Dildos and female homosexuality

Such a thread makes me wonder;
why would we want to cram people into nicely fitting boxes with labels on it?

But here we go; even many straight women don't like plastic penises. Does it mean that because they don't like fake penises, they're not really straight? Off course not. Because you're not sexually attracted to a toy. It's simply a tool.

A man who likes toys for anal play isn't automatically gay. A woman who likes toys for vaginal play and calls herself lesbian; sure, why not? By all means; is she hurting someone by saying she only feels sexually attracted to women?

You chose the life you live and take pride in it. Which is wonderful! But let other people live theirs, please.

EDIT; so basically agreeing with Firmus, I was typing while he had posted :)

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 20:59

#4

Firmus

Keep your eyes on your own paper Red. ;)

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 21:18

#5

What can I say; great minds think alike ;):):D Beastiality & an orca-dildo... Wondering what it makes me for owning a pebble-shaped vibrator and a yoni-egg... Ovu-lapillus-sexual?:rolleyes:

And where are my manners! I suddenly see that this is your first post, dear Kasparova. Welcome to this forum. Enjoy!

Thu, 10/20/2011 - 19:45

#6

I find the original post, as Firmus and Red, quite misleading. I have lived portions of my life as a lesbian; other parts as a straight woman and Finally gave up and live bi-sexually - slightly preferring women but wanting occasional "penis time."

Those "true" lesbians with whom I have discussed this have all experienced heterosexual intercourse. If for no other reason than curiousity. Some found the penetration and mess to be a complete turnoff. Some have said that they actually enjoy the feeling of a penis entering them but not enough to change their preference. Many of these women regularly use something similar to my colgne bottle to add a feeling of fullness. Kasparova would deny them their accepting the label as lesbian. My longest term girl friend and I were not really into toys - she has a vibrator and I have my old cologne bottle since I was sixteen. We preferred using body parts to using toys. Many of my friends, both straight and lesbian, do use vibrators for their efficiency; some use penetrating objects because they like to exercise "those muscles."

Red points out that these labels are relatively meaningless. Few men with whom I have shared genital space are aware or my general predilection for women - and certainly would not care whilst in me. Women with whom I have shared sex are generally both aware and understanding that I go both ways.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:03

(Reply to #3) #7

[QUOTE=RedRoses;274670]Such a thread makes me wonder;
why would we want to cram people into nicely fitting boxes with labels on it?

But here we go; even many straight women don't like plastic penises. Does it mean that because they don't like fake penises, they're not really straight? Off course not. Because you're not sexually attracted to a toy. It's simply a tool.

A man who likes toys for anal play isn't automatically gay. A woman who likes toys for vaginal play and calls herself lesbian; sure, why not? By all means; is she hurting someone by saying she only feels sexually attracted to women?

You chose the life you live and take pride in it. Which is wonderful! But let other people live theirs, please.

EDIT; so basically agreeing with Firmus, I was typing while he had posted :)[/QUOTE]

Many straight women don't like a fake penis? But they all like real penises! If a woman says she's attracted only by women, and don't like men, and then uses a plastic toy which is similar to the organ which makes a man a man, I see an obvious logical contradiction in this statement. There's a word for this women and it's BISEXUALS.

I'm not saying that a man who likes rubber penises is gay, I'm saying that he's bisexual. There's a big difference between bi and lesbians: the former have had sex with men and like penis too, the latter don't. A bisexual who likes rubber or real penises and call herself a "lesbian" is hurting MY FEELINGS
because I don't want to be compared to her. And I didn't choose my sexuality. I was born this way

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:19

(Reply to #6) #8

[QUOTE=Brandye;274690]I find the original post, as Firmus and Red, quite misleading. I have lived portions of my life as a lesbian; other parts as a straight woman and Finally gave up and live bi-sexually - slightly preferring women but wanting occasional "penis time."

Those "true" lesbians with whom I have discussed this have all experienced heterosexual intercourse. If for no other reason than curiousity. Some found the penetration and mess to be a complete turnoff. Some have said that they actually enjoy the feeling of a penis entering them but not enough to change their preference. Many of these women regularly use something similar to my colgne bottle to add a feeling of fullness. Kasparova would deny them their accepting the label as lesbian. My longest term girl friend and I were not really into toys - she has a vibrator and I have my old cologne bottle since I was sixteen. We preferred using body parts to using toys. Many of my friends, both straight and lesbian, do use vibrators for their efficiency; some use penetrating objects because they like to exercise "those muscles."

Red points out that these labels are relatively meaningless. Few men with whom I have shared genital space are aware or my general predilection for women - and certainly would not care whilst in me. Women with whom I have shared sex are generally both aware and understanding that I go both ways.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but "true lesbians" and "sex with men" cannot be in the same sentence together. I would never have sex with a man. Never. Because I'm a real lesbian.

The "feeling of fullness" it's a thing that only bi women like, because they also like penis. Lesbians are perfectly satisfied with their clitoral orgasms (which is the most common orgasm a woman can have, if not the only one) .

You said labels are meaningless. But you are using them too. So let's use them right. Let's call a spade a spade.

Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:56

(Reply to #2) #9

[QUOTE=Firmus;274669]So by your strict definition, any straight labeled man that's put something in his ass has his hetero card revoked and is now bisexual, regardless if he has no sexual/emotional interest in men?

Or, what about all the dildos that look nothing like a human penis? Does that make it ok? I've seen Orca shaped dildos. Does that mean they are into beastiality?

In my opinion all toys are tools to get a certain job done. That has no baring on your sexuality.[/QUOTE]

You are answering yourself with your first question: straight men who haven't SEXUAL interest in men DON'T like penises (real of fake) in their rears, bacause PENIS is simply the sexual organ of a man!!

Talking about toys which don't look like a penis: this is only an attorney's quibble; if men or women like penetration (and I mean penetration even with fingers) and objects inside them, they don't care if they look like penises or not. If they are not disgusted by the idea of having an "Orca shaped dildo" in their cavities, they won't be disgusted by a penis shaped toy . And they won't be disgusted by a real penis too. Which makes them bisexuals.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 08:47

#10

Kasparova, you're allowing her to hurt your feelings. And why it does, I honestly don't understand. Please explain yourself. How is she hurting you? She loves women. You love women. That's what binds you. Why focus on anything else? Is it because it makes dating complicated for you? Because you'd want a woman to answer to all your criteria when she says she's lesbian? Well, people never know what the exact sexual preference of a new partner will be. Instead of nuisance, see it as surprise.

You seem to be crossing a line when telling what other people want. To assume a woman wouldn't be disgusted by a real penis if she uses a toy, is something you just honestly don't know. If I'd be engaging in a relationship, I wouldn't assume any of his or her preference, all I'd need to know is that apparently: I am. And that I feel the same. That's a good and solid place to start.

Yes, labels come in handy. It's actually fascinating to see how the way we see our world represents itself in the words we use. Like the famous example of how Inuits have many different words for snow, because they see different kinds. But when it comes to defining people, do we really have to make people one dimensional? Why? So that we can "belong" to a group? So that we can play "us" against "them"?

Why do you want to define and label people (or yourself for that matter) like you do?

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 10:47

(Reply to #10) #11

[QUOTE=RedRoses;274716]Kasparova, you're allowing her to hurt your feelings. And why it does, I honestly don't understand. Please explain yourself. How is she hurting you? She loves women. You love women. That's what binds you. Why focus on anything else? Is it because it makes dating complicated for you? Because you'd want a woman to answer to all your criteria when she says she's lesbian? Well, people never know what the exact sexual preference of a new partner will be. Instead of nuisance, see it as surprise.

You seem to be crossing a line when telling what other people want. To assume a woman wouldn't be disgusted by a real penis if she uses a toy, is something you just honestly don't know. If I'd be engaging in a relationship, I wouldn't assume any of his or her preference, all I'd need to know is that apparently: I am. And that I feel the same. That's a good and solid place to start.

Yes, labels come in handy. It's actually fascinating to see how the way we see our world represents itself in the words we use. Like the famous example of how Inuits have many different words for snow, because they see different kinds. But when it comes to defining people, do we really have to make people one dimensional? Why? So that we can "belong" to a group? So that we can play "us" against "them"?

Why do you want to define and label people (or yourself for that matter) like you do?[/QUOTE]

Dear RedRoses, she's hurting me because it's like she's saying: "It's normal for lesbians to like penis/ I am a lesbian and this means that I potentially like penis too.

And she likes it for sure: if you don't like the original you don't like the substitute; if you don't like caviar you don't like lumpfish roe too(which is a cheaper substitute of caviar). It's so obvious. It's under everybody's eyes. Some of them even SUCK dildos as if they were having oral sex with a man!!

It's not about dating. It's about dignity. I don't want to be associated with someone who has been tainted by a penis, real or fake. And by penetration in general.

Don't misunderstand me; I respect bisexuals, but they don't respect me if they keep telling such lies.

You said Inuits have different words for snow. But there is an only one word for people who like vulva and penis and it's bisexual.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:03

#12

Firmus

Maybe I'm just weird then, but I think that sexual orientation is a "who you like" not a "what you've done" statement. I mean, if your girlfriend penetrated you with a finger, and you liked it, I don't thing that your whole lesbian life is now a sham. It just means that new nerves were lovingly touched on a woman, by a woman. Same would go for a cylindrical object. Just because female genitals are built in such a way as to easily accept cylindrical objects doesnt mean you are bisexual if you do that.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:22

#13

Thank you for explaining that. I think I understand what you're trying to say. I can see how the part "I am a lesbian and this means that I potentially like penis too" opens up a lot of doors, you don't want to be open. Perhaps even more important; a different definition to the word lesbian, stigmatizes you as something else than who you are. It creates expectations of you that are untrue. Since there's no better word for who you are and what defines you, you call for a more pure use of the word lesbian. Do I get that right?

The fact just is; language is a social happening. All those women that consider themselves lesbian, because they
-consider the core to the word is sexual attraction to women only,
-don't see it as attraction to male or female bodyparts
-nor define it as abstinence from internal vaginal pleasure
-fail to see your logic in finding the like for toys comparable to real penis,
that word is not going to change them nor is it going to change you for who you are.

You say that the only correct word for attraction to vulva and penis is bisexual. Yet many will disagree. They consider bisexuality as the sexual attraction to both men and women. So they say; "well that doesn't apply to me cause I don't feel sexually attracted to men, which means I'm lesbian". Then they're living up to their definition and the definition many give to the word. From that social perspective, saying you're bisexual means that the men have a chance of becoming your next lover as well. By saying they're lesbian, these women make clear they don't create such wrong expectations, since they aren't sexually attracted to men at all.

A word gains it's meaning through function, defined by social interaction. It's definition may change over time. And at this point; social interaction could be working against your opinion and definition. Just don't let them get to you with their perspectives of "normal", stay true to who you are and enjoy it!

On a sidenote back to the toys; I don't think there's anything wrong in pleasing your own body with whatever tool at hand (including hands itself!). Sucking things stimulates highly sensitive tissue in your mouth. Add flavor and you're sucking a lollipop or popsicle. Nothing obscene or phallus-like about it in essence. It just needs to be of approximate size and shape to fit in your mouth. From a certain point of view; a dildo could be considered a mold of an extended vagina, made to fit for a woman's pleasure:rolleyes: So what that mother nature thought of it first by engineering penises the way she did! ;) The dildo sure isn't getting any pleasure or love from the play; it's senseless and emotionless. Only the woman feels good through it. And even: someone pleasing another woman with whatever tool, can off course feel good through pleasing her lover. Isn't pleasing eachother what making love is all about? And fingers are just human body-parts, not even gender specific, they're just yours and yours to use in whatever way you like. Just like your vagina is yours. I'm not telling you to explore your vagina. By all means; only do what you like and want to do! Let others do what they want in whatever way pleases them. As long as we're talking consenting adults, no harm. It sure doesn't make people "tainted".

EDIT: Firmus, you beat me to it again!!! Luckily I had more to say this time :)

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 14:10

#14

OK, Kas, you are offended because some woman who calls herself a lesbian enjoys playing with a candle. Your choice. That does not make it so. I turned to my usual authority on matters sexual, Guttmacher Institute (check it out all before going on erroneous rants), and tried to find a good article on lesbian heterosexual activity. I did not find a really satisfactory one in the five minutes I spent but did find some insights.

Three quarters of all women who define themselves as lesbian have engaged in heterosexual intercourse. This was from a self-reported survey in a magazine. These are notoriously non-scientific but that figure is strong argument supporting my statement that offends you as a lesbian. A better academic study found no difference in heterosexual behaviour among late adolescent among those who identified themselves as lesbian, straight or bi. The differences that were found included the lesbians were less likely to have used protection and more likely to become pregnant.

I shall continue to seek more definitive studies but your being offended by women who play with dildos calling themselves lesbian is not shared by many. It was a "pure" lesbian who first introduced me to a double-ended dildo. Not enjoyable to me, but I am certain she has friends with whom it is shared happily.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 16:54

(Reply to #14) #15

[QUOTE=Brandye;274723]OK, Kas, you are offended because some woman who calls herself a lesbian enjoys playing with a candle. Your choice. That does not make it so. I turned to my usual authority on matters sexual, Guttmacher Institute (check it out all before going on erroneous rants), and tried to find a good article on lesbian heterosexual activity. I did not find a really satisfactory one in the five minutes I spent but did find some insights.

Three quarters of all women who define themselves as lesbian have engaged in heterosexual intercourse. This was from a self-reported survey in a magazine. These are notoriously non-scientific but that figure is strong argument supporting my statement that offends you as a lesbian. A better academic study found no difference in heterosexual behaviour among late adolescent among those who identified themselves as lesbian, straight or bi. The differences that were found included the lesbians were less likely to have used protection and more likely to become pregnant.

I shall continue to seek more definitive studies but your being offended by women who play with dildos calling themselves lesbian is not shared by many. It was a "pure" lesbian who first introduced me to a double-ended dildo. Not enjoyable to me, but I am certain she has friends with whom it is shared happily.[/QUOTE]

Lesbians who have had sex with men, straight men who have had sex with men....Honestly, this is nonsense. If they are lesbians, and like WOMEN ONLY, then why they let themselves be covered by the sweat of a man?!!! I don't see the logical connection. If you don't like men you don't have sex with them. The idea simply grosses you out.

There's a keyword in your post: define THEMSELVES; there's a mismatch between what they say about themselves and what they did or do.

And you can be sure that your friend is everything but a "pure" lesbian. She must love penis a lot to use a double ended dildo.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 17:07

(Reply to #12) #16

[QUOTE=Firmus;274720]Maybe I'm just weird then, but I think that sexual orientation is a "who you like" not a "what you've done" statement. I mean, if your girlfriend penetrated you with a finger, and you liked it, I don't thing that your whole lesbian life is now a sham. It just means that new nerves were lovingly touched on a woman, by a woman. Same would go for a cylindrical object. Just because female genitals are built in such a way as to easily accept cylindrical objects doesnt mean you are bisexual if you do that.[/QUOTE]

You are not weird at all, it's exactly what I think too. If you like men, you like penis. If you like dildos, you like penis. If you like fingers inside of you, you like dildos because the only difference between dildos and fingers is size. They have the same purpose. Penetration (if they are inside). And if you like penetration you like penis. And female genitals are not built to accept a penis. The real sexual organ of a woman is clitoris, which is the first organ a girl discovers in her first exploration of her body.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 17:35

#17

nuttychick

Kasparova...so a woman who likes "a lot" of cunninglingus must surely be a lesbian?:rolleyes::p

[QUOTE=Kasparova;274727] And female genitals are not built to accept a penis. .[/QUOTE]
Sorry but the above statement has me shaking my head...

You obviously have a great hatred for the "Penis" and maybe what it is attactched to.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 18:39

(Reply to #16) #18

[QUOTE=Kasparova;274727]And female genitals are not built to accept a penis.[/QUOTE]
Huh??? I'm just as surprised as Nutty here... What do you mean by that? :confused:

Off course I agree that among other functions, it's mainly built as a passage for babies from womb to world and designed for that;) There's just usually a minor prequel of a penis entering to make the pregnancy happen:rolleyes: Not necessarily through penis-penetration, there are detours, but it seems kinda designed for it.

You're right that orgasms are most likely to happen through clitoral stimulation. But vaginal stimulation sure can too be orgasmic. It is even proven to be different from clitoral. http://www.sexinfo101.com/forum/news/30559-female-orgasm-stimulation-loc... Meaning that even though a vagina has few nerve-endings -baby coming through!- it seems also designed for our pleasure. All pleasure is good for mind body and soul :)

[QUOTE=Kasparova;274727]The real sexual organ of a woman is clitoris, which is the first organ a girl discovers in her first exploration of her body.[/QUOTE]
Actually; a penis is more like an over-developed clitoris and all babies basically begin as female in utero.
I discovered my vagina first as a 4-year old, followed by my clitoris soon after. I don't know if there's ever been research on what people really discover first -if they remember. Do you know of such research given your claim?

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:47

(Reply to #13) #19

[QUOTE=RedRoses;274721]Thank you for explaining that. I think I understand what you're trying to say. I can see how the part "I am a lesbian and this means that I potentially like penis too" opens up a lot of doors, you don't want to be open. Perhaps even more important; a different definition to the word lesbian, stigmatizes you as something else than who you are. It creates expectations of you that are untrue. Since there's no better word for who you are and what defines you, you call for a more pure use of the word lesbian. Do I get that right?

The fact just is; language is a social happening. All those women that consider themselves lesbian, because they
-consider the core to the word is sexual attraction to women only,
-don't see it as attraction to male or female bodyparts
-nor define it as abstinence from internal vaginal pleasure
-fail to see your logic in finding the like for toys comparable to real penis,
that word is not going to change them nor is it going to change you for who you are.

You say that the only correct word for attraction to vulva and penis is bisexual. Yet many will disagree. They consider bisexuality as the sexual attraction to both men and women. So they say; "well that doesn't apply to me cause I don't feel sexually attracted to men, which means I'm lesbian". Then they're living up to their definition and the definition many give to the word. From that social perspective, saying you're bisexual means that the men have a chance of becoming your next lover as well. By saying they're lesbian, these women make clear they don't create such wrong expectations, since they aren't sexually attracted to men at all.

A word gains it's meaning through function, defined by social interaction. It's definition may change over time. And at this point; social interaction could be working against your opinion and definition. Just don't let them get to you with their perspectives of "normal", stay true to who you are and enjoy it!

On a sidenote back to the toys; I don't think there's anything wrong in pleasing your own body with whatever tool at hand (including hands itself!). Sucking things stimulates highly sensitive tissue in your mouth. Add flavor and you're sucking a lollipop or popsicle. Nothing obscene or phallus-like about it in essence. It just needs to be of approximate size and shape to fit in your mouth. From a certain point of view; a dildo could be considered a mold of an extended vagina, made to fit for a woman's pleasure:rolleyes: So what that mother nature thought of it first by engineering penises the way she did! ;) The dildo sure isn't getting any pleasure or love from the play; it's senseless and emotionless. Only the woman feels good through it. And even: someone pleasing another woman with whatever tool, can off course feel good through pleasing her lover. Isn't pleasing eachother what making love is all about? And fingers are just human body-parts, not even gender specific, they're just yours and yours to use in whatever way you like. Just like your vagina is yours. I'm not telling you to explore your vagina. By all means; only do what you like and want to do! Let others do what they want in whatever way pleases them. As long as we're talking consenting adults, no harm. It sure doesn't make people "tainted".

EDIT: Firmus, you beat me to it again!!! Luckily I had more to say this time :)[/QUOTE]

First of all, forgive me if I make grammar mistakes. I'm not a native speaker of English. I'll try to write as good as you.

You said bisexuality is attration to both men and women. But what defines men and women? Penis(men) and vulva(women) of course! (I'm feeling like an awkward mother trying to explain her little daughter how adults make babies!). If men had vulva and women penis, it would be really weird.

If "fake lesbians" like penis shaped objects, and penetration of any kind, they must like penises too. They don't like women only. I adore the body of a woman and the mere thought of a naked man with his willie exposed, makes me vomit. And that's what makes a lesbian a lesbian.

Do you know why this myth of lesbians(not bisexuals) who use dildos was born? Because a man can't accept the fact that a woman can come without a penis. That's the reason why male pornography is full of prostitutes who use nothing else but dildos. Prostitutes that are aware of the fact that men masturbate thinking about them and they like it. Because they like men.

On the contrary, I can't think how a woman can come WITH a penis, because vagina is nothing compared to the clitoris which has more nerve endings that the penis itself.

And that's the reason why I get really angry when I hear that lesbians like dildos".

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:02

(Reply to #18) #20

[QUOTE=RedRoses;274730]Huh??? I'm just as surprised as Nutty here... What do you mean by that? :confused:

Off course I agree that among other functions, it's mainly built as a passage for babies from womb to world and designed for that;) There's just usually a minor prequel of a penis entering to make the pregnancy happen:rolleyes: Not necessarily through penis-penetration, there are detours, but it seems kinda designed for it.

You're right that orgasms are most likely to happen through clitoral stimulation. But vaginal stimulation sure can too be orgasmic. It is even proven to be different from clitoral. http://www.sexinfo101.com/forum/news/30559-female-orgasm-stimulation-loc... Meaning that even though a vagina has few nerve-endings -baby coming through!- it seems also designed for our pleasure. All pleasure is good for mind body and soul :)

Actually; a penis is more like an over-developed clitoris and all babies basically begin as female in utero.
I discovered my vagina first as a 4-year old, followed by my clitoris soon after. I don't know if there's ever been research on what people really discover first -if they remember. Do you know of such research given your claim?[/QUOTE]

I said that vagina wasn't built for accepting a penis because the first time for a straight and bisexual woman is painful (that's what they said to me).
And you're in the minority when you say that you discovered your vagina when you were 4 years old. I discovered the existence of the vagina through a porn video when I was 19; before that video I thought that heterosexual intercourse consisted in rubbing the penis against the clitoris.

Clitoris is an external organ, so is more simple to find.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:03

(Reply to #17) #21

[QUOTE=nuttychick;274728]Kasparova...so a woman who likes "a lot" of cunninglingus must surely be a lesbian?:rolleyes::p

Sorry but the above statement has me shaking my head...

You obviously have a great hatred for the "Penis" and maybe what it is attactched to.[/QUOTE]

Of course I don't like penis! I'M A GAY WOMAN!!!

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:25

#22

Kas,

Your English is quite good and two of the other women posting in this thread also use English as a second language.

Everyone else,

Our chains are being yanked. There is no logic below the surface of what is being said about lesbians. And Kas disregards any logic directed at her. I shall waste no more time on this.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 10:30

#23

Just a few things before I give up...

[QUOTE=Kasparova;274735]I said that vagina wasn't built for accepting a penis because the first time for a straight and bisexual woman is painful (that's what they said to me).[/quote]
A first time penetration shouldn't hurt. It just takes proper preparation. Read; being highly aroused, deeply relaxed and not just feeling ready, but wanting it. There are several stickies about it in the "new to sex"-part of the forum. I know this will not interest you personally, but perhaps you're curious to hear the contrary to your friends' horror stories. My first time was absolutely wonderful btw.

[QUOTE=Kasparova;274735]And you're in the minority when you say that you discovered your vagina when you were 4 years old. I discovered the existence of the vagina through a porn video when I was 19; before that video I thought that heterosexual intercourse consisted in rubbing the penis against the clitoris.[/quote]
Physical exploration and even masturbation isn't rare for young children to do as part of healthy development. It's just that parents too often respond so negative to it; it scares them. Children asking questions about sex is also very natural. Most likely; if a child doesn't know the ins and outs of sex by the time it reaches puberty, it means the parents responded with reluctance or even anger, ignored the questions or answered them at a level the child didn't understand. Children are very keen on picking up signals and stop asking.

That is what I've learned in university while taking classes on child-development. I wouldn't be surprised if girls would find the clitoris first, I just don't know of any records that confirms it. O, and please know that pornography is a bad teacher when it comes to sex. Even though a penis does enter a vagina, the rest is all a charade and just as unreal as any other Hollywood blockbuster. But I'm sure you knew that; regular lesbian porn can't seem real to you either, does it? :)

[QUOTE=Kasparova;274735]the mere thought of a naked man with his willie exposed, makes me vomit.[/quote]
O my... such disgust makes me wonder what could have happened to you to hate the human body of the opposite gender like that?

I mean; my mother hated men, caused by years of physical, emotional and mental abuse in marriage. Even though I've been through some experiences that could have perhaps made me feel likewise [abusive father, men-hating mother, victim of attempted rape as a child]; I think people are essentially beautiful; no matter what gender, color of skin, religion, sexual orientation, etc. A man is not a penis. Just like a woman is not a vulva. A (wo)man is above all other things a human-being, a person.

[QUOTE=Kasparova;274735]First of all, forgive me if I make grammar mistakes. I'm not a native speaker of English. I'll try to write as good as you. [/quote]
Well thank you, I try too :) And don't worry; there are people from all across the world active at this forum.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 20:19

(Reply to #23) #24

I don't hate men (my best friend is a boy), I don't like penis, this is quite different.

If you are a straight woman you don't like vulva, but that doesn't mean that you have been mistreated by a woman.

The thing is that bisexuals like penis and for this reason they love dildos too. And that's all.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 20:23

#25

I think it is neither dildos or the penis that Kasparova dislikes, it is what is attached to the penis that she hates. - MEN.
this saddens me as I am a man and I have a penis. Kasp - do you need a hug :)

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 21:05

(Reply to #25) #26

[QUOTE=ludaje;274762]I think it is neither dildos or the penis that Kasparova dislikes, it is what is attached to the penis that she hates. - MEN.
this saddens me as I am a man and I have a penis. Kasp - do you need a hug :)[/QUOTE]

NO I DON'T LIKE PENIS AND I CONSIDER MEN FRIENDS AND BROTHERS!!! and certainly I don't need a hug from you. Maybe from your girlfriend!!!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 21:07

(Reply to #26) #27

[QUOTE=Kasparova;274765]NO I DON'T LIKE PENIS AND I CONSIDER MEN FRIENDS AND BROTHERS!!! and certainly I don't need a hug from you. Maybe from your girlfriend!!![/QUOTE]

Kasp. You have a lot of anger in you Italian veins. Have you ever considered meditation. I am sorry that you dont want a hug from me. I would really like to hug you:)

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 21:19

(Reply to #27) #28

[QUOTE=ludaje;274766]Kasp. You have a lot of anger in you Italian veins. Have you ever considered meditation. I am sorry that you dont want a hug from me. I would really like to hug you:)[/QUhttp://www.sexinfo101.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=274766OTE]

My form of meditation is an incredible clitoral orgasm with my girlfriend!:D. Sorry if I don't want to hug you. But I know many gay men that would be delighted to hold you in a tight embrace!!!:p

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 21:29

(Reply to #28) #29

My form of meditation is an incredible clitoral orgasm with my girlfriend!:D. Sorry if I don't want to hug you. But I know many gay men that would be delighted to hold you in a tight embrace!!!:p[/QUOTE]

Kasp, I am glad that your girlfriend is so good in bed, I hope you are as kind to her:) Although I am a straight man, I have no hatred towards the gay community. I would love to hug all your gay friends, men and women:)

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 21:46

#30

Kasp, Have you gone to sleep:(

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 21:51

#31

Kas, I asked you this, because you wrote the sight of a naked man would make you vomit. Well that's alot more than "dislike". That speaks of anger and hatred, perhaps fear. If you'd been a straight woman saying this about other women, I would have asked the same. It would make it kinda inconvenient if straight women would respond that way, given standard lockerrooms arrangements; would require a lot of daily clean-up ;)

A naked body isn't in the first place a sign of lust or sexuality. It's simply you the way you are and it holds just as many meanings and intention as with clothes on.

Brothers and friends can hug too, btw :) I hug with male and female friends regardless of their sexual orrientation, none of who I'm romantically involved with and none sexually intended. It just depends on the person; some people are more "huggy" than others.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 21:52

(Reply to #30) #32

[QUOTE=ludaje;274770]Kasp, Have you gone to sleep:([/QUOTE]

No I'm awake. So, you are a straight man. I'm very curious to know what you think about men who love to be penetrated by women with dildos.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 21:57

#33

We are being played, ludaje, ignore it.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 21:58

(Reply to #32) #34

[QUOTE=Kasparova;274773]No I'm awake. So, you are a straight man. I'm very curious to know what you think about men who love to be penetrated by women with dildos.[/QUOTE]

Well Kasp, it is simple, there is nothing wrong with anything that happens in the bedroom as long as both parties consent and enjoy. It would not be my cup of tea but who am I to judge, My thing is straight sex, yours is lesbian sex. Our common denominator is sex so just enjoy and let others enjoy too :)

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 22:07

(Reply to #8) #35

latina7

[QUOTE=Kasparova;274709]Sorry, but "true lesbians" and "sex with men" cannot be in the same sentence together. I would never have sex with a man. Never. Because I'm a real lesbian.

The "feeling of fullness" it's a thing that only bi women like, because they also like penis. Lesbians are perfectly satisfied with their clitoral orgasms (which is the most common orgasm a woman can have, if not the only one) .

You said labels are meaningless. But you are using them too. So let's use them right. Let's call a spade a spade.[/QUOTE]

I soooo disagree with this statement that women only have clitoral orgasms. I personally have a G-spot orgasm everyday with either my husband or my G-spot vibrator that I love so much that I sell it called Thumbs Up....U should try it, doesn't look like a penis at all stimulates ur clitoris and G-spot at the same time.... Every women needs to experience a G-spot orgasm....No Lie!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 22:08

#36

Kasp, Cant hang around all night. You know some of us have work to get up for:(

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 22:25

(Reply to #31) #37

[QUOTE=RedRoses;274771]Kas, I asked you this, because you wrote the sight of a naked man would make you vomit. Well that's alot more than "dislike". That speaks of anger and hatred, perhaps fear. If you'd been a straight woman saying this about other women, I would have asked the same. It would make it kinda inconvenient if straight women would respond that way, given standard lockerrooms arrangements; would require a lot of daily clean-up ;)

A naked body isn't in the first place a sign of lust or sexuality. It's simply you the way you are and it holds just as many meanings and intention as with clothes on.

Brothers and friends can hug too, btw :) I hug with male and female friends regardless of their sexual orrientation, none of who I'm romantically involved with and none sexually intended. It just depends on the person; some people are more "huggy" than others.[/QUOTE]

RedRoses I love the way you use words! You are very persuasive. You could sell sour milk to a cow!

Anyway, disgust is something physical, hatred is a feeling. I don't hate men; If my parents had divorced and if I were underange, I would have chosen to live with my father, because I love him with all my heart. I tell you this to dissipate your doubts about my feeling towards men.

And yes, I Know a hug it's only a hug; but if someone asks you to hug him with a sexual tone in his voice, it's not a hug anymore. The context is important. Don't you think?

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 22:26

(Reply to #33) #38

[QUOTE=Brandye;274775]We are being played, ludaje, ignore it.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean by this?:confused:

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 22:30

(Reply to #34) #39

[QUOTE=ludaje;274777]Well Kasp, it is simple, there is nothing wrong with anything that happens in the bedroom as long as both parties consent and enjoy. It would not be my cup of tea but who am I to judge, My thing is straight sex, yours is lesbian sex. Our common denominator is sex so just enjoy and let others enjoy too :)[/QUOTE]

So, you don't think a man is straight if he uses plastic penis? And forgive me If I'm so slow; I'm not English. I try to be as fast as possible with a massive vocabulary in my arms!!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 22:33

(Reply to #39) #40

[QUOTE=Kasparova;274783]So, you don't think a man is straight if he uses plastic penis? And forgive me If I'm so slow; I'm not English. I try to be as fast as possible with a massive vocabulary in my arms!![/QUOTE]

Kasp, You are a complicated person. I did not say that a man is either straight or gay if he uses a sex toy.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 22:49

(Reply to #40) #41

[QUOTE=ludaje;274784]Kasp, You are a complicated person. I did not say that a man is either straight or gay if he uses a sex toy.[/QUOTE]

Bisexual, maybe? And remember, he's using a toy which looks like a penis....

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 23:58

#42

This thread brings the lulz. Where is my "cool story bro" image?

A womans vagina IS designed fo sex. Just because it hurts the first time doesn't mean its not mean fo it. The first time you get teeth in your mouth it hurts. So your mouth isn't meant for teeth. It hurts when I stretch out in the morning and straighten my legs. Guess my legs aren't meant to straighten. When I am constipated bowel movements hurt. Guess I'm not supposed to use the bathroom.

Your as bad as the "there is no such thing as a bisexual, just a gay/lesbian who won't admit it". I once went through a phase where the thought of a penis was arousing. It was a simple curiousity. I actually am straight and have no interest in having sex with men. I can walk around a locker room full of men and feel absolutely NOTHING. Hell I can talk to a guy while in the showers at the gym and I don't find it awkward or arousing.

My uncle was gay. He was "born" gay. He dated a woman and they tried having kids. Not because they were aroused by each other. They wanted kids. So your going to rob him of his title because he wanted to reproduce? Shame on you. You a bitter owman who just plain HATES men. That's where this comes from. Its funny how you (1 person) will come onto this forum with your experience (again 1 persons experience) and say how nobody else in this wold who's lesbian (millions) use dildos and if they do they're bisexual.

Go troll some other forum. Your writing are ludicrous.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 00:00

(Reply to #41) #43

RedRoses I want to ask you something...You said a man is not a penis and a woman is not a vulva. Of course I know human beings are not only genitals. They feel love, sadness, joy, melancholy...

But you love your man because he has a penis, don't you;)? If he had a vulva he wouldn't be your lover, he (or maybe "she" would be more appropriate) would be your friend. You love his virility because it makes you happy! You wouldn't love someone with female bodyparts. And I wouldn't love someone with male bodyparts because I love the softness of a woman's body, her flesh, her personality, her voice, her way of making cofee, her vulnerability...EVERYTHING.

Not a plastic penis.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 00:20

(Reply to #42) #44

[QUOTE=Ducy;274787]This thread brings the lulz. Where is my "cool story bro" image?

A womans vagina IS designed fo sex. Just because it hurts the first time doesn't mean its not mean fo it. The first time you get teeth in your mouth it hurts. So your mouth isn't meant for teeth. It hurts when I stretch out in the morning and straighten my legs. Guess my legs aren't meant to straighten. When I am constipated bowel movements hurt. Guess I'm not supposed to use the bathroom.

Your as bad as the "there is no such thing as a bisexual, just a gay/lesbian who won't admit it". I once went through a phase where the thought of a penis was arousing. It was a simple curiousity. I actually am straight and have no interest in having sex with men. I can walk around a locker room full of men and feel absolutely NOTHING. Hell I can talk to a guy while in the showers at the gym and I don't find it awkward or arousing.

My uncle was gay. He was "born" gay. He dated a woman and they tried having kids. Not because they were aroused by each other. They wanted kids. So your going to rob him of his title because he wanted to reproduce? Shame on you. You a bitter owman who just plain HATES men. That's where this comes from. Its funny how you (1 person) will come onto this forum with your experience (again 1 persons experience) and say how nobody else in this wold who's lesbian (millions) use dildos and if they do they're bisexual.

Go troll some other forum. Your writing are ludicrous.[/QUOTE]

Dear Ducy, RELAX. Penetration is not something that you can't avoid like when you get teeth in your mouth. Penetration is something that you do voluntarily. And childbirth? Is it enjoyable and funny?

If the thought of a penis makes you aroused, then you are a bisexual.

I don't know why you are so unkind to me. Maybe you can't simply accept the truth.

I don't hate men, but maybe you hate women. And for the umptheenth time, someone who doesn't like penis (lesbians and straight men) doesn't like dildos too.

YOU are trolling with your rudeness.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 01:32

#45

You my dear are unaware of what a troll is. I am NOT bisexual. I am not into men, I do not find the thought of anal enjoyable. I don't find men enjoyable. I even prefer the company of women. I can admire a nice penis. I mean its impressive. I have no intent to do anything with it. I grew up in a closed of religious family. I never saw a penis other than mine. That's why the thought was arousing. It was "forbidden fruit". Then I saw one at a party (guy blacked out drunk everyone stole his clothes). Totally uninterested after looking.

And yes many people find childbirth amazing. Some women have orgasms from them.

How do I hate women? Because I hate self righteous "lesbians" who come on here and impose their own ideals and tell everyone that they are wrong for identifying as gay or lesbian when they enjoy penetration?

That is foolish. I love women. I'm like an animal when it comes to women, most of the time I can't help but stare.

You "hurt my feelings" by saying these things and "lying" about what makes a lesbian.

And fyi. Sex and penetration is NOT a voluntary thing. If you have ever felt the urgings of your genetic coding then you know that it is nigh impossible (save deep psychological condition or issues such as prior rape or religious fanatacism)

The proof is in the fact of my past virgin girlfriends, who after a proper amount of foreplay, begged to be penetrated, even though it hurt. They literally would pull me into them or get on top and just drop. They were so overwhelmed my their animal instincts nothing would stop them (not even my friends walking in on us in one instance.)

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 12:11

(Reply to #45) #46

[QUOTE=Ducy;274791]You my dear are unaware of what a troll is. I am NOT bisexual. I am not into men, I do not find the thought of anal enjoyable. I don't find men enjoyable. I even prefer the company of women. I can admire a nice penis. I mean its impressive. I have no intent to do anything with it. I grew up in a closed of religious family. I never saw a penis other than mine. That's why the thought was arousing. It was "forbidden fruit". Then I saw one at a party (guy blacked out drunk everyone stole his clothes). Totally uninterested after looking.

And yes many people find childbirth amazing. Some women have orgasms from them.

How do I hate women? Because I hate self righteous "lesbians" who come on here and impose their own ideals and tell everyone that they are wrong for identifying as gay or lesbian when they enjoy penetration?

That is foolish. I love women. I'm like an animal when it comes to women, most of the time I can't help but stare.

You "hurt my feelings" by saying these things and "lying" about what makes a lesbian.

And fyi. Sex and penetration is NOT a voluntary thing. If you have ever felt the urgings of your genetic coding then you know that it is nigh impossible (save deep psychological condition or issues such as prior rape or religious fanatacism)

The proof is in the fact of my past virgin girlfriends, who after a proper amount of foreplay, begged to be penetrated, even though it hurt. They literally would pull me into them or get on top and just drop. They were so overwhelmed my their animal instincts nothing would stop them (not even my friends walking in on us in one instance.)[/QUOTE]

I thought a troll was somone who offend other users. Anyway, why don't we analyse this problem without being unkind to each other?

I said penetration is a voluntary thing because the first sexual organ of a woman is clitoris, which is a lot more sensitive than the vagina. Like your penis is more sensitive than you anus. Why am I supposed to like penetration if I don't like penis and I always come with my clit? I love sex, I'm an atheist and I have no psychological problems of any kind.

You said I hurt your feelings....But you are not a lesbian, don't you?:o

I wrote this post to tell an undeniable truth: someone who likes penis is not a lesbian. Someone who likes dildos likes penis.

And I can assure you: they LOVE it. "Lesbian" erotic literature is full of sentences such as(sorry, I don't want to be vulgar but I have to tell you this): "She put her 10'' c*ck in me", "suck my c*ck w*ore", "she stuck the d*ck in her and fu*ked her like a dog from behind".

Isn't it obvious that they love penis? Isn't a contradiction saying that you are a lesbian and loving penis?!

Its like saying: "I'm a vegetarian but I eat meat every single day of my life"!!!!

And childbirth IS painful and even in 2011, women can DIE because of it.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 12:46

(Reply to #43) #47

[QUOTE=Kasparova;274788]RedRoses I want to ask you something...You said a man is not a penis and a woman is not a vulva. Of course I know human beings are not only genitals. They feel love, sadness, joy, melancholy...

But you love your man because he has a penis, don't you;)? If he had a vulva he wouldn't be your lover, he (or maybe "she" would be more appropriate) would be your friend. You love his virility because it makes you happy! You wouldn't love someone with female bodyparts. And I wouldn't love someone with male bodyparts because I love the softness of a woman's body, her flesh, her personality, her voice, her way of making cofee, her vulnerability...EVERYTHING.

Not a plastic penis.[/QUOTE]

Kasp, I'm sorry to say you've just asked the one person you probably shouldn't have asked this. I do not feel sexually attracted to men or women. There's only one person that has made me feel that way. Before him; I thought I was asexual, because I lacked every sexual desire. Nowadays I love sex and I'm multi-orgasmic; how cool is that! :) I honestly believe I would have desired him sexually and loved him, just as easily if he were a she. I've written about it on several occasions on this forum. This post sums it up rather nicely; http://www.sexinfo101.com/forum/member-polls/29932-where-do-you-fit-kins...

Sure it's a bit complicated in a gender-focused society. But really; this is something I usually don't tell people. They just label me hetero based on my relationship. And if my next lover happens to be female, they'll label me bi. It doesn't matter; I'm just me and happy to be here :)

So far there's only one clear advantage of a male partner to me; conception through sex. I've wanted children for far longer than I've wanted sex. And since I've come to enjoy sex so tremendously, I've been looking forward to conceive through love, passion and joy. But I'm sure that if my next partner is female and just as thrilled of becoming parent as I am, we'll find a way to make pregnancy happen. After all; wanting to become a parent is probably a more important part of the deal than physiology ;)

I've contemplated on pointing my sexual orientation out to you before, but figured it wasn't of much relevance. I hope you won't twist it in some way. Perhaps it's something to make you think outside the box.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 13:13

#48

[quote]>>And yes many people find childbirth amazing. Some women have orgasms from them.
**And childbirth IS painful and even in 2011, women can DIE because of it.[/quote]

Childbirth is an experience that transforms a woman. As she gives birth to her child, she is born as mother. It creates a memory that will stay with her for the rest of her life. And doula's around the world have made it their mission to protect a positive birth-experience. Yes, it's hard work, it causes pain and women can still die from it. But; the female body is designed for childbirth. Our physiology makes it possible to transform this experience into pain that doesn't hurt, pleasure and even orgasmic feelings.

See more in this thread: http://www.sexinfo101.com/forum/conception-pregnancy/28657-orgasmic-birt...
Or this website: [url=http://www.orgasmicbirth.com/]Welcome to Orgasmic Birth
There's also a book and a film, here's the trailer:[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siLbqthiTWo]Orgasmic Birth NEW Trailer - YouTube

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 13:27

#49

You can die having an orgams if you have a bad heart. You can die from childbirth through complications.

You ideals of conception is foolish. Your saying something the human body was designed for is completely wrong. Yes thousands and thousands of years of evolution is WRONG. HA. Humans have ben around for a LOOOOOOONG time. You've been around for...how long? Exactly.

Enjoying a finger doesn't mean you enjoy a penis. If she eats hot dogs does it mean shell enjoy blowwing men? I enjoy flexing and looking at myself in the mirror. Does it make me a narcissist (sp?) No. I do it to see my results and find flaws in my physique. I am currently smitten by a woman who lifts weights. In fact she squats 2 times her bodyweight. Does this mean she is going to compete in a powelifting meet? No. Just because some does or enjoys something doesn't mean that it will directly correlate to something else. Heavy weights doesn't equal powerlifting. Flexing doesn't equal nacissism. Hot dogs don't equal blow jobs. Fingers don't equal dicks. If that's the case then I'm soy about the dicks you have seen in life.

Mon, 10/24/2011 - 13:29

#50