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1st time - Foreplay

Hello.

This is my 1st time and I thought someone can give me some advice on the whats and what nots...

Me and my girl have been in a long steady relationship (2-3 years) and we would like to slowly take it to the next level. I have never done this before and she seems extremely shy. Unfortunately I still live with my parents and they don’t agree on this (im 18) so its hard getting past that.

I don’t wanne have sex with her right off but I just want to well show her my body and just go one small step at a time. I’m not sure what will put her off or "scare" her.

Previously I did allow her into my pants, that was semi interrupted by her mom. I want to show her how serious I am about her.

After talking I did realize that its fine with her to explore my body but it seems as if she is still frightened to let me see hers. (like all girls she thinks she is fat and ugly :P girls... *shakes head*) So it seems like it would only be a one sided thing for now...

ok, im a very confused person so my posts usually come out confused too. :P

So to sum up. Conclusion...
She is coming over to my house. My dad will be around. I just want to show her my body and let her 'explore' and do what she wants. She is shy and im not sure how to get things started. I’m not sure whats a girls desire to a guys body and because of her shyness she usually answers the "I don’t know". I know she would want this as I know her for over 2 years now. I just want to know exactly what she would want and in my circumstances exactly what we can do. Don’t want my dad barging in on us and being forced never to see her again. :P

I don’t know if this makes sense. Most of you might recommend that we wait or something (as for my parents) but its something I think we both ready for...

Thanks :)

I don't know what to tell you other then you need to talk about her inhibitions--why she is so shy about her body. The best [a long time ago] I recall is most of the exploration activities [of the other's body] began while kissing and touching the other over clothing which lead to undoing of clothing. If comfortable as bf/gf; each allows the other too see gradually.

Dont just strip and put her on the spot. Like sera stated take it in portions, fool around with kissing and massaging as you both work to losing pieces of clothing or slipping hands underneath them. Best spot in the beginning I'd say is a couch or sitting up some, kiss her softly and make her feel at ease with her emotions. Dont rush yourselves and enjoy the time and feelings. To her it is strongly about comfort with you as well as herself, she may have a bad image about her body but that is mainly from her being uneasy about exposing it to you. If she is relaxed and feels safe with you then she will give in to more of her emotions and let you explore as much as she does. Make sure she knows how much you care about her, and that you think she is truly beautiful, she needs to know it and feel it. Btw locked doors =p

Hmm... Ok. Ill give it a try. I see her in like 10 hours. Hehe... *stress stress*

I can't wait. Haven't seen her in a while. :) She is really great...

Anyway thanks for replies. Any more replies are welcome...

Laters

Btw... How should I approach this... After kissing and being in the perfect mood should I lead her in some Yay? Should I try stuff with her?

Sorry if I sound stupid. 1st time and it feels kinda scary but exciting. :P

Yea, there are a couple of paragraphs that I've devoted to knowing how far "I" can go and another on "Implied Consent". Please do your reading assignment.

How should you approach this??

By reading the various articles in the Index. There are several that deal with kissing and making out and the various stages of a love making session.

If she is inhibited and shy, you shouldn't expect much if any exploration of your body by her.

If you want to go one small step at a time, then you are on the right track. Read the articles in the Index!

Forget about doing much of anything with someone, Dad or other person, being around. Go someplace. Take the car and find some secluded place to park.

Showing her your body is not going to demonstrate to her your love or interest in her. What will? Attention, kissing and hugging and cuddling for a long time. You can do a lot of this (hours!) paying emotional attention to her and this will mean more than seeing your pecs, nipples, chest hair (if any) belly button, penis, etc.

[quote=Dark_Fire;208986]Btw... How should I approach this... After kissing and being in the perfect mood should I lead her in some Yay? Should I try stuff with her?

Sorry if I sound stupid. 1st time and it feels kinda scary but exciting. :P[/quote]
I guess I feel equally as stupid answering but it's sort of allowing your fingers to roam on her body while you are Kissing..what was referred to many years ago as "coping a feel". Allow your hands to roam across her chest & see her reaction. And she gets the same with you...sort of work your way up a guys leg to his thigh and slowly to his crotch.

If she pulls back or states No..then you are out of the limits. Rather your activities are off limits to her at this time.

[QUOTE=dancingdoc2;208994]Yea, there are a couple of paragraphs that I've devoted to knowing how far "I" can go and another on "Implied Consent". Please do your reading assignment.[/QUOTE]

Doc you crack me up! =p Tough part is I remember when I was that age and the last thing on my mind was wanting a reading assignment about how to be sexual. It helps enormously, but looking at all that txt can be a bit like, "umm wtf?" Bottomline for you Dark is you can read the threads to give you a full breakdown, but it comes down to you and her. You both are nervous and want to explore this, so do that... explore together and find out what you like. Reading through this stuff and what sera said is great basics for starting out. Communicate, even if you are scared make sure you respect each other and take it one step at a time. Also dont over-analyze, the more you worry about being perfect, the more you take away from the moment and how good it can be to enjoy the unknown. You both will learn together, now good luck and let us know how it goes.

Hmm yea. She's coming in a bit. Umm, lets see How it goes... Thanks guys. :)

Start by kissing and let things progress naturally as they will. Caress her while you're kissing, moving your hands over her body and slowly progressing to her breasts and inner thighs. Have a firm gentle touch. You can guide her hands to the areas you want her to "explore". Ask her if she's comfortable with what you are doing as you go along. If she seems taken aback by anything, take a step backwards and work up to the next step later. Tell her how sexy and beautiful she is whenever you get a chance to help build her self esteem. As long as she doesn't seem unhappy with it, try gently taking her top off for her. If she stops you, don't press her, but if she's shy she's probably not going to take off her clothes until you prompt her too. Especially if she thinks she's fat and ugly, and you don't tell her how much you want to see her topless/naked, she may think you aren't interested in her body. After 2 years, you have been more than respectful in not pressuring her. It's time to let her know that you want things to move further - if neither of you has enough confidence to take the initiative, it's never going to happen, even if you both want it to.

Another point - try to do stuff when your parents AREN'T around. There's no way you two can relax and really enjoy yourselves with your dad creeping around the house, especially if you're already pretty inhibited and shy. It's fine if you just plan to kiss and touch, but if taking off your shirt is a big deal for you guys, try it without others around. Get a hotel room, hang out outside of the house, or wait till your parents are out of town.

Hehe. Yea. My day didn't go as planned. But I was with her. All that mattered.

And thanks for that browneyedgirl... Might help allot. :)

And I won't pressure her for anything. But would be nice... I think. Dunno. :P

To be also, i don't think Im scared to the deed itself. Im more scared that I hurt her... I won't lie, I am a lil anxious. But I think Im ready.

Anyway, have an awesome week guys... Ill come check back every now and again...

First: it is "my girlfriend and I" not the other way around - always put the other person first. Thank you.

Now then: you NEED to study being erotic and subtle. You have the right idea, going slow and letting her explore your body, but you aren't quite ready to launch yet.

First step: hands. Place your hand palm down on the back of her hand and interlace your fingers. Keep them straight. You are not holding her hand. Then very slowly slide your fingers up and down along hers. Once you get a quiver or a sigh out of her, hold onto her fingers, turn her hand over (palm up) and very very gently, and with dry lips, caress the inside of her wrist and slide very slowly and lightly down her hand to her fingertips.

Second step: face. Do not kiss so much as caress her lips with your won, keeping your tongue to yourself. Then slowly go from kissing her lips to tracing her jawline back to her ear, very lightly, with dry lips, and very lightly. Then move up to the outer corner of her eye and with just the smallest bit of moisture from the tip of your tongue, kiss right there very lightly.

The fastest way to introduce 'exploration' is for you to show that nuance, eroticism and subtlety is not foreign to you. Not only does she want to know she can trust you, she also wants to know that once she is in your arms, you know what to do with her. The above signal to women that, yes, he knows!

Please note that all of these take place without removing any clothing and they do not require strict privacy.

[QUOTE=EvilEvilKitten;209321]Second step: face. Do not kiss so much as caress her lips with your won, keeping your tongue to yourself. Then slowly go from kissing her lips to tracing her jawline back to her ear, very lightly, with dry lips, and very lightly.[/QUOTE]

Just making sure... Tracing means kissing her jawline till her ear... Hehe. :)

Sorry Im new to this forum. :) dunno all the terms.

And I never really been much of a strong guy. Im a very 'feminine' soft and caring guy. And not having done this before Im not sure if I know What I want to do with her... Does this change anything?

No.

Just take charge and do as suggested. You can do this whether you are the soft caring type of personality or the macho man. Taking charge does not mean being bossy or exerting your will, just leading the way. Be her guide. Your confidence will increase as will her confidence and trust as you gain experience by moving in small stages that also build familiarity and comfort.

You do not have to go never having done more than a few pecks on the cheek to foreplay or intercourse all in one sitting so to speak. Take a few weeks and work up to all this in stages. Read what I have to say about Implied Consent and Boundaries in one of the articles listed in the Index. (I'm not going to tell you where it is because the two of you really need to do a lot of reading and learning and this will come by reading and putting into practice the ideas and suggestions from among several of the articles that Brandye, EEK, and I have made available to everyone.

Find somewhere to be alone, first and foremost. If a drive into the country is not practical where you live, then as someone suggested, get an inexpensive motel room. If you can find one close to a movie theater and good restaurant, so much the better. Oh, and don't think that motel rooms are only rented at night!, you can rent them during the day, also. That said, you do not have to spend the night, you only want the space for a few hours just to have some privacy. You do not have to turn the key into the office when you are leaving and giving up the room, just leave the key on the desk or night stand and shut the door when you are done.

Once again, do not think that by baring your chest and other areas of your body will necessarily endear her to you or demonstrate how much you care for her. Show her your concern by asking about her day, having understanding for her problems or concerns, making her the focus of your attention. Do this in part by being a good listener, by learning to talk and communicate with each other in general. The rest will come and it will come in steps of ever increasing boldness founded on previous levels of comfort and exploration and all susceptible to mutual desire.

Motel rooms send the WRONG message!

Sorry, but that is NOT a good idea in this case. Just go for a walk through the park and do the little things I have suggested to you.

Yup! I totally agree. I did not offer this recommendation because often parks (those that I am familiar with) do not have any secluded areas, they are just big green belts with perhaps a few picnic tables and swings, etc.

How about bike trails? Now, I've been on a few of these and they often have areas where you can find some seclusion just off the path.

How's this for creativity? Several years ago, when I was dating my wife, we took a drive around Lake Tahoe and stopped at a beach. The weather was nice, there were a few people around, so what we did was spread a beach towel on the sand, cuddled on it, then tossed another one over us--completely covering us. We had privacy yet no doubt others around us knew what must be going on, not just what..... No sex, just lots of heavy petting. Having bathing suits on made this particularly alluring and easy.

Ok well... A few things to keep in mind thou...

Im 18.
I don't have a car/licence yet.
Im doing matric this year. Grade 12.
And I live in south africa. Taking walks in the park you'll only get sex forced upon you with a guy sticking a gun up your nose. And Im too young to get raped. Or to see my girl get raped...
We live quite a bit apart so between school and distance we don't see each other allot. We mostly IM and try to imagine ourselves next to each other. Hehe.
She is also my 1st girl. My parents don't agree with me having a relationship with her because of racial issues. And her parents are scared coz she was in an abusive relationship 3 years back. Don't wanne give out all our details. Already feels like Im betraying her posting on this forum. Hehe. Just wanne make her happy...

I really love her. Allot. And seeing that Im still dependant on my parents for school and studies, the fact that they see her only as my friend makes it hard...

Kinda sux when its your 1st relationship I guess... But I try. Least I get to see her. :)

But thanks for all your help... And as you guys said listen and understand... Well... I actually understand girls. Don't see whats the fuss. But she makes me not understand. When I ask for detail she just says I won't understand and leaves. But mostly I understand and I always listen. I mean we been together 2 years. :) just wish I could be more open about our relationship.

Anyway. Thanks again...

Dark Fire these details are all relevent and should have been included in your first post. But they still do not invalidate the techniques I told you to use. Remember, you both stay fully clothed and strict privacy is not needed if you're subtle enough. Go sit on the porch with her.

EEK sums this up very nicely.

> I don’t wanne have sex with her right off but I just want to well show her my body and just go one small step at a time. I’m not sure what will put her off or "scare" her.

Show her your mind. Discover her's. Doing this will establish intimacy and this is what will endear you to her first and foremost. Kiss, cuddle, talk, and while you're at it, fool around a bit with clothes on. All of these activities will establish a very firm foundation for your relationship. The rest will happen in due course.

Sigh. Thanks but never mind. Looks like she wants to split. I dunno whats going on thou but yea.

I wasn't online today till tonight. Got killed for it because I put matric before her. Why can't she understand matric is important and that Im online as much as I can?

Got 20 miss calls from her. Phone was on silent and I was so busy I didn't bother looking.

She said if Im not there for her she can't handle it and then its better if we split. I know Im only 18 and I know I currently spend a lil less attention on her. But wow. How much does she need. Friday we talked for about 4 hours while I was supposed to do work. Sat we talked for most the day. And now I get killed because my phone was on silent.

Is this normal for a girl to get like this? Do you guys need any other info? Am I doing something wrong? Should I honestly screw up matric so we can be together? Im confused...

Sorry. This must sound stupid. 1st ask about sex and now trying to get her to stay...

And what bothers me is I won't be able to support her. I don't care if she hates me or what ever. But she sounded sad and I just wish I could hug her. :(

Please feel free to ask anything just help me see what I did wrong... Evin if I can only be her friend again and support her and help her... Make her happy...make sure she's ok...

Thanks.

What's matric? A game? Did you have plans with her? I can see if you were supposed to go out and you blew her off but you are not at her beckoning call.

OK - time for lesson #2:

Young females are insecure and they manifest this by a need for constant reassurance and communication - hence all of that time on the phone.

What to do about it:

DON'T play her game. If you make dates, keep them but you do not have to spend hours on the phone with her every day. Why? Because there comes a time when SHE has to 'step up' and show 1. she trusts you and 2. that she's growing up.

Yes I know you want to protect and support her - that's the Galahad Complex but, you have to curb that. Such protection and support belongs to your spouse and kids alone. Given your situation, you need a brave, strong and fearless woman with brains and an independent spirit. She doesn't seem to match those qualities, hun.

Keep looking!

Matric is grade 12. Final year of school.

And... Yea. To be honest I don't wanne be around her anymore. I still love her but its like I had too much of her. I just wanne be alone. But today after I told her please lets just slow things off phone and IM. I got 3 sms's asking to come online. I ignored then. Went online once for 10 or 15 min. But yea. She can't go one day without me. And yea I agree its great to be together but I hate chatting on IM's. They so fake and distant. And sometimes you wanne do things that doesn't require works. Like just cuddle for a tv show or something then she will be angry coz I don't talk. But you get to a point where one can't talk anymore. You already know everything.

She kinda did break up with me. I dunno whats what yet. Sounds very weird. So will see. She still loves me and I love her. And yea... Dunno.

Thanks anyway. You guys been a great help.

By the way. What do you call the final year of school. Gr12. St10. Matric. Thats what we call it...

its senior year

Senior year! Well, you should not be tied up w/someone! I thought you were playing some on-line game. I can see the IMs are boring, rather see someone in person. So let her go and date others when ready--no commitments!

Matric sounds so much cooler. You can't argue about that. :P
We boerkies rock. Hehe.

Just wish South Africa was a safer place. I don't wanne leave. But being a white guy it seems there's also no work for me anymore. Just dunno where to go...

O well. We have to hope for the best...

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