Pull out method. Does it work?

[sarah_rsl]

Pulling out does probably count as a form of birth control but together with the rhytem method a very unreliable one. However there is a place for it, ideally you should at least have 2 forms of birth control. Condoms typically have a 5% failure rate, adding the withdrawal method you get much % much lower that their individual sums.

Condoms screen the pre cum much more effectivly than the main ejaculate, plus if the guy has the intention of pulling out he's going to be paying more attention to his cock and whether the condom is staying on proberly.

I've used this method in the past when I had to come off the pill .

[bartona]

Why is the answer to this question so complicated? If you have heard differing stories as to whether there are sperm in precum or not then why the debate?

It's simple, if you don't want kids then you must use some form of protection. ITS THAT SIMPLE!!!! YOU MUST ERR ON THE SIDE OF SAFETY.

[pozzolane]

There is some really bad information on this thread. The actual reliability of the withdrawal method is about 82%. There is actually a sticky about this method on the main page of this website.

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Sarah: Check your stats before you post them. The failure rate of condoms is higher than 5%. IF a condom is used correctly it has an approximate 90% success rate. However, there are a lot of men and women out there that do not know how to properly use a condom and therefore the actual success rate is in the mid 80's. In other words, the withdrawal method is almost as effective as condoms. However, it depends on the reliability of the male to pull out in time. And it also provides zero protection against STD's.

The withdrawal method depends on one thing ... removal of the penis from the vagina before ejaculation. If a man neglects to do this then this method will undoubtedly fail. Secondly, there is no way for a man to restrict the flow of Cowper’s fluid from his penis, and thus no assurance the method will work. Furthermore, if a woman doubts the man's ability to withdraw his penis in time, she will not be relaxed and able to enjoy the sexual experience. This is not a highly recommended form of birth control and should not be practiced unless it is absolutely the only method available and the risk of pregnancy would not be considered a disaster.

It offers no protection from STDs.

However, Can Cowper's fluid (''pre-cum'') contain sperm?

Not really. Pre-cum is a secretion from the cowper's gland that travels through the urethra and out in order to make sure the envinroment is alkaline so that sperm can survive on the way out. Previous to it, the urethra is acidic because the last thing to go through it was urine. So unless the man had a recent ejaculation (there may be live sperm left) then there is absolutely no way it can contain sperm.

[sarah_rsl]

Originally Posted by pozzolane

There is some really bad information on this thread. The actual reliability of the withdrawal method is about 82%. There is actually a sticky about this method on the main page of this website.

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Sarah: Check your stats before you post them. The failure rate of condoms is higher than 5%. IF a condom is used correctly it has an approximate 90% success rate. However, there are a lot of men and women out there that do not know how to properly use a condom and therefore the actual success rate is in the mid 80's. In other words, the withdrawal method is almost as effective as condoms. However, it depends on the reliability of the male to pull out in time. And it also provides zero protection against STD's.



However, Can Cowper's fluid (''pre-cum'') contain sperm?

At the end of the day it is possible for precum to contain semen so that should be an end to it.

As for my stats I've been told 5 % failure rate if used probably with spermicde.

I do want to restate the widely held view that under no circumstance is the withdrawal method a practical form of birth control. It can be used as added protection isn't effective by iteself.

You can quote an 82% success rate if done properly, but the problem with it is that it's quite demanding and difficult to do correctly.

[pozzolane]

Originally Posted by sarah_rsl

At the end of the day it is possible for precum to contain semen so that should be an end to it.

This is only true if the man has already ejaculated recently. Because sperm may be trapped in the urethra. You could then say that it's just as likely for urine to contain sperm. Cause it is. But does urine contain sperm? Not by itself. Does cowper's fluid contain sperm? Not by itself. Only if sperm is still residing in the urethra.

As for my stats I've been told 5 % failure rate if used probably with spermicde.

You've been told by word of mouth. How reliable is word of mouth? You should always check your stats by looking them up. In this case the stats are available right on this very website.


I do want to restate the widely held view that under no circumstance is the withdrawal method a practical form of birth control. It can be used as added protection isn't effective by iteself.

You can quote an 82% success rate if done properly, but the problem with it is that it's quite demanding and difficult to do correctly.

I never suggested that the withdrawal method should be used. I just provided the actual stats and then real information regarding sperm in the cowper's fluid and also for whether or not the method is recommended.

I will requote myself:

The withdrawal method depends on one thing ... removal of the penis from the vagina before ejaculation. If a man neglects to do this then this method will undoubtedly fail. Secondly, there is no way for a man to restrict the flow of Cowper’s fluid from his penis, and thus no assurance the method will work. Furthermore, if a woman doubts the man's ability to withdraw his penis in time, she will not be relaxed and able to enjoy the sexual experience. This is not a highly recommended form of birth control and should not be practiced unless it is absolutely the only method available and the risk of pregnancy would not be considered a disaster.

It offers no protection from STDs.

[lnt1103]

Instead of arguing whose stats are right and whose are wrong can we get back to the main point? Let's review:
1-Sex with utterly zero protection is very risky for many reasons.
2-OP has a latex allergy.
3-OP's SO has a history of difficulty with BC.
4-OP's SO has already had children, and also has a history of difficulty with pregnancies.

Can I ask if her BC problems have been with various types of hormonals? IE Pills and patches? I have an IUD, which works totally differently and is highly effective. It's specifically geared toward women who have already had children. I have not, but am diabetic and so hormonals are contra-indicated. The IUD, according to my doctor, does administer a very low dose of hormone, but I believe he said its localized to the uterus and geared toward altering the lining itself, not changing the hormonal levels of the entire bodily system. The particular one I have also stays in place for 5 years, and has made my periods easier on me. Worth investigating.

[Ducy]

Okay there was a sticky posted about the failure rates, if Im not mistaken, the pull out method isnt actually 82% effective, its 82% ineffective.

There is no way that spermicide is less effective than pulling out.

[constantlylearning]

Int you have spunk and that is always a good thing...........Thumbs up to you.

[pozzolane]

Originally Posted by lnt1103

Instead of arguing whose stats are right and whose are wrong can we get back to the main point? Let's review:
1-Sex with utterly zero protection is very risky for many reasons.
2-OP has a latex allergy.
3-OP's SO has a history of difficulty with BC.
4-OP's SO has already had children, and also has a history of difficulty with pregnancies.

The original question was not actually the risks of other types of birth controls. The thread took a turn in that direction after some discussion about how risky the withdrawal method is.

The original question was "is there sperm in "pre-cum" (cowper's fluid)?"

To which the answer is "No". But... there is sperm still residing in the urethra shortly after ejaculation which may "leak" out with the cowper's fluid.

Originally Posted by Ducy

Okay there was a sticky posted about the failure rates, if Im not mistaken, the pull out method isnt actually 82% effective, its 82% ineffective.

There is no way that spermicide is less effective than pulling out.

Ducy: You're one person who should do far more reading, and far less posting.

[lnt1103]

Thanks CL. I just find it unnecessary and actually a little annoying for any one person to decide they're the be all and end all authority on any given matter and pick arguments with people they deem incorrect for the sole reason that they disagree. The practice strikes me as purposely attempting to puff oneself up in the eyes of others out of insecurity. Especially in a public forum such as this which is meant for many of differing opinions and experiences to share and gather.

And on that note I"m officially off this particular box.