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ContraGel Green?
I've looked and asked around; spermicides are not so popular around here. Local drug stores do sometimes sell condoms with spermicides, but no spermicide sold separately. Local pharmacies can get it for you, mostly by pre-order (the customers that ask for it are few since not many use diaphragms any more). Some webshops do sell it, off course; you can get anything via internet. And like any internet-purchase, you'd have to be extra careful where to buy or you won't be that safe on the actual contents of the package.
ContraGel Green, which is lactic acid based, is recommended by the local pharmacies I visited and most easiest obtained (also at a few reliable webshops that surprisingly don't sell any other). From what I've been told and have read about it; the idea would be it lowers PH in the vagina, immobilizing the sperm (see: The Natural Alternative To Spermicide) Now, my question is: how does ContraGel Green relate to those mentioned above?
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Interesting. As is so often true with "natural alternatives" they spend much space bad mouthing the traditional, chemical or medical but spend very little space really showing the effectiveness of their product. I can find no research results documenting the efficacy of this. From the ingredients alone, it would appear to be moderately effective and not dissimilar from home remedies used for this purpose before the discovery of Nonoxynol-9. Various acidic compounds have been used over the years - especially citric acid from lemon and tobacco juice.
Read "natural" with a bit of mistrust. Yes, everything they list can be found naturally; everything can also be manufactured in a laboratory. I am not against this stuff; I simply want to see their results rather than the evils of the competition. Holland includes homeopathic medicine with allopathic medicine. Homeopathic or naturopathic apothecaries are more likely to carry the alternatives rather than the chemical potions. So, I do not know the comparative effectiveness and note that it is intended to be used with a pessary (cervical cap) that has been withdrawn from some markets. So long as used with a barrier method such as a diaphragm or condom, this will improve the protection. Just do not picture a little cabin in the woods with a group of leprechauns making this from natural ingredients.
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LOL, I wasn't expecting any leprechauns!
![]() ![]() My primary motivation in this case was not because it's supposed to be "natural" (I know I have a bit of a reputation on that ). In this case; it's just because I discovered spermicides are hardly for sale and only with effort, you can obtain ContraGel Green. When it comes to condoms; a popular brand like Durex is available in every drugstore. But they decided in 2004 to stop producing condoms and lubes with Nonoxynol-9, along with most other producers, due to the possible increased risk of transmitting of HIV. The decision was applauded by organizations that try to raise HIV-awareness. I've read the above comments on this; but however unjust it may be, it apparently did lead to stopping the sale here. I'll see if the pharmacy can provide me with any additional information on how reliable this "green" stuff is...
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The Red Rose whispers of passion and the White Rose breathes of love Oh, the Red Rose is a falcon and the White Rose is a dove But I send you a cream-white rose bud with a flush on its petal tips For the love that is purest and sweetest has a kiss of desire on the lips ~ John Boyle O'Reilly 1844-1890 Last edited by RedRoses; 03-04-2011 at 10:30 AM.. |
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Let me review the bidding on the warnings of a few years ago on Nonoxynol-9:
It was posited by some in the medical community that Non-9 may actually help prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS. This led to several studies around the world in which it was found that Non-9 actually increased the spread of HIV! Many of the regulatory agencies around the world, including the WHO, over-reacted and all products containing Non-9 must now be labeled with the danger and a warning not to use Non-9 more often than once each day. What had actually been found was a bit different. Non-9 had no effect on HIV spread in vaginal sex; it did increase the spread in anal sex. Non-9 has been the leading spermicide world wide for more than fifty years. Many women, especially prostitutes, have always had Non-9 in them. There is really no reason to change this. For anal sex, the physiology is a bit different. The rectum is one cell thick, as opposed to the vagina’s forty cells, and the anus/rectum is not elastic as is the vagina. Non-9 is a detergent and can be an irritant that makes it more likely that small tears will occur in the rectum. These small tears admit the virus and increase the likelihood of HIV (or other STD) spreading. The site for the stuff above, ContraGel Green, states that Non-9 is abrasive. Not so! It is simply astringent and has a drying effect. If a woman shows no reaction to products containing Non-9, itching, burning, there is no reason to limit its use. For anyone, man or woman, receiving anal sex, condoms with Nonoxynol-9 as a lube should not be used. Buy the dry condoms and use a non-spermicidal lubricant.
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The history of Contragel Green
I did some more digging (I'm sometimes feeling like a leprechaun, or are those that dig in mines for diamonds called dwarfs?
)I just found out that Contragel Groen was launched as Contracep Groen by the Centraal Middelen Depot of the NVSH. The NVSH isn't "just" some organization; it had a major impact on our sexual health caresystem, sexual education, but also: acceptance of gays, laws to allow abortion, etc! NVSH stands for Dutch Association for Sexual Reformation, founded after WorldWarII. Actually they are a resurrection of the Nieuw-Malthusiaanse Bond; the first Dutch organization on family planning with Aletta Jacobs as one of it's prominent members (the one that every woman here owes it to that girls can go to university!) The NVSH are the ones that launched sexual health care centres, that later became part of the famous Rutgers Stichting (Jan Rutgers being one of their prominent members). Apart from education and care, they also launched products through the Centraal Middelen Depot. They were the first to introduce and produce condoms in the Netherlands, developing rules for the product standards. And the first to produce Contracep Groen and Contracep Rood (containing Non-9), which were designed to be used along with a diaphragm. Seems like CG is a typical Dutch product; perhaps that's why we take pride in selling it The official distributors of FemCap in the Netherlands (Medical Dynamics) puts Contragel Green with FemCap. The NVSH has become a very small organization ever since their centers became obsolete by standard governmental health care (perhaps they should rebuilt them since our health care is becoming a victim of cut-backs...). The same formula of CG is now produced by Memidis. I'm hoping they will tell me more on the effectiveness and studies.To be continued... ![]()
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The Red Rose whispers of passion and the White Rose breathes of love Oh, the Red Rose is a falcon and the White Rose is a dove But I send you a cream-white rose bud with a flush on its petal tips For the love that is purest and sweetest has a kiss of desire on the lips ~ John Boyle O'Reilly 1844-1890 Last edited by RedRoses; 04-08-2011 at 03:43 PM.. |
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Thanks, Red, for the interesting background and, I believe, it is dwarfs who do the diamond mining. Leprechauns are more into gold! With the rise of national health plans (which I advocate), some non-profit organisations, such as NVSH, have been left behind. These often are organisations dedicated to women's health. It happened slowly but definitely in the UK and is happening in Germany even with the health plan based on private insurance. Somehow, these things are believed to be well covered by NHS, so why bother? I have been appalled by the news on CNN International regarding the budget confusion in the States (which I do not understand). It finally boiled down to a trivial amount of money dedicated to women's health care being the divisive issue. No matter how far we have come, our unique female parts seem to be bargaining chips for male politicians! What is the real difference from being stoned for adultery?
I checked out your links. The Femcap was briefly available in the UK but seems to have disappeared and I note that Contragel is made in Germany. I shall have to go looking.
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I have found no medical research on the effectiveness of ContraGel. There are many testimonials but research results. The manufacturer specifically recommends that it be used with a barrier device - diaphragm, cap, condom. It has been approved for use all over Europe and in Canada. I do not know about other nations.
Relate? It is being presented as doing the same thing as traditional spermicides but without "chemical ingredients." The "natural" movment has responded but I am uncertain of the efficacy.
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Usually I dislike members like Blogs who simply re-quote what I've written in a previous post. But in this case; serves as a reminder!
![]() Contragel Groen is also know as Contracep Groen, Contracep Grün or Contracep Green, depending on where you live, so let's call it CG. I have in the meanwhile received copies from Memidis of the IPPF-testing protocols, certificate and an exert of an independent study on spermicides including CG, as performed by Prof. Dr. H.C. Friedrich of the Philipps-University Marburg-Lahn in 1989. Since the composition of neither spermicides nor CG has changed over the years, these results should still hold. The study basically says CS is equally reliable to regular spermicide. For those interested I've pasted it below (it took some tricks to copy and paste it, so it could be some diacritics didn't stick. Please notify me when you can understand German, but can't read what is says ):"4.2.2 "Contracep"-PräparateCG is especially popular in Germany, where cervical caps are more popular than in the Netherlands. In the Netherlands the standard gel to be prescribed with diaphragms and cervical caps is CG. On request, you could off course still get a spermicide with Nonoxynol-9. This does seem proof of how effective CG is considered by medical professionals. The people who've kindly provided me with the copies, told me it should be noted that should one chose to use a spermicide without a barrier method (cervical cap/diaphragm or condom) spermicides with nonoxynol-9 are slightly more effective than CG. Even though my pharmacist claims that both are equally effective and neither should be used without a barrier. The use of spermicides is highly unpopular in the Netherlands and not easy to come by. I haven't found a drugstore or adult-store that sells it. I have found a reliable condomerie with webshop in Amsterdam that sells CG to accompany condoms. Other than that, I'd need to rely on my pharmacist.
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The Red Rose whispers of passion and the White Rose breathes of love Oh, the Red Rose is a falcon and the White Rose is a dove But I send you a cream-white rose bud with a flush on its petal tips For the love that is purest and sweetest has a kiss of desire on the lips ~ John Boyle O'Reilly 1844-1890 Last edited by RedRoses; 02-21-2012 at 07:53 AM.. |
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