For the "world" most never knew what happens. The media is showing the repetitive behavior of many predators (those seeking to take advantage of one not of age of majority or age of consent).

Pedophiles? I doubt many could handle watching that part on National TV. Pedophiles look just like your neighbor, family, etc. I have a difficult time containing those which cross paths with me. Although many have come in asking for help since they felt an "urge to act" on their impulse; generally they are admitted to psych voluntarily and put on certain psych meds to kill the libido until "proper" help can be given to them.

Never saw the show. Reality is that 20+% of all women have been sexually molested or abused. And getting things set up through a teen chat board by a faking it 40 year old male meets your definition of deceit, coercion or force. The lasting effects on a woman's life are enormous. I have had some older women who had been victims of predators say they would have rather have died than go through life with the burdens of the assault.

If whatever show refer to is raising consciousness of society, I am for it.

chris hansen is freaking awsome :D
some of the guys arent all that bad, ill admit to that, but alot of them are. did you see the one where the guy had duct tape and rope hidden in his car?

[quote=eminatic;199075]chris hansen is freaking awsome :D
some of the guys arent all that bad, ill admit to that, but alot of them are. did you see the one where the guy had duct tape and rope hidden in his car?[/quote]And he is not bad on the eyes (to me) LOL! He brings up a public issue!

[QUOTE=sera300;199086]And he is not bad on the eyes (to me) LOL! He brings up a public issue![/QUOTE]

LOL that too haha
i've always wanted to be one of those on-site decoys :p

[quote=eminatic;199132]LOL that too haha
i've always wanted to be one of those on-site decoys :p[/quote]Therefore, contact the site & tell them of your interests. As you know they move areas and venues; make your interests known since you have nothing to loose through initiating contact as potential on-site decoy!

lol ive already become a member of their site :o

[quote=eminatic;199185]lol ive already become a member of their site :o[/quote]Good move! No need for the embarrassed face should be the big smile!:D

I couldn't agree more with Machine rats topic.
MoralOutrage.com and any other man with the balls to speak out against the laws sexual oppression of males would completely agree.

It is pointless getting into conversation about it here because women are completely oblivious to the problem. To quote another, "These sexual laws are just another way for the government to vilify males in the impoverished demographic for the purposes of imprisonment". Heaviest subject around, respect for addressing it. But how much can we even say without being thrown in jail ourselves? Holocaust 2.0 ... So thats it from me.

The sexual oppression of males, huh? That's horrible... NAMBLA must be alerted of this crime against humanity at once!

You can go on and on about freedom, equality, tolerance, and human rights, but having sex with children is WRONG.

[quote=Satanity;202619]
It is pointless getting into conversation about it here because women are completely oblivious to the problem.
[/quote]
I think you have it backwards about who is "COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS"---I am a woman and find your comment extremely narrow minded, derogatory to women, and myself in general.

Please consider the negative connotations you impose upon "us" [women] prior to writing such comments.

If this is the site you listed....http://moraloutrage.com/? It appears to more of a "selling medium to lure prospective buyers...especially since I viewed no topics on the discussion mentioned my Machine-rat...

I totally agree with Sera and Oedipussy.

The only thing that I don't like about the show is the police brutality that they show. They have gotten worse as the show has progressed. There is no need to throw someone to the ground and act violently towards them right off of the bat. These men are already in trouble, there is no need for them to get a broken rib in the process.

exactly what I expected. And I said nothing about sex with children, which is indeed, I think, wrong. But that is absolutism. And the definition of "child" is what's relevant here. Part of not being a child is being able to think for yourself.

Incidentally, as for police brutality, I'm sure the imprisoned would rather be murdered, let alone beaten, than thrown into a 10 by 12 box for a minimum of one thousand eight hundred days for making love to their 15 year old girlfriend. Which, in any case, is perfectly legal in many jurisdictions throughout the world. It is beyond the height of idiocy to disagree with that. It's times like this I really get what Einstein was talking about. And no, I'm not talking to the women here. I'm perfectly aware of your psychology and I've heard the same thing a hundred times.

I wasn't even debating. I wasn't actually talking to anyone in particular. I was making a point that freedom of speech is supposed to sanction. Adults only please.

A 15 year-old girl is indeed still a child. She has yet to become mature, responsible or independant. Any adult having sex with a 15 year-old is preying on their naivety. They haven't been out in the real world enough to make educated decisions about sex and love. Why do you think the law exists in the first place?

Not being a child is being able to think for yourself? Six year-olds can pick out their own outfits and decide what flavor of ice cream they like best all on their own. Does that make them adults?

As a normal 21 year old male I can safely say that I wouldn't even talk to underage girls let alone sleep with them. There's something psycologically wrong with any man that would do that...

I believe I fit the "Adults only" part. Having worked with pedophiles and their victims--the true definition of a pedophile is one who has sex with a person who has not reached puberty.

I despise caring and having to perform rape kits on 12 month olds, 4 year olds, etc. The final days of ER nursing for me was a 4 y/o child which came in as a head injury, turned into a homicide, and later found out he was repeatedly raped by the mom's bf--then beat to near death--he only survived since he was submerged and attempted to be drowned in a tub of ice water after being beaten & burned; who intervened? The 7 year old in the home. This description is not a graphic as the entire case was.

The show brings to light what kids are doing [and adults] on the Internet; creating public awareness that parents need to watch their kids. Luring a 13 y/o male or female into having sex [many also show graphic photos to their intended victims] is wrong since look at the mean ages of the predators.

The behavior is predatory in nature through taking advantage of a person who is naive since the individuals are minimum of 21 up to 60 y/o's [note the majority are in their mid thirties]. Many have previous rap sheets for the same and are repeat offenders. Why is there such a "moral wrong" with getting these people off the street, attempting to protect children; meanwhile, shedding light on a real public policy issue?

Many spend little time in Jail & if placed in prison there are good reasons for that sentence. Yes, they are dealt [in prison] with among the inmate community...inmates despise these individuals and have their own sub-culture; taught to me in debriefing. Break the laws; it's the price to be paid. It's not as if the focus of the show is on 18/19 y/o's meeting a woman/man close to their own age. Many also bring along some "spirits" or drugs to liven up the date they intend. A few have found to have an arsenal of weapons, duct tape, & ropes with them. I also believe there was one episode where a woman showed to meet her new "friend" found on the Internet, another was a teacher, many drive nearly 400 miles to meet with the intent and have their own kids the same age at home--one parent brought his small child with him.

Additionally what the show fails to demonstrate is the outcome of the trials. How many are truly convicted of all charges and what is the sentence? Just because a person is arrested many are ROR'd or post bond--assuming they are not a risk for flight. Other outcomes can be "dismissed without prejudice". Just because an individual is arrested mean they merely have an arrest record which has no significant value or merit--especially if the arrest was over-turned. There is a big difference between arrest & conviction. One evening is jail has no real value; it's more an inconvenience for poor behavior.

What do you find so disturbing about the actions of catching these individuals? Why do you say women here are oblivious to the problem? What is your basis for such a statement?

I get what you mean, machinerat, but that's kind of like saying that rapists should be left alone because they're not running around murdering people. These people are preying on others - whether it's "not as bad" as something else shouldn't be an issue...

[quote=oedipussy;203239]I get what you mean, machinerat, but that's kind of like saying that rapists should be left alone because they're not running around murdering people. These people are preying on others - whether it's "not as bad" as something else shouldn't be an issue...[/quote]I think the point is the general public could not handle the pitures of reality....and if this is what they can show, let them...

[QUOTE=Brandye;198942]Never saw the show. Reality is that 20+% of all women have been sexually molested or abused. And getting things set up through a teen chat board by a faking it 40 year old male meets your definition of deceit, coercion or force. The lasting effects on a woman's life are enormous. I have had some older women who had been victims of predators say they would have rather have died than go through life with the burdens of the assault.

If whatever show refer to is raising consciousness of society, I am for it.[/QUOTE]

I am delighted to agree with such sentiments. Sex can be so so wonderful, and yet so so tragic for victims of abuse. Anything which exposes awareness is to be welcomed. The answer must lie with education, but as the saying goes, you cannot put an old head on young shoulders.

Heres my 2 cents. First of all (i never get to more then first of all. just realized this but o well) what i think is that the chat room people arent the worst necessarily but they are about the easiest to catch. These people arent always as bad but they are still very very bad. Now im talking about a big age gap here. 16 and 19 not anything that weird to me but 12 and 30 and thats something thats almost definitely wrong. Of course murdering someone slowly is worse then quickly (usually) but both are still murder. These pedophiles should be thrown in jail regardless of if it was a chat room bust thing or a rape or what. Theres is nothing wrong with a show that shows these people getting caught.

Also someone (idk remember who and im too lazy to look it up. yes im that lazy) seems to questioning the age of consent. This is tricky cause there is no one age for everyone where they reach maturity. Some people may be able to think clearly and make rational decisions when they are 12 and yet for some it might be till they are 25. I have no realistic solution to this problem but it would probly be good for people to talk about it. Im 15 and i hope none of you disregard what im saying because of my age which happens all to often to me. The thing that i hate most that i see so often is an adult not listening to a kid because they are a kid. often times they are right and the kid is wrong but sometimes they arent and its a shame to see it happen

Also almost every girl iv gotten close to as a friend happened to be sexually abused as a kid or in one case raped. As far as wat scars our kids innocence (or whatever u wanna call it) it varies from person to person. Some people can function fine after traumatic events and some cant. And it doesnt take much to b traumatic and permanently harmed. They dont hav to be brutalized and raped violently against their will. It could be someone who was told they were worthless for not having sex with the adult trying to get them to have sex or someone who had sex when they were drunk with someone their own age. Or the opposite cud happen and a girl could be violently raped and get over it in a week. Even if its "not that bad" its still bad enough. These internet predators should almost always be locked up.

[quote=GodHimselfx100;204786]Heres my 2 cents. First of all (i never get to more then first of all. just realized this but o well) what i think is that the chat room people arent the worst necessarily but they are about the easiest to catch. These people arent always as bad but they are still very very bad. Now im talking about a big age gap here. 16 and 19 not anything that weird to me but 12 and 30 and thats something thats almost definitely wrong. Of course murdering someone slowly is worse then quickly (usually) but both are still murder. These pedophiles should be thrown in jail regardless of if it was a chat room bust thing or a rape or what. Theres is nothing wrong with a show that shows these people getting caught.[/quote]Those who linger in chats to lure those who are prey ARE the same as the pedophile next door...they merely use the Internet as a disguise. I have worked with many of them; trust me many would have no clue. Predatory behavior & Pedophilia yes have different definitions;however, the collateral damage to the victim is the same.

btw i type so many short messages cause something is wrong with my internet browser and it doesnt work if its bigger then what iv been posting. As for fixing it the aforementioned laziness (i hope i used that right. im trying to sound fancy) is hindering me from doing so any time soon. Anyway back to the topic. If any of you know me well (you dont. I just registered today) you know i think nothing is ever certain. in no case can say something is wrong no matter what. Thats wat i believe anyway. I mean you can say murder is always wrong but what if its the only way to save 10 people. On the other hand you have to make laws and you cant judge each criminal case on wether you think its fair or not. everyone would disagree about whats fair and it wud be chaos. (damn outta space)

sera300. from what id heard (and im admitting i know very little about it) usually the person next door is worse. but i really dont know much and you seem to so il take your word for it that they are the same. Thanks for teaching me something and now im more aware. what my point in all that was tho is that some people seem to be saying "that rape wasnt that bad" (and im paraphrasing not quoting) my point was that its still bad and should be punished

The guy next door has refined his skills through the use of the Internet...feels he may not be caught as easily and is "buffered".

Any forced sex act against an unwilling participant is disgusting; one against a child? Should have signed a "death warrant"; I could easily slit their throats without remorse.

I have dealt with victims of all; 12 months old up to adults (male & female).

Try treating a 12 month old for Gonorrhea. It's enough to turn a stomach; deal with a child abuse resulting in a homicide secondary to sex & beatings...I have no mercy. Touch a child in my family? One way out...death. And yes, I would do it myself and deal with the consequences of my actions...a life time in prison gladly accepted.

okay bac to wat i was saying (this must be confusing to read since its scattered but im a confusing person sometimes). A relationship between a 15 years old and a 20 year old MAY be okay. Im thinking odds are against it but its possible. I dont know how the law should handle it but in some places the age of consent should probly be changed but to what i dont know. Thats where what i think i kno runs out. If anyone has any thoughts id love to hear them cause im always looking for answers and ways to better things. If anything iv said is wrong please correct me like sera300 did earlier cause i dont want to tell anyone the wrong things i just want to share opinions so everyone can be more aware of everything

[QUOTE=sera300;204798]The guy next door has refined his skills through the use of the Internet...feels he may not be caught as easily and is "buffered".

Any forced sex act against an unwilling participant is disgusting; one against a child? Should have signed a "death warrant"; I could easily slit their throats without remorse.

I have dealt with victims of all; 12 months old up to adults (male & female).

Try treating a 12 month old for Gonorrhea. It's enough to turn a stomach; deal with a child abuse resulting in a homicide secondary to sex & beatings...I have no mercy. Touch a child in my family? One way out...death. And yes, I would do it myself and deal with the consequences of my actions...a life time in prison gladly accepted.[/QUOTE]

dont get mad im saying that your right.

[quote=GodHimselfx100;204801]dont get mad im saying that your right.[/quote]I am not mad! Its a point where I have no mercy upon those who prey & attack on those who do not suspect! If people do not look out for others, all is lost. :) I am trying to explain how many conceal themselves due to the media attention on the public policy issues at hand.

sorry sera. my bad again. it just seemed to me like u were mad at me for being wrong but i see that again i was wrong (it seems to b a trend). Anyway they dont deserve mercy and ur right to b outraged by anyone who does molest a child and id kill anyone who did that to someone i care about too.

[quote=GodHimselfx100;204807]sorry sera. my bad again. it just seemed to me like u were mad at me for being wrong but i see that again i was wrong (it seems to b a trend). Anyway they dont deserve mercy and ur right to b outraged by anyone who does molest a child and id kill anyone who did that to someone i care about too.[/quote]You are not wrong. It takes much time studying the patterns & behaviors of individuals who do these things. Unfortunately, my first experiences were through work seeing it first hand & eventually triggered a horrific reaction when I viewed a 4 y/o little boy who died as a result of torture. I am just very venement about public awareness on the issue. Dateline is very mild. Never apologize for your thoughts or opinions! You learn from others. :)

thanks sera. iv read a few of your other posts (again this is my first day on the message baords so i havent read many) but you seem to be very smart and very well informed as well as a very fair but still passionate person (which is hard to do and i wud kno cause thats wat i try to b) and im sure i can learn a lot from you.

[quote=GodHimselfx100;204820]thanks sera. iv read a few of your other posts (again this is my first day on the message baords so i havent read many) but you seem to be very smart and very well informed as well as a very fair but still passionate person (which is hard to do and i wud kno cause thats wat i try to b) and im sure i can learn a lot from you.[/quote]You will learn much from many; beyond mere sex issues. The majority of posters are compassionate & caring people. Many spend their time here to help others and to share info. Thanks for the compliment; figure though, I have had many years to learn about people in general!

[QUOTE=sera300;204821]You will learn much from many; beyond mere sex issues. The majority of posters are compassionate & caring people. Many spend their time here to help others and to share info. Thanks for the compliment; figure though, I have had many years to learn about people in general![/QUOTE]

You are dead right on that ...this is one the friendliest and most supportive sites on the globe....a sort of 'global warming' sensation!

[QUOTE=machine_rat;198922]I was flipping through an issue of
Rolling Stone that was a few months old, and I came across this article:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/15723886/to_catch_a_predator_is_n...

It verified feelings that I had been having towards the self-riteous MSNBC show lately:

Now, I'm sure that we can all agree that it's wrong for grown men to be seeking out girls in their early teens, but I don't think that those 'predators' are the worst-of-the-worst as the show would have us believe. A true predator is someone who seeks out their victim and gets what they want by deceit, coercion or by force. A young girl may [or may not] lack the capacity to fully understand the ramifications of sexual relations, but with these cases, she is still ultimately giving consent.

The point I'm getting at is that these pedophiles aren't the ones that are ruining the innocence of youth, if anything they are allowed to flourish only because many girl's innocences had already been ruined by more sinister predators. There's no easy decoy/hidden-camera way to catch the truely digusting child molesters, the real monsters (abusive fathers, dirty uncles, opportunistic brothers/cousins/peers, trusted leaders, etc.). Instead, the only easy catch are these socially awkwark, sometimes shy and lonely men who often pose no danger outside of chatrooms.

I've just grown tired of seeing how the show pats itself on the back for the people that they've put away. People that will become jail-hardened and forever socially outcast as a sex-offender. All while the real abuse goes on in secret behind closed doors.[/QUOTE]

I would agree that the show will not catch the abusers that are behind close doors such as fathers, uncles et cetera. However, the show does have some validly none the less. I have no children but I am a godfather of a 15 year old girl, one that is continually on chat rooms and myspace. One night I was over at my friends and we made her watch to catch a predator and it really opened her eyes to the fact of how many wack jobs are out there. If that show can make teenagers more wary and aware of what's out there I'm all for it.