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Part II--
What follows are copies from an existing and more recent thread that continues the discussion:

Originally Posted by The Perfect 69

Hello. I joined this sex education web-site to try to help a problem me and girlfriend are having.

We have been going out for 5 years this October. We are both absolute virgins. She has never even seen a guy naked before. I have seen a few women only in pictures. Over the long haul over these 5 years I have been struggling get somewhere with this girl by trying everything there is to try known to man. When we first started going out I tried to get strait sex from her for a while. She absolutely refused my attempts. I had endless talks with her about us both being clean from disease and there are many forms of birth control we could use. First I offered her the ability to buy birth control pills. I had the ability to buy them without embarrassment. Next I spent a while talking about condoms. I finally decided after about a year an a half that strait sex was out of the question. Next I opened her mind up to anal. I insisted to her that doing anal was not nearly as severe on virginity as sex. She insisted that her ass was also a virgin. I even spent time doing research and showing her facts and information about how some believe that the ass doesn't count. It depends on who you ask. Truthfully the ass doesn't pop the cherry and therefore technically it is not sex. She was not for it. I did know at the time that oral has nothing to do with virginity. So I tried for at least two years to talk her into oral of any kind. She said that sucking me off or me sucking her off was against being a 100% virgin. I took her to this website to try to show her that things like the 69 were possible for virgins to have a good time. I said “people who do that, and are virgins, are virgins that have fun.” She refused. I asked next about sucking her breasts or ass as a compromise. She refused to even do that. I should have mentioned earlier that when we are both horny we go into different rooms in the house or wherever, and jack off. As my final effort I asked if we could watch each other jack off to make it better. She still refused to be seen naked or see me naked. I am at a total loss. It has been 5 solid years of dating and we don't even have more that a few good French kisses. I wonder sometimes if I should drop this girl and move on but I love her and she loves me. The real problem is we are no way near ready to get married and I want something at least to do other than jack off by myself. Is there any advice anyone has for me about what to do with this?

Originally Posted by gorgeous_mistake

Why does she want to remain a 100% virgin?? Does she want to wait on marriage, based on what, religious values, parents, or just plain scared?

She has never been very clear on why. She does say that the perfect person waits till their married. She also talks about her virginity being very important to her. She grew up in a tight family where her parents both waited until they were married to do it. Her sister is the same as her.

Originally Posted by EvilEvilKitten

OMG - do not just drop her and move on - drop kick her and move on.

Why? Because she's putting "perfection" above your relationship. NOTHING IS EVER PERFECT and NO ONE IS EVER PERFECT. She is in for a very rude awakening.

And you have been a total wuss to let her get away with this. Apparently the only thing you haven't done is what you should have done - walk away and stay away. Women want men, not little toy lap dogs staying nicely to heel. Stop being her dog.

Your life, even if you did marry her, will be one long, long life of being denied because she's gotten so good at saying no and making you toe her line.

Walk away and go find someone who is NOT a virgin.

Originally Posted by sera300

So you wasted 5 years trying while making your desires clear? Hypothetically, for arguments sake you wait until you are married. Then she decides she does not like it or care for making love, then what? A sexless marriage? FYI: Some parents lie to their kids about their sexual endeavors since they feel they are imposing a "correct" image and really they are inhibiting a woman's sexuality to the point of being harmful. After 5 years, unless she is 7 years old does not "fly". She is better off suited with those men who believe in chastity. I would not continue this relationship since she is ignoring your wishes/wants/needs to protect something which holds no real value of a persons ethics, morals, or integrity. Virginity does not make a woman, its what is within her heart. If she is this set against sex or "looking" out of curiosity, I have to tell you there are some significant underlying issues. Sexuality is part of life, yes some choose to wait until marriage; however, she is pushing you for this or just cherishes upholding a very unappealing trait.

The handwriting is on the wall, or more accurately: she has painted a pretty good picture.

I agree with Sera. If she was interested in fooling around (necking, petting, and/or heavy petting) and limiting your sexual releases to foreplay then I'd recommend sticking it out until married. In this situation where she is not only a virgin after all these years but a person who shuns all romantically related advances, I believe has a problem, especially if she is not willing to talk about or discuss what is going on with her.

Wanting to wait to have intercourse and to make love as Part II of the wedding ceremony is a good thing. What worries us is that she does not want to make out and outwardly express and demonstrate the love she professes to share with you. It is this reservation that is troublesome and signals possible danger; this is the reason we suggest finding someone else. Back in the day when it was more usual than not to wait until the honeymoon to have intercourse, it was not unusual for couples in love to make out to some extent--up to the point of taking your clothes off or perhaps going further and stopping at foreplay. Couples "spooned" on the front porch swing, climbed up to the hayloft in the barn, went looking for "needles in a haystack" out behind the barn and finding other things of interest, took buggy rides--and decades later, found another use for the automobile, taking it to Inspiration Point overlooking the town. Let's not forget paying to go see a movie at the drive-in and not being able to remember much of the plot when queried the next day.

Time to move on.