
[QUOTE=Kasparova;274893]. Don't tell me what I have to do with my body.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: ummm and you are dissing the poor lesbians for liking dildo's lol
maybe you should stop telling them what to do with their bodies....:p:rolleyes:;)
Lol repped.
My mistake. I assumed an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I get a full physical every yea regardless of if I "feel" ok. Last time I heard, my grandfather "felt" fine and wound up with stage four lung cancer.
[QUOTE=Kasparova;274866]
I don't understand why you are telling me that I'm "ignorant" or a "men hater".
WHY ALL THIS HATRED???[/QUOTE]
None of us hate you Kasp. We just don't understand why you came out of nowhere to bash lesbians for using dildos like a bat out of hell.
[QUOTE=g-dubz;274898]... a bat out of hell.[/QUOTE]
Great, now I have Meatloaf songs stuck in my head. Thanks... ;)
"Cause I would do anything for love.... but I won't do that...."
LOL You're welcome Firmus :D
so you are saying that a woman likes this:
[URL=http://www.dumparump.com/view.php?id=S6PNNvu]
and she doesn't like penis???? oh please....
[QUOTE=Firmus;274899]Great, now I have Meatloaf songs stuck in my head. Thanks... ;)
"Cause I would do anything for love.... but I won't do that...."[/QUOTE]
Guess what I've been singing while cooking dinner?:rolleyes:
I was wondering what had triggered me to do that... :p:D
No Kasp. I said were all wondering why you're continuing with this "real lesbians don't use dildos" nonsense. And like I've said before, I think all this ranting of yours is a symptom of an even bigger issue.
Naturally you pick a dildo that's "supposed" to be as lifelike as possible for your argument.
What about this:
Or this:
Or this:
Or whatever this is:
If any human male has a penis like these, he better be in porno.
Kasp, you could have chosen a picture of the sugar cane glass dildo. It looks so innocent I thought it was Christmas-decoration ;)
Dildo's really aren't as much like penises as you think. Even the dildo you depict; it may look like a whole lot "realistic", but I'm yet to find a toy that even remotely resembles my lover's penis. For starters; the texture is not as soft and smooth like actual skin, the softness doesn't move around the hardness like his skin does, it doesn't radiate heat or resembles it poorly, etc. Not to mention; there's no lover attached to it, which is somehow a great part of the fun:rolleyes: Looking for a toy to replace his penis is futile, but looking for a toy to please me; sure can:)
People just look for whatever seems pleasurable to them. No man's penis will ever be as smooth and sturdy like glass. Or how about insertable bullet-vibrators, Ben Wa balls and yoni-eggs? They're in no way comparable to a penis (or I'd be very sorry for the guy ;)). Such toys can not only be pleasurable, they also provide exercise in both strengthening and relaxation of your pelvic floor and can even be used for spiritual meditation; returning to your center.
You can treat your feet to a pedicure or your back to a massage, so why make the vagina off limits? Why not spoil a vagina just like any other part of the body? Masturbation is also referred to as self-love. A very appropriate term. A lesbian should be allowed to love her own vagina too!
I have several friends who are lesbians who use dildos, so I have to disagree.
[QUOTE=darkvoodoo;274915]I have several friends who are lesbians who use dildos, so I have to disagree.[/QUOTE]
Your friends are bisexual not lesbians.
[QUOTE=RedRoses;274907]Kasp, you could have chosen a picture of the sugar cane glass dildo. It looks so innocent I thought it was Christmas-decoration ;)
Dildo's really aren't as much like penises as you think. Even the dildo you depict; it may look like a whole lot "realistic", but I'm yet to find a toy that even remotely resembles my lover's penis. For starters; the texture is not as soft and smooth like actual skin, the softness doesn't move around the hardness like his skin does, it doesn't radiate heat or resembles it poorly, etc. Not to mention; there's no lover attached to it, which is somehow a great part of the fun:rolleyes: Looking for a toy to replace his penis is futile, but looking for a toy to please me; sure can:)
People just look for whatever seems pleasurable to them. No man's penis will ever be as smooth and sturdy like glass. Or how about insertable bullet-vibrators, Ben Wa balls and yoni-eggs? They're in no way comparable to a penis (or I'd be very sorry for the guy ;)). Such toys can not only be pleasurable, they also provide exercise in both strengthening and relaxation of your pelvic floor and can even be used for spiritual meditation; returning to your center.
You can treat your feet to a pedicure or your back to a massage, so why make the vagina off limits? Why not spoil a vagina just like any other part of the body? Masturbation is also referred to as self-love. A very appropriate term. A lesbian should be allowed to love her own vagina too![/QUOTE]
As I said before, it's not about the shape or the size, it's about the function. If you love penetration you love penis. If you love penis you can't love only women.
If I ask a REAL straight man, an "Italian stallion" if he likes something, even a little finger, in his anus, he will scream: "GAAAAAAAAAAAY!" before I finish the sentence.
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