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My point exactly, dlb. When the fun turns into "work"...then it is time to stop and re-think one's options. This is precisely why I do NOT do all of that whips, macrame', and whatever ... too much like work.
Besides which all that whipping is hard on the wrist.
True, omost men have fantasies but are too timid to ask since they feel they will become "less of a man". Pure rot, of course but there it is.
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