[QUOTE]BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese police have seized more than a ton of fake drugs for impotence, bird flu and malaria, including at least 18,000 fake Viagra tablets, state media reported on Wednesday.[/QUOTE]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070726/od_nm/china_viagra_dc;_ylt=Av44.uIaH...
I'm glad that China caught on to this.
I must say it is time WE stop buying from china and start producing our own stuff, as long as WE buy THEY will make and sell we have to say ok I'll buy something mande in my own country that costs 2 instead of 0.5 from china knowing it is better quality and will last 10 times as long
[QUOTE=Newtolove;188098]I must say it is time WE stop buying from china and start producing our own stuff, as long as WE buy THEY will make and sell we have to say ok I'll buy something mande in my own country that costs 2 instead of 0.5 from china knowing it is better quality and will last 10 times as long[/QUOTE]
Good idea... I wonder why we aren't doing it right now... hmmm...
Not everyone shares your ideals. 0.5 is a lot more appealing than 2 to a lot of people.
surely it is more appealing but have you ever bought one of those cheap cd players for a few bucks ? they breack down in 6-12 months that really great values for money isn't it ? funny my dads first cd player lasted all of 15 years ! this is just an example and infact I do not have a cd player they aren't worth it nowadays i'd set up an mp3 player with a pc speaker system lasts longer or use the computer.
of course if you want to renew most of your household items every 6-24 months buy fake medicines that are not really curing you or poisinous toothpaste be my guest.....
Anything can be counterfeited. If someone actually puts his life in danger by taking Viagra pills and, on top of that, buys them cheap somewhere, what did you expect?! Health assurance?!
It seems to me that this is the same thing as with the condoms being sold on the supermarket with strong hot lights that damaged them. Many pregnancies resulted. I bought mine from pharmacists and got some from the health centre.
Still here no casualties. I think people just have to start thinking for themselves and stop blaming others.
[QUOTE=Newtolove;188121]surely it is more appealing but have you ever bought one of those cheap cd players for a few bucks ? they breack down in 6-12 months that really great values for money isn't it ? funny my dads first cd player lasted all of 15 years ! this is just an example and infact I do not have a cd player they aren't worth it nowadays i'd set up an mp3 player with a pc speaker system lasts longer or use the computer.
of course if you want to renew most of your household items every 6-24 months buy fake medicines that are not really curing you or poisinous toothpaste be my guest.....[/QUOTE]
What can I say, we live in a throw-away society. Visit a local landfill for proof.
You can't just limit shoddy workmanship from imported goods. There are shoddy meds and products with a Canadian or American stamp on it.
[QUOTE=alban lusitanae;188145] I think people just have to start thinking for themselves and stop blaming others.[/QUOTE]
*Applauds*
Very good.
[QUOTE=Newtolove;188121]surely it is more appealing but have you ever bought one of those cheap cd players for a few bucks ? they breack down in 6-12 months that really great values for money isn't it ? funny my dads first cd player lasted all of 15 years ! this is just an example and infact I do not have a cd player they aren't worth it nowadays i'd set up an mp3 player with a pc speaker system lasts longer or use the computer.
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high quality CD players and mp3 players also come from foreign countries though.
[QUOTE=eminatic;188176]high quality CD players and mp3 players also come from foreign countries though.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I remember this one documentary where people trained to put together computers and other techs had all the gear and equipment but were from third world countries and were paid less than 10 bucks an hour.
yes thats true most european companies have their stuff made in asia/china you can't buy computer parts that aren't, but if you go down to your local super market and see oh a nice cheap CD player with the brand name of the super market OBVIOUSLY it was made in china by some unknown company (that being unknown cares little for quality/rep) that sticks the name of the supermarket on it free of charge for orders over "x" thousands, now if you use your savvy step out of the supermarket and go get something thats made by a proper company unfortunately these are also becoming far and few between I bought a philips portable cd player that was packing up like a week later,
for example medi@com they make nothing and neither do skintech I have two identical mp3 players, one branded medi@com and one skintek and creative media players well I havn't seen one in a couple of years, luckily even a cheap mp3 player is adequate and having no moving parts does not break down so easily, my sister bought one with a built in rechargeable battery that was totally dud could have not been in there at all (medi@com).
but of course prime ministers still go off to china to big meetings to make agreements with them followed by all the economic bods in his parliament so what more do we want yes we have to think with our own heads start demanding good stuff example I WILL NOT buy a cd player because I know they breakdown in weeks ALL OF THEM made by any company, so they have lost my business until they make me a cd player that really works same for anything else.
of course it goes without saying that china's last priority is the environment and the most hazardeous energy forms (coal) are the cheapest and thats all they seem to care about
[QUOTE=Newtolove;188210]I WILL NOT buy a cd player because I know they breakdown in weeks ALL OF THEM made by any company, so they have lost my business until they make me a cd player that really works same for anything else.[/QUOTE]
Well, you can always just listen to consumer reports on goods to find out the durable, reliable ones.
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of course it goes without saying that china's last priority is the environment and the most hazardeous energy forms (coal) are the cheapest and thats all they seem to care about[/QUOTE]
Hahaha. Take a look around and you'll realize China isn't the only one to adopt those attitudes. Even the developed nations resort to using coal for power simply because there is too much demand. People in general need to realize there are consequences for actions and that the price of freedom is responsibility.
you know, China's people produce less pollution than the citizens of most other countries. its their population that is just too much, but the individuals are far less wasteful than in most other countries.
well I hardly need a cd player and actually an mp3 player is "greener" using less power with no mechanical parts, we all need to take a look at our habits and try and use less power yes I personally do try and do this (to the point of arguing with workmates and boss that leave unecesary high power machinery and many lights on uneccesarily) I use a bike not a car even when I had a car i still rode. and yes china does have a poplation issue time they learnt about birth control, the other thing is the constant making of equipment, instead of making one item that will last 5 years we have 10 made because we have to buy a new one every 6 months, that polution in making it, polution is transporting it and a terrible waste in throwing it into a landfill cause people don't want to dismantle it and seperate the various parts for recycling (yes i try to do this), and of course soon there won't be much left of anything to produce stuff with
time they learn about birth control?!?! they can't AFFORD birth control! China as a nation is in a state of poverty.
The salient issue with this post is; China is producing counterfeit medications, drug cartels are getting them into the US wholesalers supplies and the end product is winding up in US pharmacies--unknown to the purchaser and consumer. Lipitor was one drug found in major pharmacies and recalled in 2003 when it was found to be inactive and counterfeit. The same is happening with Viagra, Tamaflu, Procrit, and other major label drugs--BCP's were also identified. It's beyond an issue of purchasing a drug online for a cheaper price it's the infiltration into our health-care system, appears legitimate, and runs even higher risks to the consumer. Some of the pills are being made with lead paint, other's with a product which causes renal failure and is an opportunistic portal for potential terrorism.
[QUOTE=eminatic;188260]time they learn about birth control?!?! they can't AFFORD birth control! China as a nation is in a state of poverty.[/QUOTE]
Then maybe our government or some charity should start shipping them free or low cost condoms and make sure that the schools in China teach how to use them. China is going to remain in a state of poverty so long as they are overpopulated so something must be done about their population problem or else the cycle of poverty will just continue forever. If we can ship mass quantities of condoms to parts of Africa to prevent HIV, why can't we ship mass quantities of condoms to China to help prevent unwanted pregnancies and help relieve the population problem?
Since the US "borrows" money from China perhaps as part of re-paying the debt, in part, we should add "birth-control methods" as part of the applied interest.
[QUOTE=sera300;188287]Since the US "borrows" money from China perhaps as part of re-paying the debt, in part, we should add "birth-control methods" as part of the applied interest.[/QUOTE]
I agree. That would be quite helpful but I honestly don't see it ever happening. :(
No...I was being facetious about the matter, sorry. Ticks me off after reading The Economist today regarding Bush's thoughts to supply arms to the Saudis; meanwhile, the US would be borrowing more from China to fund it. Simultaneously, we are dealing with the import issue which increased borrowing encourages increased importing--mainly opposed to the tainted products meds, toothpaste, and dog food ingredients.
[QUOTE=Newtolove;188259]china does have a poplation issue time they learnt about birth control[/QUOTE]
Yeah. They have a "one child per household" policy.
[QUOTE=Newtolove;188259] instead of making one item that will last 5 years we have 10 made because we have to buy a new one every 6 months[/QUOTE]
Again, the attitude isn't limited to China. As a business man, what makes more sense for profit; my business makes a durable product and sells it for $100. It lasts five years. Now, I make ten that last six months, and I sell each cheap for $40. I make four times more by making something crappy, and since it's cheap more people are probably going to buy it.
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polution in making it, polution is transporting it and a terrible waste in throwing it into a landfill cause people don't want to dismantle it and seperate the various parts for recycling (yes i try to do this), and of course soon there won't be much left of anything to produce stuff with[/QUOTE]
The most effective of the three R's is Reduce. If we didn't live in a throw away society that always wants the new fad, we'd be golden.
[QUOTE=-wittyphrasehere-;188305]Yeah. They have a "one child per household" policy.[/QUOTE]
Yes but is their "one child per household" policy working to keep overpopulation under control? Also, I think their policy is just a little bit controversial considering that they will often force women into having an abortion. Well, at least I have heard that they will often force women into having an abortion. They need a better program if this is the case.
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The most effective of the three R's is Reduce. If we didn't live in a throw away society that always wants the new fad, we'd be golden.[/QUOTE]
thats my point if we start making durable stuff that lasts we will spend less and reduce polution but people care more for money and the people buying the stuff are even more stupid/naive
[QUOTE=Newtolove;188402]thats my point if we start making durable stuff that lasts we will spend less and reduce polution but people care more for money and the people buying the stuff are even more stupid/naive[/QUOTE]
Thing is, they probably spend more money in the long run from buying the junky stuff than they would spend buying a more expensive and reliable product.
[QUOTE=Newtolove;188402]thats my point if we start making durable stuff that lasts we will spend less and reduce polution [/QUOTE]
Making more durable products might not even guarantee less pollution. The components needed might need more refinement and pollute more, they might contain more toxic chemicals that'll be released in dumps, etc. A lot of green solutions are "one eyed", lacking in depth perception. The key is to just plain stop buying so much unnecessary material goods.
[QUOTE=Newtolove;188402] people care more for money and the people buying the stuff are even more stupid/naive[/QUOTE]
"Don't be hatin'".
Some of them are trying to get by on wages slightly higher than minimum and surrounded by a society that idolizes those who have and downplays those that don't.
[QUOTE=LadyBug02;188418]Thing is, they probably spend more money in the long run from buying the junky stuff than they would spend buying a more expensive and reliable product.[/QUOTE]
Yes. "The cheap becomes expensive".
[QUOTE=-wittyphrasehere-;188448]Making more durable products might not even guarantee less pollution. The components needed might need more refinement and pollute more, they might contain more toxic chemicals that'll be released in dumps, etc. A lot of green solutions are "one eyed", lacking in depth perception. The key is to just plain stop buying so much unnecessary material goods.[/quote]
no I don't think so it can't be 10 times more poluting to use good quality materials this is the usual myth that thee is no solution so might as well waste, it comes down to silly things like.... my bycycle lights now when the attatchment just fell apart I was like wtf ? then I got my dads set out and looked at them: idential but had lasted 10 years, you know the difference between thses seaming identical items ? the quality of the plastic, mine were made of the cheaper hard fragile plastic that understrain just snaps my dads are more pliable and have lasted 10 tims as long ! now don't tell me it polutes 10 times more to just use better plastic not to mention that this extra polution is more than that of the transportation of 10 articles that replace 1 !
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"Don't be hatin'".
Some of them are trying to get by on wages slightly higher than minimum and surrounded by a society that idolizes those who have and downplays those that don't.
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yes I am one of them (the underpaid ones) but I still try to invest in something that looks worthwhile even if it costs a bit more for example I bough a motherboard for 79 euro it even had a onboard video card but it was crap, I've just got another one for 140 euro (granted made slightly later) that just rocks now for less than twice the price I got something that must have like 5 times the capabilities the old one did infact to buy ad on circuits for the other I would have spent that extra cash anyway and still be worse off
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Yes. "The cheap becomes expensive".[/QUOTE]
thats is and so many people just won't understand it and say ok I'll wait a bit be without it a bit and then get a better one that costs a bit more with what i have saved in the mean time
[QUOTE=-wittyphrasehere-;188448]"Don't be hatin'".
Some of them are trying to get by on wages slightly higher than minimum and surrounded by a society that idolizes those who have and downplays those that don't.[/QUOTE]
Very very true. I happen to be one of those people. However, people need to learn to save up a bit of money and then buy the more durable and better product.
Speaking of Chinese products;
The head of the toy manufacturer whose products were found to have lead paint committed suicide sometime mid-August. But that was confirmed by a Chinese state newspaper.
[QUOTE=-wittyphrasehere-;192161]Speaking of Chinese products;
The head of the toy manufacturer whose products were found to have lead paint committed suicide sometime mid-August. But that was confirmed by a Chinese state newspaper.[/QUOTE]
so what does that justify them trying to cheat humanity how many children can have died just because a couple of people wanted more money ? I don't think it was suicide out of moral remourse I think they didn't want to confront the consequences of their actions.
another example, now tesco are all hooing and haaaing about global warming but they sell cheap crap cd players that last like 2 months so just because one component the laser diode burns out we chuck a whole unit meaning all the playing mechanics and the circuitry and the speakers not to mention the plastic it is made of, so we need to buy 6 of these players every year how wonderful !
next they sell energy saving lightbulbs but overrate them they are like 1:3.5 efficient instead of 1:5 then we wonder why people reject cheap running bulbs on the grounds of their fallacy perhaps they are right the bulbs are mis advertised their 11 W bult is definitely not equivalent to a 60 W like they say infact on the back of the pack it says 11W saver = 550 lumen standard 60W bulb 630 lumen so go figure
[QUOTE=Newtolove;188464]no I don't think so it can't be 10 times more poluting to use good quality materials this is the usual myth that thee is no solution so might as well waste[/QUOTE]
I didn't say anything about "ten times more" or "let's give up".
Take a look at hybrids. They use more material than hummers because of their duel engines. I didn't mean to be defeatist; make sure the solutions or improvements that you're implementing are worth it.
[QUOTE=Newtolove;192363]so what does that justify them trying to cheat humanity how many children can have died just because a couple of people wanted more money ? I don't think it was suicide out of moral remourse I think they didn't want to confront the consequences of their actions.
another example, now tesco are all hooing and haaaing about global warming but they sell cheap crap cd players that last like 2 months so just because one component the laser diode burns out we chuck a whole unit meaning all the playing mechanics and the circuitry and the speakers not to mention the plastic it is made of, so we need to buy 6 of these players every year how wonderful !
next they sell energy saving lightbulbs but overrate them they are like 1:3.5 efficient instead of 1:5 then we wonder why people reject cheap running bulbs on the grounds of their fallacy perhaps they are right the bulbs are mis advertised their 11 W bult is definitely not equivalent to a 60 W like they say infact on the back of the pack it says 11W saver = 550 lumen standard 60W bulb 630 lumen so go figure[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Notice I didn't say anything about justifying anything.
Dude... you need to vent your frustrations out on something else besides a forum. The last bit is hard to decipher.
[quote=sera300;188284]The salient issue with this post is; China is producing counterfeit medications, drug cartels are getting them into the US wholesalers supplies and the end product is winding up in US pharmacies--unknown to the purchaser and consumer. Lipitor was one drug found in major pharmacies and recalled in 2003 when it was found to be inactive and counterfeit. The same is happening with Viagra, Tamaflu, Procrit, and other major label drugs--BCP's were also identified. It's beyond an issue of purchasing a drug online for a cheaper price it's the infiltration into our health-care system, appears legitimate, and runs even higher risks to the consumer. Some of the pills are being made with lead paint, other's with a product which causes renal failure and is an opportunistic portal for potential terrorism.[/quote]
Does no one care about this part? What they are ingesting? Rather we wish to be upset about global pollution? If we die as a result of drugs tainted with lead, purchased from CVS or Walgreen's we do not need to concern ourselves with the "throw away society", working conditions in China, or pollution!
[QUOTE=sera300;192703]Does no one care about this part? What they are ingesting? Rather we wish to be upset about global pollution? If we die as a result of drugs tainted with lead, purchased from CVS or Walgreen's we do not need to concern ourselves with the "throw away society", working conditions in China, or pollution![/QUOTE]
Very true.
I think the topic just drifted away from that.
What do you think should be done with most peoples blind faith in the meds?
[quote=-wittyphrasehere-;192710]Very true.
I think the topic just drifted away from that.
What do you think should be done with most peoples blind faith in the meds?[/quote]
Knowledge for consumers is key, too much info is scary. Ever read the info which the pharmacy distributes re: your script? Ever read the side effects? No lay person should have a PDR!
Demand an explanation about meds from the doc, no magic pills to fix anything. Whatever you ingest had an effect; it depends on if the benefit outweighs the risks.
Make your doc or health care provider explain all side effects so everyone understands; it's our jobs. Many consumers ask for too many meds & get pissed off if they do not get an antibiotic; thus, the cause for MRSA & other resistant diseases which are rampant. If you wonder, seek another opinion.
Blind faith is a detriment, many younger people ask questions. Older ones just say oh, the doc told me I need this & have multiple scripts from various docs! The younger are becoming better/informed consumers.
oh I think the producers of lead containing goods (especially considering they are illegal) should be tourtured to death perhaps by being made to eat the poison they were selling us !
[QUOTE=Newtolove;192729]oh I think the producers of lead containing goods (especially considering they are illegal) should be tourtured to death perhaps by being made to eat the poison they were selling us ![/QUOTE]
My apologies for the miscommunication. I was only asking Sera for her intelligent, realistic opinion.
[quote=-wittyphrasehere-;192799]My apologies for the miscommunication. I was only asking Sera for her intelligent, realistic opinion.[/quote]
What I find so bothersome is the leaking of these drugs into the wholesalers supplies, innocently being distributed to (from the wholesalers) to the main drug stores unknown to them and the public. China was forced to take action, knowing it was occurring and ignored the fact until public light was shed upon the Government of China. Children's toothpaste was also cited as toxic. Yet the Government [of China] allowed in to be exported knowing and willfully. Upon the public light and discovery; public pressure and embarrassment forced them to take action secondary to threats of non-purchasing of any products regulated by the FDA & DEA. Through threatening to cut off their [China's] exported products [loss of revenue] they employed stricter standards; otherwise, business would have continued.
[QUOTE=sera300;192806]What I find so bothersome is the leaking of these drugs into the wholesalers supplies, innocently being distributed to (from the wholesalers) to the main drug stores unknown to them and the public. China was forced to take action, knowing it was occurring and ignored the fact until public light was shed upon the Government of China. Children's toothpaste was also cited as toxic. Yet the Government [of China] allowed in to be exported knowing and willfully. Upon the public light and discovery; public pressure and embarrassment forced them to take action secondary to threats of non-purchasing of any products regulated by the FDA & DEA. Through threatening to cut off their [China's] exported products [loss of revenue] they employed stricter standards; otherwise, business would have continued.[/QUOTE]
Just a classic example of how people will bend rules for profit if they know they aren't going to get caught.
I think China will be a reliable exporter if the international community will continue to scrutinize it into being one.
But yeah, just goes to show that sometimes your better off not knowing things.
[quote=-wittyphrasehere-;192887]Just a classic example of how people will bend rules for profit if they know they aren't going to get caught.
I think China will be a reliable exporter if the international community will continue to scrutinize it into being one.
But yeah, just goes to show that sometimes your better off not knowing things.[/quote]
I am pleased the information was released--I believe they found toxic levels of antifreeze in the toothpaste (tubed pasted contained in toothbrush & past combined kits). The long term damage is horrific, and scrutinizing & holding the exporter accountable is the beginning! Either clean up the operation or we do no purchase.
[QUOTE=sera300;192902]I am pleased the information was released--I believe they found toxic levels of antifreeze in the toothpaste (tubed pasted contained in toothbrush & past combined kits). The long term damage is horrific, and scrutinizing & holding the exporter accountable is the beginning! Either clean up the operation or we do no purchase.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, glycerin was added, which is cheap and adds sweetness.
Well, a bad image in marketing is suicidal. If people know your product isn't safe, they won't purchase.
I was watching a fascinating discussion with Canadian anchorman Peter Mansbridge and an expert with China.
-In Western culture, responsibility is mostly left to the producer. It's their responsibility of safety and quality is put on the producer, while in China, it's more the opposite. 'Buyer beware', and there's a shame on the consumer if they feel like they've been cheated.
-It's not only the cheap labour costs that Western investors are looking for, but they usually look for a way around (and lack of) certain rules and standards.
-Investors will have meetings with the head of factories and basically say "it's been great doing business with you this year, but we'd like it if you lowered your prices by 15%" and they leave it open ended, for the managers to figure where to cut costs. With scrutinizing Chinese companies by making faulty products, they give them a double standard.
-There's a "don't ask, don't tell attitude", investors tend to turn a blind eye. For example, there are look alike factories, where the quality inspectors will only look into the factory up front and leave the five or six behind it.
But it is possible to have solid products. 100% inspections and quality checks do happen with a few products like medical equipment where you need that 100%. And somehow, the prices are still competitive, being 1/5 of Western costs.
Overall, the shame should be shared. China is responsible for making dangerous products, but the West with it's mismanagement is just as guilty.
for everyone's information, Mattel was really behind the lead based paint toys. they issued a public apology to China.
[quote=eminatic;194076]for everyone's information, Mattel was really behind the lead based paint toys. they issued a public apology to China.[/quote]Which toys do you speak of? I am not familiar w/kids products/toys which Mattel manufacturers--I have no kids; therefore, I do not scrutinize contents of toys. Did they apologize for outsourcing to a company which used lead? Or because Mattel knew of it and used it? Or did they wrongfully accuse China for supplying the lead-based product? Personally, when I do purchase child toys for my nieces I stick to those made by "Melissa & Doug".
Some of the products which I spoke of there is no apologizing for....antifreeze in toothpaste and in order to beat the FDA selling the product as a dental kit (toothpaste & toothbrush). Knowingly and willfully doing such is negligent at the minimum; I don't know about you but if I were the parent I'd scrutinize the system. Another is the grains used in dog food which were tainted gluten. I will only purchase 100% "China-free" products as a rule. I believe the damage is inexcusable. It's not merely one product coming form there, the scope is so vast. Right on down to the medications you consume daily from China have been grossly tainted products unknown to the wholesalers and passed out to our drug suppliers on the pharmacy levels.
Many times, I do believe they know no better [such a poor standard of living] yet the government in China keeps the individuals under their jurisdiction poor. There are political trade offs occurring such as; the US decreased trade w/China and reached out to borrow funding to supply the Saudis w/weapons. I say borrow no more from them.
Boycotting a product made for consumption [for myself as a person or for my pets] is what I practice. The current products are dog toys, manufactured for the AKC, which are deemed by US standards as unsafe for use. I will not assume the risk; therefore, China looses--the ASPCA on the national level has also agreed. This product & issue was brought up at our monthly Board of Directors meeting.
Ultimately who suffers? The workers in China which live below any reasonable standard and the consumer who has the product and subsequent damage in the US. I believe our homeless in the US have a higher standard of living! But again, the US is our home and our country; thus, we should adopt a policy which focuses on bettering the lives of US citizens rather then concerning ourselves with how others live.
To exemplify; an example [of such] was the Bush Administration stating "every Iraqi should be guaranteed national health care [NHS]", "And a chicken on every table for food"; I guess they [the admin] forgot to adopt the same mentality for all US citizens; meanwhile, we have one heck of a tax system to support our US government.
mattel apologized because there was never an unsafe amount of lead in the paint to begin with. the actual problem was a flaw in the design of the toys, something China had nothing to do with, but they blamed China instead so it would look like they (mattel) were not the ones at fault. furthurmore it goes on to say that 76% of recalls since 1988 were wrongly blamed on China.
Interesting. I guess in ways stricter governmental regulations on importing of products and regulation of corporations 20 years later has proven useful & beneficial? Moreover, this recent action [the Viagra] has caused the government of China to begin self-regulation of exported products. Seems to be a win-win situation.
[QUOTE=sera300;194103]Interesting. I guess in ways stricter governmental regulations on importing of products and regulation of corporations 20 years later has proven useful & beneficial? Moreover, this recent action [the Viagra] has caused the government of China to begin self-regulation of exported products. Seems to be a win-win situation.[/QUOTE]
You know, I finally figured out what that dancing banana is from.
It's peanut butter, jelly time!
[quote=-wittyphrasehere-;194215]You know, I finally figured out what that dancing banana is from.
It's peanut butter, jelly time![/quote]I liked it on POF! It stuck an interest and was neutral by nature! No erotic Avatars for me....LOL!
Well... since it's a banana between two ba...
Ohh, yes, never mind. Neutral.
Aside from the harmful ingredients, which is very important to consider, what a research gold mine this would be for a sexologist! I would give anything to talk with the men who used the fake Viagra to see whether they had more or longer lasting erections using the placebo.