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Fat guy ===== no love?

I have a few questions for the woman and men up here. Mostly the woman. As well as a rant.
I am for once in my life pouring everything inside of me out. Which is a lot if you couldn't tell by my username lol. I am 6.0 at 325 pounds. I have a very analytical personality. I like to observe peoples behavior. I recently started a new job with a very diverse crew of workers. I have been asked a thousand times do you have a girlfriend/wife. I always respond with a joke regarding my weight and walk away. But later on after work when I come home. I think about the day what I could do better at work...etc. Then comes the time that hits me I am alone. My co-workers are always talking about who they hung out with the night before after work and I have no one to hang out with I just go home and study. Now don't get me wrong I do work out. I workout 5 days a week. Plus my job has some physical aspects. I am losing weight. Last year at this time I was at 6.0 and 485 pounds. But what I can't understand is why it is that we have some big women at work and they have boyfriends. I being the big guy can't pick up anything. I am getting tired of hearing about how women don't judge men like men judge women. I have been told millions of times in life I have a awesome personality. There is one guy at work that all the women think is the hottest guy in the world. Of course he is skinny and has cut muscles. I always hear about how strong he is. Not true. True you can see his muscles but that doesn't mean strong. The other day this all cute girl was in the break room and got a bag of chips out of the machine. They got stuck. Mr. strength says I got ya baby. He starts trying to rock the machine to get them to drop. HE COULDN'T DO IT. How funny. I was sitting there reading some paperwork. I began laughing and said hold a second. Meanwhile Mr. Strength said I got it. Gets a wire coat hanger and starts straighting it. I was already getting up I put my hands shoulder width apart and lightly rocked the machine until the chips feel. She said thanks baby. I said anytime.She went up to Mr.Strength and grabbed his arm said well at least you tried. He was pissed ..He said well this guy has a lot of experiance getting food out of a machine. I just laughed and sat down to get back to my paperwork. I knew I got him good. That remark was funny it proved he felt defeated for a change. I later heard a bunch of the girls talking about the incident and they didn't believe her. They where like that lard ass is stronger that bryan (Mr Strength). I don't have cut arms but any dumb ass can figure out that if you are real small. You don't have to workout hard to see some muscle. I because I am bigger have to lift more to be able to see just a little muscle come out. Where as if I was bryans size you would be able to huge muscle.

I just don't get it. I am stronger than most of the skinny guys. I am confident but not cocky like them. I am begining to think that is what the issue is. I am not cocky. I have always had the belief that the empty can rattles the most.

So to the ladies up here I must ask.

What am I doing wrong? Do I need to be cocky?
I have always been seen as a great friend but not a boyfriend. I know being freakin huge isn't atractive. But I have always heard women are not skin deep like most men. Is there any truth in the previous statement. I guess if I was a women I would be a little embarassed to be seen with the "big guy". But I as a man have never been ashamed to be seen with the "big girl". Could some body just give me a little insight on this. I have always heard women as so caring. I always even back in high school was the guy the girls would come to when they needed a shoulder to cry on because suprise one of the other guys treated them like ****. I have always been the protector and always trusted. Later in life like now the guys come to me gripeing with stuff like "oh man she is really going to leave me now".........."hey man what would you do if you woman said she feels......." I tell them what I would do and it at least 8 out of 10 times works. I just can't quite understand why the hell it is that the women can't look at me and tell I won't try to break there heart. The same way they can look at me and trust me with thier relationship issues. Do women like hurting? God knows I am so tired of seeing beatiful eyes crying I don't know what to do. I know I must help them but at what point will I no longer be there therapist? I thought women wanted a guy they could trust,that respected them. I can understand my size having something to do with it I guess. But at what point should I start thinking it is something other than my weight? This stuff never used to bother me. But the more I look around the more I notice I must be the only single person in the world. There is a christmas party that I did get invited to. I really want to go but I saw the guest list and I am the only single person on the list. I can't bear to be the only loser on the list that doesn't have a girlfriend or wife again. It makes everything so bad. So I guess I won't go. I will stay home and play guitar I suppose. I love music. I think everything has a song. When I feel the way I feel right now. I enjoy playing songs like "Behind blue eyes" by The Who..... or "Give a little bit."

Anyway if anyone has any tips or suggestions I would owe you a big one.

I guess it boils down to one last question.

Am I too big for love?
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Old 12-06-2006, 09:18 PM
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What am I doing wrong? Do I need to be cocky?
I have always been seen as a great friend but not a boyfriend. I know being freakin huge isn't atractive. But I have always heard women are not skin deep like most men. Is there any truth in the previous statement. I guess if I was a women I would be a little embarassed to be seen with the "big guy". But I as a man have never been ashamed to be seen with the "big girl". Could some body just give me a little insight on this. I have always heard women as so caring. I always even back in high school was the guy the girls would come to when they needed a shoulder to cry on because suprise one of the other guys treated them like ****. I have always been the protector and always trusted. Later in life like now the guys come to me gripeing with stuff like "oh man she is really going to leave me now".........."hey man what would you do if you woman said she feels......." I tell them what I would do and it at least 8 out of 10 times works. I just can't quite understand why the hell it is that the women can't look at me and tell I won't try to break there heart. The same way they can look at me and trust me with thier relationship issues. Do women like hurting? God knows I am so tired of seeing beatiful eyes crying I don't know what to do. I know I must help them but at what point will I no longer be there therapist? I thought women wanted a guy they could trust,that respected them. I can understand my size having something to do with it I guess. But at what point should I start thinking it is something other than my weight? This stuff never used to bother me. But the more I look around the more I notice I must be the only single person in the world. There is a christmas party that I did get invited to. I really want to go but I saw the guest list and I am the only single person on the list. I can't bear to be the only loser on the list that doesn't have a girlfriend or wife again. It makes everything so bad. So I guess I won't go. I will stay home and play guitar I suppose. I love music. I think everything has a song. When I feel the way I feel right now. I enjoy playing songs like "Behind blue eyes" by The Who..... or "Give a little bit."

Anyway if anyone has any tips or suggestions I would owe you a big one.

I guess it boils down to one last question.

Am I too big for love?
Well I've got to give you cudo's for being upfront here and not whining about how your self esteem is getting slammed...shows you are a pretty well grounded guy!..no you don't have to be cocky...you HAVE to be YOU!!...it's quite obvious from what you write...you are a good listener and you are empathetic for people...those are two very good qualities..People feel that talking to you is a "safe place to land"...that is important!!..You work out 5 times a week and I'm thinking that it happens at a gym??..there might be some ladies there that might be on the same quest that you are...they could be good work out buddies and from there you might meet someone??..Anyone that can continue to keep a work out regime shows dedication!!..You see...you have alot of EXCELLENT people qualities...OK..you admit you aren't Fabio...when people meet...they usually have a visual conception of a person...eye candy sort of speaking...but what's the point of excellent eye candy if they have the personality of brick??..You've got a lot going for you...more than you see actually...it's going to take some time...and for sure..its going to take meeting the right gal...but trust me...she's out there!!...100% sure of that..keep trying and keep being YOU...because really at the end of the day...you really have to be able to say to yourself that you are happy with who you are...you are working hard on the physical part...it'll take time...I feel sorry for the people that have the total "looks" package and have NO HOPE IN HELL of getting any better with personality...or with people skills...you won't believe this..but it's easier to get down in size, than it EVER does getting a great personality!!...you are ahead of the game pal !!...Good Luck!!
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sorry about the problem but it seems to work better when i dont baby her and i try and compete with her some
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sorry about the problem but it seems to work better when i dont baby her and i try and compete with her some
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OK, in nature the best of the breed mate. The odd balls fall by the way side and eventually get left out of the gene pool. That’s just nature.

If a woman is looking for a long term relationship she should be looking at the big picture. Bottom-line; is this guy going to be a good provider, good father, and will he be there until the end. You have a job, that’s good. You are over weight and odds are your children will be overweight as well, that’s not good. By being so heavy odds are, as you get older you are going to have some serious health issues. The risk of heart attack and cancer go way up the heavier you are as you get older.

You also have to make yourself available, sometimes what you might think of as mean and selfish behavior by a pretty boy who gets all the women, might not be all that mean and selfish.

If someone projects from the very beginning who they are and what they are about, man or women, then I can respect that person. But if a person is always agreeable to everything and only goes with the flow, well you then you better be happy with where the flow is going to take you, odds are home alone.

You have to communicate up front what you want, if you want to be a friend then be a friend! Don’t secretly pine away and be in love while she always goes home with another man and cries on your shoulder. That’s what her girlfriends and gay friends are for, don’t be her fat friend. The gay friend and fat friend is the same thing someone she can have an emotional relationship with, by not have to worry about the sexual tension.

Best advice, loose the weight. But, do it only for you and your future. With your personality, that’s all you’re going to need.

If you like being heavy, don’t expect to get the 5’4” blonde that weights 110 pounds. Maybe you need to open you selection to other ethnic women who appreciate men who are heavy.
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I do not think you are too big for love, but I do think you need to get out there, be social, and flirt. It sounds like you try to be everyones friend - do you try to be the boyfriend? Do you ask girls out? Do you have friends? Why not try hanging out with some people from your work?

Your first step here is to become social and develop some friends, male or female doesn't matter. Having platonic friends is pretty important, will make you happier, and then they can help you meet girls. It will also boost your confidence just to have a group of friends. Then, go out with friends and try to find nice girls. You are going to have to pursue girls, rather than expecting them to come to you.

By the way, congratulations on your weightloss! That's fantasic, and keep up the good work. Yes, it will be easier to find a girlfriend if you are a little slimmer. Yes, often times there are those "hot", jerky guys who are actually pretty pathetic, as you described Bryan.

Personally, I'm not into cocky guys. My boyfriend is not overweight, in fact he's skinny, but he's not cocky and I didn't go out with him because of his looks. He liked me for a long time before I went out with him and always has considered me to be "out of his league". Well, I don't think I'm out of his league, but when we started going out I had a choice of a number of cocky, jerky, "hot" guys or a guy who actually liked and cared about me, shared my interests, and who was sensitive and sweet. I was his first girlfriend, because other girls had dismissed him as a quiet, nerdy, "friend" type. In fact, he's the best boyfriend imaginable, we're very much in love, and there's no one I'd rather have.

To me, looks only matter because you need to be attracted to someone who you wish to be romantically involved with. You don't have to be a magazine standard of attractiveness in order for someone to be attracted to you, though. I think many girls feel this way, but more immature ones are concerned about how other people will view their choice of companion, which makes them shallower.

So, don't stay at home and study all the time! If you don't want to try to hang out with your coworkers, then find a hobby. Form a band, start talking to people at the gym, join a club, take group guitar lessons, whatever it is that you want to do. You are isolating yourself from meeting people by just returning home and being lonely each night. Before you meet a girl, you should probably just meet some friends. Even if you are in a sexual, romantic relationship, you are going to need to have other interests, or she will feel stiffled and like you are too dependent on her. As the old saying goes, you can't love someone else until you love yourself. You need to have a life outside of a relationship, and outside of work or school.

Once you start meeting people, talk to more girls. Flirt with a cute girl at the coffee shop, at your work, wherever. You'd be surprised how it goes. I wish you the best of luck, and I hope this helped!
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I do not think you are too big for love, but I do think you need to get out there, be social, and flirt. It sounds like you try to be everyones friend - do you try to be the boyfriend? Do you ask girls out? Do you have friends? Why not try hanging out with some people from your work?

Your first step here is to become social and develop some friends, male or female doesn't matter. Having platonic friends is pretty important, will make you happier, and then they can help you meet girls. It will also boost your confidence just to have a group of friends. Then, go out with friends and try to find nice girls. You are going to have to pursue girls, rather than expecting them to come to you.

By the way, congratulations on your weightloss! That's fantasic, and keep up the good work. Yes, it will be easier to find a girlfriend if you are a little slimmer. Yes, often times there are those "hot", jerky guys who are actually pretty pathetic, as you described Bryan.

Personally, I'm not into cocky guys. My boyfriend is not overweight, in fact he's skinny, but he's not cocky and I didn't go out with him because of his looks. He liked me for a long time before I went out with him and always has considered me to be "out of his league". Well, I don't think I'm out of his league, but when we started going out I had a choice of a number of cocky, jerky, "hot" guys or a guy who actually liked and cared about me, shared my interests, and who was sensitive and sweet. I was his first girlfriend, because other girls had dismissed him as a quiet, nerdy, "friend" type. In fact, he's the best boyfriend imaginable, we're very much in love, and there's no one I'd rather have.

To me, looks only matter because you need to be attracted to someone who you wish to be romantically involved with. You don't have to be a magazine standard of attractiveness in order for someone to be attracted to you, though. I think many girls feel this way, but more immature ones are concerned about how other people will view their choice of companion, which makes them shallower.

So, don't stay at home and study all the time! If you don't want to try to hang out with your coworkers, then find a hobby. Form a band, start talking to people at the gym, join a club, take group guitar lessons, whatever it is that you want to do. You are isolating yourself from meeting people by just returning home and being lonely each night. Before you meet a girl, you should probably just meet some friends. Even if you are in a sexual, romantic relationship, you are going to need to have other interests, or she will feel stiffled and like you are too dependent on her. As the old saying goes, you can't love someone else until you love yourself. You need to have a life outside of a relationship, and outside of work or school.

Once you start meeting people, talk to more girls. Flirt with a cute girl at the coffee shop, at your work, wherever. You'd be surprised how it goes. I wish you the best of luck, and I hope this helped!
Thanks for the help everyone. I must say I am a wreck. I don't know when or why I turned into a shell of a man and started bitchin about problems. It seems jack daniels just doesn't help anymore. I have never been the type to have many friends. Which apparently is where I go wrong. I don't have much in common with a lot of the people around where I live. Most of them just want to smoke pot and think as long as they have a truck and a double wide trailer life is good. I am not that way at all. Which again may be where I am going wrong. Browneyes, I do have hobbies but they are not interesting hobbies. I used to have fun all the time. Its just not with hanging out with people my age because they like things that I can't stand. I am a student pilot with a bright career in the aeronautical realm. But around where I live nobody understands that. Which sometimes I curse the day I wanted to fly for a living. Being so long ago I can't really say when that day was. See I love to fly. But I also hate it. or I should say I hate what I have let it turn me into. What I mean by that is you said "you can't love someone else until you love yourself". Sad but true. I have in burned in my head some how I can't be liked until I have made it as a pilot with the six figure income and hot cars. I fear even then I will be alone as well. I hate what it has done to my mind. I have all my aviator friends telling me I have "got it" to become a damn good pilot. But if I had hung out with friends in high school. I am not so sure that would be the case. All my "friends" at school wanted me to go get high with them. I see what they have become now. Not what I want to be. However they do have the pleasure of coming home to someone. I know this won't make since to you when I say this but the other day was the day I soloed. Meaning the first major thing in aviation. You fly a plane by yourself for the first time. It is a day which every aviator will remember. A day that your family..friends...husbands....wifes come to see you achieve something very important. There is a ceremony where the tail of your shirt is cut and signed by your flight instructor. I and two others knew it was our day. One guy my age had his girlfriend there. He flew first and did 3 short shots around the pattern. When he landed his girlfriend ran out to ramp before the prop ever stopped turning to hug him. The second guy flew and his wife did the same she was in tears to see him doing something he worked so hard for. I took my turn and I was so happy but it hit me as I was getting out of the plane. There was no one there for me. It sucked I was happy to have soloed but the moment was killed by that feeling. The same feeling when I walk in the door from work. The same feeling that reminds me everyday that no matter what I do or how I act or what I say. Solitude is my destiny. I hate it. I have always wandered what I am doing wrong. Just to have had that moment where somebody would tell me how proud they are. Why the **** do I feel this need to help others and in the end it is what is hurting me. My instructor gets mad at me a lot. Instead of hanging out with the other two guys and there familys. I stood there long enough to get my shirt tail cut and signed. I didn't even get my photo taken with the plane. I figure I remeber it. I was there and if no one gave a **** to come see it they won't need to see a photo of it. I went back to the briefing room and began overviewing my performance that flight. I guess that was another form of me isolating myself. But I couldn't stand to be the social loser at the party one more time. So I wanted to review the tapes of the flight to see what I could have done better. I actually pointed out to my instructor 5 things I didn't do right. He was so mad strangely enough not at the fact I screwed up 5 times but the fact I was trying to find something. I just want to be the best at what I do. At work I get the same crap. After work I try to live the day over so I can see how I can do things better next time. I guess I am crazy as well. I just would like to have someone to share moments in time with. I would like to be part of someones life. I am tired of being that guy that smiles on the outside. I am tired of being that guy that if he was shot on the street nobody would notice being merely dust in the wind. I guess truly I am needy. I need someone to care about. There is one girl that I flirt with and I know she likes me a lot. I have heard her talking to one of her co-workers about me. She really wants me to ask her out. But I don't have a good car at the moment and I wouldn't ask a girl like her to ride in this pos I have now. I really like her a lot I just can't figure out why she likes me. Its so cute how she gets so nervous when I am around. She blushes like mad. Sometimes I think she blushes because she is embarassed when I flirt with her. I get pissed because some of her co-workers don't like her and joke about how ugly she is. It bugs me and I have come close to getting in some **** with one of the guys because I went to protect her. I just couldn't stand to see that sad look in her beautiful eyes. It pissed me off to see somebody try to hurt her. I guess basicly "gentle pull of your hair" said it best when he said women are looking for someone until the end. I would be there untill the end but because of my ****ed up gene pool the end woud be to early. Which is a comfort in a way.
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Toobig4luv - yeah you're out there in the HWP department but don't let that deter you fom getting out and hanging out with people. Flirting is permitted but you have to reek of confidence and not desperation. At your size, you need to cultivate the Teddybear image - someone warm, safe, and reliable that a woman can take to bed with her with complete confidence. Keep working out, get in some aerobics, and work on talking with women as people in addition to flirting with them. As for cocky, well, a man should have a set but he needn't wave them in the ladies' faces. I'd say be cool, not cocky.
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Okay buddy...you've dropped the gauntlet!!...girl interested in you?? Get after it NOW!!..who gives a flying phuck what you are driving??...she likes you!! she'll get over the wheels..I've already asked you...Are you happy with YOU at the end of the day??...who do YOU have to impress to make you happy??...if you can't make you happy...you are not going to make any one else happy...geezuz man...you've got personality,PLUS you got your pilots license...PLUS you have the guts to work out 5 times a week..you have things happening for yourself!!..I like your perfectionist attitude BUT...if you are letting on to others about this, this could be your achilles tendon...perhaps the ladies are more afraid about living up to YOUR expectations than they are afraid of dating someone your size??....Like I've said before...it looks like you are well grounded..show that you can be a fun guy and not judgemental and let the chips fall...Quit worrying about how important people are ....here's a little thing to always remember...this applies to Bill Gates also...How much will the world miss me if I'm gone....fill a glass 1/3 full of sand and rocks.and fill the rest of the glass with water,now take ONE granule of sand out..document how much the water has been displaced...that is exactly how much THIS WORLD will miss you and anybody!!(including yours truly)
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You need to stop beating yourself up. You don't need to be a social butterfly or anything. I've never had that many friends, either, but I do have a couple friends that I can call up if I want someone to hang out with. When it comes down to it, my boyfriend is the person I value most, and my best friend. I hang out with him at least 4 times a week. My point was just that meeting more people might open up the doorway to more chances of meeting girls, as well as just being good for you psychologically.

Another issue I think is valid is where you are living. You say that your locale is not a good place to meet other people with similar interests. I know this may be impossible due to your flight training program, but you might consider moving elsewhere. Some places are more close minded than others. A large city atmosphere would have a lot more people to meet and be friends with, with a larger spectrum of interests and more likelihood of finding people you could connect with on a deeper level. I understand that that may not be feasible for you at this time, but traditionally, intellectuals and people with a great deal of ambition tend to be misunderstood pariahs in smaller, less diverse communities. I just want to bring this up because I think it is also important to consider that it might not always be your "fault" that you feel this way about your coworkers and the people you meet, it may also have something to do with those people and the mindset of the place you are living in.

I say this because I have never had many people who I relate to, as well. When I read "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" I really connected with Joyce's character, who feels as though he never really had a youth, who always feels as though he's on a different plane of consciousness, to some degree, from his peers. The smartest, most perceptive people usually aren't the ones with hordes of friends. You sound like a very intelligent guy, and also very intense and sensitive. In a lot of ways, it is much easier to befriend a person of average intelligence and magazine interests because most people just relate better to these people.

You might just be different, but that doesn't make you of any less value. It's great that you are interested in girls as people and don't want to hurt them or be a total jerk. It's great that you listen and try to be people's friends. It's great that you have the ambition and drive to become a pilot. It's great that you have the motivation to lose all the weight that you have lost and to keep going. These are major achievements, beyond what a lot of people ever do accomplish in their lives. Remember what you HAVE done, and try to feel a confidence in these things, rather than bemoaning what you have yet to do.

You really need to establish confidence. This is easier said than done, but it is very important that you look inside yourself and can learn to be proud of the milestones you acheive. I can see why your instructor was mad at you - it is very frustrating to try to help someone who can't help themselves. If you look at an event that was supposed to be very important for you, and instead of being happy about that, nitpick about everything you did wrong and the fact that you didn't have a spouse or girlfriend there to congratulate you, you're just missing the big picture. Worse, you are stopping yourself from enjoying life. I can understand your want for love, but true happiness will come only from yourself, and your willingness to let yourself experience happiness. You have set up an idea in your mind that being in love will validate your existence, but it will not. This will need to come from you. No person can make you worth anything more than you are worth; your worth is determined by your own perception of yourself.

For as long as you choose to believe that you cannot do well in social interactions, you will not. For as long as you believe that you cannot approach a girl, you will not. For as long as you believe that you cannot be in a relationship, you will avoid being in one or sabotage any that you do become involved in. You will allow yourself to be only what you percieve of yourself.

You must move past these assumptions and at least pretend to have confidence. If you act as though you are confident, people will think you are and interract with you the way they would interact with a confident individal - by paying you notice and being interested in what you have to say. Stand tall, speak clearly, and make eye contact.

OK. Now that I have said this, I want to move on to the girl you mention. Why haven't you asked her out? She tells coworkers that she wants you to ask her out. She blushes when she sees you. She flirts with you. She shows interest in you. Then what is this post about? You have your answer to your problem. You like her, she likes you. Why make it so complicated? All you need to do is ask her out. It sounds to me like she will definitley say yes. And hey, what's the worst thing that can happen? She says no. So what? Guys ask girls out every day who turn them down, and they just move on and ask out another girl. It's as simple as that. Yes, you do have to accept that risk, but would you rather go through life wondering what it's like to be in a relationship because you never had the courage to ask her out, or would you rather risk rejection and go for something that could end up great? To quote Nike, JUST DO IT!!!

I wish you the best of luck, and if you want any more advice, I'm here.
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