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Bestiality - ok or no?

Judging by the incest topic this should prove interesting.

I'm curious what people think of bestiality. Something you like? Are intrigued by? Think is nasty? Anyone here ever done it and care to share about their experience?

Doing a quick search I see that states in the US range from having no laws on it to having it classified as a felony. Though its illegal in quite a few places and considered immoral by most people, there seem to be quite a few porn sites devoted to it. Of course its impossible to know how common it really is, since the humans probably won't talk about it and the animal can't.

So why is it generally considered to be immoral/wrong? Just the whole idea of sex outside your species? If you think that animals have or should have rights, then I guess it would basically be rape. (in that case though, what about male animals with human females?) Obviously it's genetically impossible for there to be any offspring, so that wouldn't be an issue. And along those lines, I've read several things that suggested that some animals will seek out humans as sex partners.

Personally for me its one of those things that if you wanna do it... great, just don't let me know. Though I think it will get interesting with the various ways we're developing to communicate with animals. But anyway, I've never done it and don't really have any interest in it- human females are more than enough for me

well for me id never try it 1 becuase i find it repulsive and 2 becuase id only ever have sex or oral or anything with someone i loved. ok i guess you can love ur pets but not in the way you can love another human.

eeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww hellllllllllllllll nooooooooooooo

hehe, yeah i didnt think of the blinking...that does change things...point taken. i appreciate your response.

[QUOTE=Quote (ThinkingOfLife @ Sep. 04 2005,10:47)]i mean, wow, im even reading back through my old posts and its giving me heartache. i was such an idiot. i feel bad for being like that to you guys...sorry again.[/QUOTE]
First of all, it's great that you've realized you may have gone too far... and, more importantly, are willing to acknowledge the fact and aplogize.  

Don't worry about it... it's forgotten.

[QUOTE=Quote (ThinkingOfLife @ Aug. 29 2005,16:21)]i am just curious. when you guys talk about them not being able to consent....now dont get me wrong im not trying to justify(as i now know is a mistake to try to MAKE people accept my ideas, i guess i was just soo heated at the heated people that came first but that was a friggen year ago) but what i want is your impression of this idea. lets say, for sheer convenience, that we had a girl who is mute(she cant speak) and she lost her hands in an accident or is born without them(she cant write). with your logic it seems to state that she would never be able to consent and would always be raped if she had intercourse. is this to say she cant have sex? i dont know im just stating that body language is a big deal, and in trying to interperet the possibility that an animal isnt being raped is a desired thing. i mean, you guys dont realize how bad you can make someone feel in your response, just as i was possibly making someone feel bad(if i was i was in the wrong). being in the minority brings some people to suicide, and that is all because of the way the majority talks to the minority. i know you guys dont think so, but i really do want to come off as loving. everthing i do is for love and happiness, i wish ill will on no one. but i am a human, i do make mistakes(obviously if you read any earlier post). but i want you guys to seriously try and come up with someway that the mute handless girl could have sexual relations with out it being rape. again im not tryin to prove you guys wrong i was just curious...[/QUOTE]

Okay, the difference here is that with a human being you have a point of reference and communication can be worked out.  As long as the brain is completely functioning, you could work out a simple communication of "blink once for yes, twice for no"... and have decent understanding.  You would not- on the other hand- have sex with someone mentally-challenged.  Without understanding what they are consenting to, it would be rape... regardless of whether or not they enjoyed the experience.  It's the same reasoning behind having an age restriction on sex.

Animals are not capable of this level of thought.  (Yes, I know some are quite intelligent, but they don't rank as "intelligent life".)  Therefore, they cannot give consent.

To expand on your analogy, however, I would have no problem should we be talking about a different species of intelligent life.  Say, oh... the "Dogpeople of Mars" show up in their spacecraft.  Obviously- having designed interstellar spaceships- these ARE intelligent life.  So, if you find a dogman or dogwoman where the attraction is mutual... I say, "WOOF!  Go for it!"

[QUOTE=Quote (pheonix @ Aug. 30 2005,16:21)]um (try and imagine a really squeaky voice here lol)
i am against it tbh, but i wanted to point something out, i noticed in a few posts that there was some mention of against nature, eg humans with humans dogs with dogs etc etc etc and on and on the list goes,
but then gays, many people would say that is against nature because it isnt in the interests of reproduction, personally i'm all for gays after all we are a life form who can communicate and agree or disagree to doing something with each other, but is it natural?? in a sense of to the best advantage for reproduction!!! after all isnt that the biological reason for the penis and the vagina, not for blow jobs hand jobs, not for eating out but purely for reproductive purposes!!
i dont mean to target anyone here or create a big almighty fight type thing, but its a bit thought provoking dont ya think!![/QUOTE]
Uh, Pheonix, just to point out ONCE AGAIN, there is NO correlation between being gay and bestiality.  It has nothing to do with it being "against nature"... it has to do with the ability to give consent and of being of a sound mind to do so."  

As for your question, Is it [homosexuality] natural?"  Absolutely.  While, of course, nature wishes to reproduce, there are other biological functions that are equally important that do not require heterosexual interaction.  ei.  the raising of young and care for the group.

*see my follow up to ThinkingOfLife.

i mean, wow, im even reading back through my old posts and its giving me heartache. i was such an idiot. i feel bad for being like that to you guys...sorry again.

hey guys, i love you all...i just want to say that i was going through some serious stuff with christianity...which was why i was coming off so heated(i was wrong to)...i would like to now take the time to apologize. im really sorry for being heated and an asshole. just alot of shit, you know what i mean? well anyway about the animal stuff i am just curious. when you guys talk about them not being able to consent....now dont get me wrong im not trying to justify(as i now know is a mistake to try to MAKE people accept my ideas, i guess i was just soo heated at the heated people that came first but that was a friggen year ago) but what i want is your impression of this idea. lets say, for sheer convenience, that we had a girl who is mute(she cant speak) and she lost her hands in an accident or is born without them(she cant write). with your logic it seems to state that she would never be able to consent and would always be raped if she had intercourse. is this to say she cant have sex? i dont know im just stating that body language is a big deal, and in trying to interperet the possibility that an animal isnt being raped is a desired thing. i mean, you guys dont realize how bad you can make someone feel in your response, just as i was possibly making someone feel bad(if i was i was in the wrong). being in the minority brings some people to suicide, and that is all because of the way the majority talks to the minority. i know you guys dont think so, but i really do want to come off as loving. everthing i do is for love and happiness, i wish ill will on no one. but i am a human, i do make mistakes(obviously if you read any earlier post). but i want you guys to seriously try and come up with someway that the mute handless girl could have sexual relations with out it being rape. again im not tryin to prove you guys wrong i was just curious...agian sorry for the guy i was a year ago. i love you all.

I kno lady, it's really disgusting.

-Mariah

Girl, people like that are mentally ill, im sure they will try any exscuse they can..

I was actually watching some documentary on it, and this guy was like "I kno the animal's feelings, I kno that it is consenting. And I always let the animal make the first move." I was like WTF?!?!?! DOES THE ANIMAL GIVE YOU THE BEDROOM EYES AND RIP YOUR CLOTHES OFF OR WHAT?!?!

gosh...

-Mariah

I just think Ewwww.

I was once actually talking to a guy online a while back, getting to know him etc.. We talked about our pets (cuz I have several and at the time had two big dogs - my golden retriever and choc lab) and he actually asked if I would ever be willing to "do" anything with them. I was aghast! I told him they are like my children. I raised them from tiny pups and when I brought them home I vowed to do everything in my power to take care of them, feed them, get their shots, etc. So then he said he had a friend who would love to do it with my golden if I would let her. I blocked him. And sat there just filled with horror at the thought that someone could be like that!

I know there are people out there like that and I think they should be brought up on animal abuse charges. The animal cannot and does not say "yeah, let's do it!" So it's wrong, plain and simple. Taking advantage of an innocent. And anyone saying that the dog humps or whatever because of instinct can't really use that either. I'm sure you can get a young boy erect against his will, still doesn't mean you should be doing it. You have to be the adult and use the big old brain God gave you and be the smart one! geeze!

[QUOTE=Quote (Bigone666 @ Mar. 27 2005,09:48)]Thus far what I have witnesses here is a bunch of people who are homo-phobic, hetero-phobic, trans-phobic, and any other host of phobias existent. The reason in expressing this is due to the fact of their viewpoints relative to bestiality. The acceptance of this form of sexuality is entirely based on the inter-social norm. Currently, our society accepts heterosexuality, homosexuality, trans-sexuality and a few others; however, the acceptance of bestiality is not yet the accepted norm. Perhaps one future day it will be… is not society ever so slowly becoming more accepting of pedophiles in the sense that they are not now completely just shut away and shunned by society… no, now the norm is not necessarily acceptance but one of compassion in the sense that these offending individuals are suffering from some type of trauma from their own childhood that is propelling them forward in the types of deviant behavior they are exhibiting. What is to be said of the games played and lived out within the society of Sadomasochism, Bondage, Torture, Self and mutual-mutilation and the list goes on… if you don’t see it then you are not offended by it… simply the issue is… you see it now… just as was homosexuality… it was shunned and thought deeply perverse but now it has world-wide acceptance and support. Do you not see the psychosocial patterns emerging?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Quote (Jaybee @ Mar. 27 2005,14:37)]I see what he's saying.  Peado's have a burning urge to have sex with kids, no different to gays wanting to have sex with other guys, or guys wanting to have sex with nubile young women.[/QUOTE]

I strongly object to the comparison of bestiality and pedophilia with homosexuality.   There is NO comparison.

Homosexuality involves two consenting partners doing nothing that harms anyone.   The other two do not.   Bestiality and pedophilia, both, involve partners unable to give consent.  And pedophilia can have horrible psychological consequences on its victims.

Please don't try to use people's prejudice against homosexuality to justify deviations that can be harmful.

Beastiality is disgusting in my opinion. It is one of those things that you wonder....WHY?!?!?!

-Mariah

Oh my.. such hostility. The one problem I see with anyone disliking christians for being judgmental, it's that to do so, one must also judge, therefore becoming just as judgemental. Religion only brings out the fundamental flaws humanity tries to hide, and we're all guilty of that.. being human.

With that said.. on to the question.

What anyone else does is their business but I'm sorry.. goats, horses, cats, pigs, dogs, llamas, whatever.. they just don't do it for me. That's just getting yourself off in it's most basest context, I don't care what kind of spin you want to put on your reasoning.

Thinking of life... EVERYTHING YOU SAY i beieve... ALTHOUGH i would never do beastiality ... and it isnt against my RELIGION cause i dont have one... But as far as i know ... These people havent REALLY TRIED beastiality and arent willing to .. so to act as if they know nothing about it and you do is a little close minded... I didnt read much just that your an asshole... AND THE BABY thing was a GOOD example but the example is a BABY DOESNT KNOW BETTER just like a DOG!!! so abusing WOULD BE THE RIGHT ANSWER...

No-ones mentioned the guy at the abbatoir who used to put his cock into the mouths of the sucky little calves yet..dairymen know about that one and dont talk about it.
Men..you are turned on by anything and everything. If it sucks, you stick your cock into it..vacuums included.
Oh, no-one's mentioned the tale of the lady and the Rottweiler yet lately! If it fits, we ladies too may insert it.
To finalise, go to area52.com and check the pairings to read about Teal'c letting Jack insert some nice warm sperm into the symbiote's mouth! You guys..you'll squirt it anywhere you can..the only limit is your imagination.

[QUOTE=Quote (Alspals69 @ Mar. 27 2005,13:53)]I don't think for one instant, that pedophiles are more acceptable to society than before. I am baffled as to why you may think this. Get caught doing this kinda thing in england and you are not safe anywhere. If you end up in jail you are not safe there either. I don't think you will find much compassion.

Recently inengland, two girls were killed - the victims of a pedophile. Even the prdophiles girlfriend has had to change her identity.

Do i recall hearing of something called "Judy's Law" in america?

I can see that historians, doctors, sociologists and psychologists may have professionally detached viewpoints... but society? No.

It is one thing to recognise the causes of many of the problems in our society, but is entirely a different thing to then suggest that being the victim of such problems is acceptable. As long as we empathise with the victims, as long as there are parents, the social norm will be abhorance of pedophiles.[/QUOTE]
I see what he's saying. Peado's have a burning urge to have sex with kids, no different to gays wanting to have sex with other guys, or guys wanting to have sex with nubile young women.

I don't berate his URGE. I DO ask, however, that he remember that the target of a paedo's libido - children - are under majority age and we do not consider them capable of consent.

Nor do I...but I do recognise this is how they get off, as did Huntly on Holly and Jessica.

I have a 3 yr old niece. Some bastard ever raped her, and that would be that..he'd lose his functions first, and I'd ask questions later.

I have to concede, even as a loving uncle, that paedophilia IS a fetish - although an abhorrent one.

Jaybee.

I don't think for one instant, that pedophiles are more acceptable to society than before. I am baffled as to why you may think this. Get caught doing this kinda thing in england and you are not safe anywhere. If you end up in jail you are not safe there either. I don't think you will find much compassion.

Recently inengland, two girls were killed - the victims of a pedophile. Even the prdophiles girlfriend has had to change her identity.

Do i recall hearing of something called "Judy's Law" in america?

I can see that historians, doctors, sociologists and psychologists may have professionally detached viewpoints... but society? No.

It is one thing to recognise the causes of many of the problems in our society, but is entirely a different thing to then suggest that being the victim of such problems is acceptable. As long as we empathise with the victims, as long as there are parents, the social norm will be abhorance of pedophiles.

[QUOTE=Quote (Alspals69 @ Mar. 21 2005,16:02)]I'm a humble civil servant... though probably not for much longer as I am hoping for volutary redundancy to come my way.

How about you?[/QUOTE]
SNAP!!

I think I'll be leaving after Easter. Must leave it there for tonight however, I'm fighting a losing battle with my eyelids.

Jaybee.

[QUOTE=Quote (Alspals69 @ Mar. 21 2005,15:43)]Its a sunny place on the east coast called Grimsby (Lincolnshire). It's better than it sounds!!

People from rural Lincolnshire are often found talking about sheep... I'm a town boy myself before anyone asks why i am posting on a bestiality board!![/QUOTE]
I know of it.  I'm a Londoner, the furthest north I've been is Redcar. I've also been to Sheffield; home to some STUNNING women, I must say.

What racket are you in, if I may ask?

Jaybee.

I'm a humble civil servant... though probably not for much longer as I am hoping for volutary redundancy to come my way.

How about you?

Its a sunny place on the east coast called Grimsby (Lincolnshire). It's better than it sounds!!

People from rural Lincolnshire are often found talking about sheep... I'm a town boy myself before anyone asks why i am posting on a bestiality board!!

[QUOTE=Quote (Alspals69 @ Mar. 21 2005,14:31)]Thank you Jaybee!! You can be my star witness.

And that was another very english word.... "mate". It's a great lads phrase.[/QUOTE]
Anytime geez. Whereabouts in Blighty are you?

Thank you Jaybee!! You can be my star witness.

And that was another very english word.... "mate". It's a great lads phrase.

TY MM yw

TTFN

SWALK

RSVP

On a serious note...

This is clearly an emotive subject. As some pretty strong oppinions have already been expressed I can't imagine anyone will be admitting anything they have been getting up to with their beloved goldfish (well it was blowing me kisses your worship) or parrot (oh my, yes you are pretty).

Confidential surveys such as the Kinsey report a significant percentage admited bestiality in one form or another. I suspect it s not something that gets discussed over the breakfast table too often.

On a less serious note, did anyone see "Everything you ever wanted to know about sex but were afraid to ask?" The scene with Gene Wilder? That was so funny!!

I can't believe a stayed serious for an entire paragraph. My therapy must be working.

[QUOTE=Quote (Alspals69 @ Mar. 21 2005,14:06)]I used to be into flagelation, necrophilia and bestiality.

In the end i had to give it up because i was flogging a dead horse.

(just in case this phrase is not used in america please see the link blow before you have me thrown in elevenworth!!)

idiom:floggin a dead horse[/QUOTE]

Al mate, as a fellow Brit, I can confirm the phrase has made it's way across the Atlantic, but is not nearly as widely used.

Jaybee.

I used to be into flagelation, necrophilia and bestiality.

In the end i had to give it up because i was flogging a dead horse.

(just in case this phrase is not used in america please see the link blow before you have me thrown in elevenworth!!)

idiom:floggin a dead horse

fetish. an interesting way to look at it.
I can remember many of my male dogs trying to hump me. The first time it happened I was just a kid and I thought my best pal was just giving me a hug. LOL!
then I was told differently and thought, "wow, my pal loves me. LOL... It made me want to study animal behavior later in life. LOL

well, I find beastiality something I consider not appropriate for the dignity of the human spirit.
as such it is nothing I want to explore.

Well I don't really see the difference between a woman letting a dog pleasure her and a man inserted himself into an animal. Either way it's a sexual act with an animal. Because a dog is licking a woman or supposedly "eating her out" doesn't mean it's sexual for them. I mean a dog licks it's own ass for god's sake. Dogs obviously don't care what they're licking.

As it's been stated the only creatures that get pleasure out of sex are humans and dophins. All these other animals are not getting pleasure out of what their owners are doing to them. You're not "doing them a favor" by letting them insert themselves inside you. If you're so hell bent on getting your dog laid then get another dog.

I find it one thing to have a dog hump your leg.
I find it another to bend over and train the dog to come hump you in a certain spot.
I also find it another to go hump your dog or cat or whatever.

On a certain level anyone can understand and sympathize with knowing how a dog feels when they hump your leg as most people have felt the urge to "pounce anything that moves" just because you're that damn horny.

But, you can easily push that dog off. You can easily tell it no and give it a spanking to not do that again.
While on the other hand, when you do it to him/her you are restraining it and not "letting it go", so even if it wanted to get away and tell you "no" that way, it couldn't.

And that's my 2 little cents.

Well, here's my analysis.

Bestiality is NOT a perversion, but a fetish.  And what is a fetish?  Something that you feel an inexplicable urge for, and are in a tiny minority within society that does. I believe most humans have a fetish for something, be it leather, Cindy Crawford, doing it in public, etc, and most don't know it.  I also believe fetishes are genetic.  And yes, at the risk of opening up a some VERY contentious debate, I include paedophilia in that list too.

The flipside of that is that, by the same token, there is something that disgusts each individual, but not society as a whole; rather like a phobia, except it's not about fear, but repulsion. I know, we are NOT talking about repulsion per se in this thread, but let me tell you why I feel the need to talk about this flipside; I myself have admitted be feeling sexual aversion toward women of oriental features - and I take this opportunity again to reiterate that I AM IN NO OTHER WAY prejudiced towards them.  It is genetic; I have absolutely no other explanation as to why I do not find even the sexiest of oriental women arousing in any way.

By the above logic, I class bestialists (I'm sure there's another word) in the same category.  These are simply people whose innate attraction to animals is so powerful, that, if the opportunity for release presents itself, they will take that opportunity, both men and women.

Now, Example Time; a woman being eaten out by a dog, or even more potent, being taken by one; yes, I find it gross, but I do so at an EMOTIONAL level.  At the reasoning level, however, I understand that she could stop it at any time, and he wouldn't have a hard-on if he didn't want to do it.  Therefore, they are both consenting creatures, and both derive pleasure from the act.

I DO have a problem at the reasoning level with guys who force themselves on animals; because a bitch can't talk, so she cannot communicate whether his assault was welcome.  I use this term because I once had a German Sheperd, a female one.  We absolutely loved each other, but being a dog, she didn't understand the platonic nature of (most) human-animal relationships; on many occasions in heat, she would leap up on my leg and make a humping motion.

I truly pitied her; I KNEW what she wanted, but of course I wouldn't fulfil her needs.  I only wished at the time (and now, as she's dead) that I could have magiced up a big, strapping male Alsatian for her relief.  In dog society, there is no rule, apparently, that sex with humans is immoral.  So from that standpoint, I take some comfort that the sense of violation among canines who have been subjected to sex with humans is nowhere near as acute as it is among human females who can scream, "No".

Jaybee.

im gonna go out on a limb here... i think peopel who do this should be locked away. serious.. they are SICK and mentally ill. its JUST like takeing the innocence froma child.. THEY DONT UNDERSTAND what is going on.. and you can't prove they get enjoyment out of it because they cum, that means nothing in the animal world. just means BABIES. im looking at my dog right now.. i have a rottie.. and i cant IMAGINE some sick bastard touching himin that kind of way or FORCING or TRAINING him.. to do somehting some sicko wants him to do. Hes such an innocent tit..smart, but innocent.. he acts like a 3 year old human child. I dont think there is anyway that it can be justified as RIGHT... so either way "right" or WRONG.. it can't be justified, no one can say its either.. but if i owned this world, i'd be exicuteing those who did it. YA.. i dont care if you people think thats extreme.. but... to me "animals" are more important than the animal HUMAN.. cause human just likes to mess thingsup... its obvious in how our world is going but..
BAd as this sounds, i wish nothing but harmupon those who harm animals or children.. and if i got my hands on them im sure i'd end up in jail from murdering them. Yeah sounds extreme and dramatic but thats how i feel about it. They dont have a voice, why should we abuse that? like taht sicko on the thread said.."they can't tell anyone" or some damn thing.. what the hell man? thats saying your just abusing that they have a warm hole because you can't get any.. and OH they wont tell someone that you ABUSED them.. because they dont HAVE A VOICE! gesus..
Innocent? animals are innocent, yeah even the ones that attack humans.. its their nature.. and for you to say "to screw animals other than human species is our nature too" your a wing nutt. Animals do things on SURVIVAL.

AGain.. my closeing statement, i think people who do this.. should be shot.. exicuted, whatever.. just wiped off the planet. and the animals they have abused i think they should go to big farms and get cookies all the time...and have kids around to play catch.. and all that stuff, so maybe they might have a happier life.. because they still deal with the trama.. if you thinkt ehy dont your an idiot.. i've seen dogs that have been abused..and they stillwill run if you raise your hand to get something.. you think it doesnt affect them FOR the REST of their life? like it would a child? obviously you dontknow animals.. or have any.. and if you do.. i wish the gov't would take them from you, you sick bastards dont deserve them.. they are too special for that.. and those who Beat animals and children deserve the same..
just sick
thats what you are is sick..

ps.. i realise.. harsh.. whatever.. lol its one of the onlythings i feel that strongly about.. so i hope you guys.. understand that.
Jamie

Well I personally can't see how anyone can view an animal sexually. I get uncomfortable when I happen to be sleeping naked and my dog jumps up in the bed with me. And as far as consent unless the animal communicates to you a "Yes. I want you to have sex with me" then I consider it rape. And you can argue that they aren't saying "no" but unless you hear them say "yes" then it's still rape to me.

[QUOTE=Quote (mommabear8702 @ June 30 2004,12:55)]The only way I think beastiality would be ok is if the animal looked at you and said yes. Until the day that this type of sex can be consentual between 2 .....um...species then it is totally wrong.[/QUOTE]
I see the overwelming majority are against this because we are thinking that we are forcing ourselves on the animals. I just want to throw this out. We leaned about this after we had a problem with a male dog.

My neighbor's 120lb. Lab jump his wife on multiple occassions when she walked around naked. The husband insisted the dog wasnt doing it and was just jumping on her. After a heated debate on the subject they decide to find out just what the dog would do. Befor she got into the shower that night they let the dog in the room and sure enough he jumped on her. Instead of pushing him off she went down on all fours and the dog actually got it into her before her husband pulled him off. Argument settled, dog banned from bedroom!

So we learned this from our neighbor after our 10lb small male dog would constantly try to lick my g/f's pussy whenever she sunbathed naked by our pool. I tried to yell at him once and he actually got aggressive towards me. We brought this up to our vet since the dog became very aggresive when we tried to stop him and the vet said that sometimes a male dog will claim a woman as his bitch. Over dinner we were telling this to our neighbors and they told us about their problem.

Now we have another male dog who couldn't give a shit if my g/f is naked or not. So sometimes it is not the humans, but the dogs who attempt this. I have since learned through the rumor mill that there are some women who do allow their dogs to please them this way.

As far as the rest who who have sex with the dog. I'll agree with the everyone else here. If your doing it to them it is wrong, but I am not sure what to think of the other way around.

I'm sure it can be arranged ...

Oh, as well as mike

Gee, a really intense fight and nobody is blaming me for starting or encouraging it!!!

How the heck did this happen?

LOL

shit ThinkingofLife, you really just PROVED just how much attention you crave = a self centred prick.  You're reputation on this board has dropped significantly - you poor thing.  And no, i didn't go and ask everyone, it only takes common sense to realise it.  You've just gotta have the last say in, dont you? Prove us wrong otherwise...go on, i dare you.

As for it being your fantasy - apologies for not getting it correct.  Don't dwell on it either - you should be satisfied i even apologised to such a rude, inconsiderate poster.  Key word = poster, not person because as you said i dont know you.  I hope this has covered my previous posts, also.

Ok, for the rest of it - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you crack me up big time.  Sorry if your words were meant to bring me down, but they just made me laugh straight away!! As for showing my ignorance by saying "i bet you haven't told anyone" - HAHAHA, that's just even funnier.  i must be ignorant for betting on black rather than red on the roulette table, too, if that's how you wanna look at it.  This thread is worthless? Than piss off already and stop craving the attention you negatively receive!!

The one thing i praise you on is that you're not ashamed of who you are - congratulations. That's all that matters.

ohhhhhhhhh seriously, i'm still laughing at how much you've gotten your knickers in a knot - i think this board is too unhealthy for you now, best leave before your blood pressure rises beyond your fantasies....

hahahaha ok for real now that was my last post

haha oh wait, that couldnt have been my last post, cause the last post i did saying that was my last post, was in fact my last post, so i was wrong haha. ok for real this is my last post...PEACE

HAHAHAHA i just reported myself to the moderator. maybe he'll kick me off. HAHAHAHAH ISNT THAT FUNNY EVERYONE. HAHAHAHAH....hah...he..mmmmmmm.

posting guidlines: A reminder - relevant explicit language is acceptable, crudity & profanity are not.

You have been reported.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH good. im glad     

[QUOTE=Quote ]oh and tessie. you said you spent more time researching it than you ever thought you would. i am very pleased. i have accomplished something. hear me out for a minute. i got you to take an issue in life and delve alittle deeper into to figure out your opinion. and the further you go the better a person you are. the more well rounded and thought provoked person you are. regardless of whether you accept my views or not. you still thought about it. a topic involved in this world and life that you probably wouldnt have spent so much time thinking about otherwise. now you can give your opinoin with just a little bit more strength.[/QUOTE]

I just need to clarify that I never went researching this to better understand this perversion that you seem to think is OK. I went looking for a better way of speaking out against it then just saying "Ewwww thats gross."

But like Demonbuttercup I mainly found sites that support this behavior. The only thing that clearly defines it as wrong have to do with morality. I knew that would be rejected from you and that is fine.

There are many things in this world that are beyond my comprehension and this is just one of them. I feel like my brain needs to be washed from some of the images it has seen.

[QUOTE=Quote (Tessie @ Aug. 05 2004,09:39)]But like Demonbuttercup I mainly found sites that support this behavior. The only thing that clearly defines it as wrong have to do with morality. I knew that would be rejected from you and that is fine.

There are many things in this world that are beyond my comprehension and this is just one of them. I feel like my brain needs to be washed from some of the images it has seen.[/QUOTE]
yeah i know what you mean.
i was looking for actual facts like is it true about the human/dolphin thing.
do animals feel any pleasure? etc.
and like i said before, i didn't find anything educational, just pornographic.

look bewitching, you dont know me and yet you make all these presumptions about me. you say im not right in the head and yet you have no clue as to who i am. ok like two of you people compared to the rest of the world is going against it. like that makes you right. you make claims like your by far the mass majority of thinkers, how do you know. you make alot of ignorant assumptions. so tell me who is the asshole here. and yes i have told the people that i have been with and they didnt seem to mind. but i havent ever actually had sex with an animal, its all just been in fantasy(although someday, who knows) so you making assumptions about me putting my dick up a dogs ass only makes you look more ignorant and proves my point about you. you know almost your whole goddamned post can be sent right back to you. you think you have the answers? you think im the messed up one but you have no clue. and its not my way or the highway, i just didnt want the people in this thread to be so f***ing ignorant. you know how it goes ignorant people are trapped within their ignorant mind and live an ignorant life. hey if that works for you so be it. but you trash another human being for their way of life. your the asshole here. not me. i mean its two against one on this thread. that doesnt make you guys right when it comes to life. so f*** you. it seems to me that your acting like a pretty big f***ing knowitall too. and shit you bring back in your posts makes it seem like you dont even read or consider what i write. you just keep writing the same vomit over and over again. but oh well its just a thread with a few, out of the billions, people. ignorance is ignorance. i guess its harder to help than i thought. guess i wasted my time. oh and tess bitch. you keep defending yourself about the research like you i wasnt right about what i wrote. i said EVEN IF YOU STILL RETAIN YOUR OWN f***ing OPINION than you are stronger. so admit it i made you a better person. if you can even stand that thought. haha. and bewitching you say you bet i havent told people about it, well that just shows your ignorance. because as much as this will get under goddamned skin, IM NOT ASHAMED OF WHO I AM. i am more proud to be me than you guys. more mentally healthy too.i mean it just shows your ignorance by automatically assuming im not right in the head because i am into that stuff. you havent a clue of what makes someone right in the head. yeah ill keep believing im right as will you. it goes both ways moron. and if you dont accept my apology. fine. i dont give a f*** about a nothing like you. hell HndLkAMouse is really the only sensible person posting on this thread. peace mother fuckers. this is the last time i will post on a worthless thread like this.

well, like tessie ive been trying to do my research but its very difficult. lol
everytime you do a google search on animal orgasms or animal sexuality all you get is porn sites. nothing in the way of educational. that zooskool page is the only one that is half-way non porn lol.
still you can't just go by what one website tells you.

Thanks HEAPS for the pm i received (you know who you are   )

holy shit, have i been missing out.  

first of all:

Unfortunately, Tessie, i believe the sites that have been dedicated to such behaviour have been designed by those who believe in the behaviour (again, unfortunately) and to tell you the truth, i also believe that anybody who is "normal" so to speak (you know what i'm talking about) wouldn't even want to waste their time dedicating it to something that they've never even been interested in.  That's just my opinion.  I know many, many people who would just never think of acting in beastiality out of the blue, whether the participant be them or somebody else.

ThinkingofLife - i dont even know where to begin - something is just not right...like yourself.  As we've all stated, and Demonbuttercup did just to refresh your memory, humans & dolphins are the only ones who have sex for pleasure.  So why hump something that gets no pleasure out of it??  What joy do they get??  Oh, i suppose they told you that, too.  You seem extremely self-centred and only care about yourself, and have the attitude "it's my way or the highway" - NEWSFLASH you're not always right, you may think you are, but you're not.  And when i said the thing about "adam & eve" - i didn't mean it in the sense you thought i did, i was referring more to what LittleFury stated about having sex with different species - i should have probably classified it a bit more.  i know now for the future.

HUMANS = HAVING SEX WITH HUMANS.  
DOGS = HAVING SEX WITH DOGS (WITHOUT YOU INVOLVED)
ANNNND AS STATED IN NUMEROUS WAYS:  how often do you see an elephant screwing a sheep?  Do you see marmosets f***ing chimpanzees?  Why not? They're monkey's aren't they?? OH, THAT'S RIGHT they're a different SPECIES of monkey.  
What you say about having "the same" sex organs - PLEASE - it's called "reproduction" - without sex organs, there would be no reproduction.  And all YOU as a "person" require is an arsehole by the sounds of it - many animals have internal sex organs, too, but i bet you any money you'll find a hole to stick your brain into.

ThinkingofLife, it's obvious you're not quite right in the head...unfortunately you can't help that unless you want to have respect for other species, rather than yourself.  And by the sounds of it, you just dont care about anything/anyone else except yourself.  sad, sad way to live life.

So tell me - do you screw around with other women/men??  and when/if you do, do you tell them your penis has been up your dogs arse before hand???  I bet you bloody well haven't and i feel for those poor people that have encountered upon the disgrace you have put them in.

Just keep telling yourself its right - at least yourself can believe you if no1 else will.

As for your apology - for what it's worth.....*cough cough*

Ummm... I'm not going to draw a line in the sand and say whether it is right or wrong... I'll leave that for each of you to decide for yourself. I, for one, would not practice it, but don't condemn those that do.

Having said that... it seems like one person's responses here would indicate that they are all-for-it and see no problem with it. More power to ya... but you gotta let other people have their say too. (which you have).

Some things are just too-far over the boundaries for acceptance inside the majority - again, not saying it is WRONG... just difficult to find acceptance. You do what you want to do... as long as you're not hurting anyone or violating laws... do what you like.

Just to clarify I went researching to prove you wrong. Not because I wanted to know more about it. I was shocked to see how many sites are devoted to it and to be honest could find nothing outside of the moral issue that said why it is wrong.

I could address the other stuff you said to me but like you said I don't think this is the place to do that. Maybe in another thread on another day.

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