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Old 11-27-2004, 12:56 AM
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For the guys posting above I'd mention some things for them in their support. *I somehow think that there is a percentage of the male population which will for whatever reason wind up
being virgins to a later age than most of their peers. *I was.

There are many reasons it happens but for what ever they are
it's interesting to take a look at what is happening for the guys and girls from around 9 years of age or about grade 4 in school when kids begin to break out of being little kids and realize that that there other kids and begin to prepare to socialize with them and build their social skills.(which will set to tone for their lifetimes)

With the girls you have to remember a factor referred to as the *"biological time clock" which has some thinking she will need to be married and having the children that will comprise
her family before she's 25 or so, such that her kids are mature adults before she enters menopause.(around 46+) *What mom wants crazy teens when she's going thru menopause? *So, the girls will be socialized earlier than the guys. Girls will be taught about being grown-ups earlier as their menstral cycle will start for them to mark the beginning of their fertility...thus another reason early knowledge of social skills is important. Guys notice this and don't understand it sometimes...especially guys who are only kids or from families of all boys. *Often they don't understand how the girls their age get off dating guys *who are several years older...and experience feelings of being cheated, inferiority, jealousy, and at least confusion.

Girls will be taught social skills, learn to dance, dress as women, attend womens functions when boys are still playing
and being given what they will recieve in terms of male skills
which they will use for the rest of their lives. *Helping change oil in the car, rotate tires, change sparkplugs, paint on the house, do some roofing, electrical work, electronic work, computer repair and maintenance, and a buch of other things which kinda keep them away from the girls so they don't get one in trouble.

This all works well for the parents in a perfect world, but still some teens discover sex from older kids and try it. *Casualties ensue early on with single moms and families which move to other states taking their boys with them. *Some moms are
by their boys like prison guards and all but brain wash them about girls to the extent that they sort of become institutionalized like lifers in prison and just hide themselves away from everything to please mom and dad. *Many learn to build cars, computers, boats, or get into sports and hang out with their buddies far too long. *Most of these guys will have stories about some girls who acted interested in them for awhile but drifted off.

Unfortunately these guys sort of spoil their mom's and dads who would enjoy this trend realizing life will be a snap for them
with no problems out of JR. *Many of these same moms will act like no girl is good enough for her little boy. *It is said that
if there is marital trouble between a man and his wife with a mother'n'law...9 times out of 10 it will be from the guys mom.

So then, *what's a guy to do? *Call himself lazy, not handsome, a committed bachelor? *What if he feels lonely and
deep inside isn't happy with where he has drifted in life's flow.
He realizes mom is so happy he is single but he isn't? *When he brings a girlfriend around mom acts pleased but as soon as she is gone mom strats picking her to pieces? *Mom may like the idea of you being seen with girls...but then quickly reels you in by her leash around your neck before you can hook up and have a girl friend. *Well, heads up JR. *Here's what I'll say to you.

You don't have to go to bars to find women or endure smoke filled rooms in public houses and dance halls. *Learning how to
let girls know you like what you see when you look their way, or when a girl walks up and smiles to say "HI" you know how to recognize what is happening and deal with it. *It's called
FLIRTING
. *It is easy to learn how to do as most of it is body language and knowing how to get over your fears and just smile and act nice to someone. *How to pay a complement sincerely. *How to invite someone to a more comofortable place in a busy room to chat a bit and get to know each other a little better to see if you have anything in common on the very most basic of terms. *This is where a second meeting....like for coffee...will be established. *It comes in small increments and ultimately builds a friendship.

If you would like to learn more about flirting, you public library probably has some books on the subject. *It is fun, easy, and you'll wonder why you didn't learn more about it earlier. *Sure you have heard the word "Flirting", but do you know that much about it? *An author named Susan Rabin has several books available for real life flirting or even chatrooms where you can practice and learn to charm girls and not speak in
anti social language which rubs people the wrong way all to often. *Learn not to be rejective first and regret it later. *Girls who do this too much often hear themselves called a "PRINCESS" when she's a teen, and in her twenties a "SPINSTER". Guys often hear people referr to them as Mr. Pittiful or Old Bachelor.

This is just about being charming enough to be approachable or to approach someone else and see if you can be friends to start with, then build from there. *Sure you will get rejected some...but it's a numbers game....soon or or later your number is going to hit....and that's all it takes. *Don't let getting rejected hurt your feelings or ruin your life...just think....NEXT! and move on to another girl you find interesting.
(and not just for her physical features)

Guys who are truly uncomfortable with their plight will be the ones to change their ways first. Other guys may tire of dating their hand, or visiting hookers who only want their money and secretly think they are loosers.(many hookers are either druggies or lesbians who resort to it for quick money to pay rent etc, or buy drinks for the girls at the bars they are interested in). Anytime is a good time to climb out of the rut and better than never.

I'll mention these books which may be in your public library:

How to attract anyone anytime anyplace; the smart guide to flirting by Susan Rabin.

Susan Rabin/Amazon.com

Dale Carnagie's all time best seller * *How to win friends and influance people

Dale Carnagie/Amazon.com

I'll mention Dr Herb Goldberg for the guys and women who love them: *Hazards of being male...surviving the myth of
masculine privilege(click the customer reviews link to the right
on the page the link below takes you to...you gotta read the reviews of this book)

Dr Herb Goldberg/Amazon.com

If you visit the links you can click on the book link and read samples from the books or read reviews by people who have read the books so you will have a better idea what it is about.
Most guys would do well to have these books hid with their porn collection and "READ" the damn things. *Learn some stuff so you won't still be wanking off every time when you're 30. *It isn't about what you look like when you're a guy....so much as it is for girls. *For guys it is more about how attractive girls find you for what's inside, and these two books will help with that more than you know. Have you seen the movie Shrek? *This is just a start, but every thing begins with a start...even loosing ones virginity. *And nobody plans to fail at that....they just fail to plan for it !

Ps....and learn to stand up straight, smile, and act like the lights are on and someone is at home.(ask yourself, that in your present condition....if you were a girl would you flirt with the guy YOU are in your present condition? Or even jump in the sack with you? *Now, what would it take for you to change that? Check the library for copies of those books and you have a good start)

eDJ



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